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The Pub at MMORPG.COM  » 'The market has spoken very loudly that [F2P] is the model they like'

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  Loktofeit

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OP  4/03/13 11:16:25 AM#1

Title is quote from an EA exec on the free to play model.

 

Full article: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-02-ea-mobile-boss-freemium-haters-a-vocal-minority

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fovoroth

  Vesavius

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4/03/13 11:21:12 AM#2
Originally posted by Loktofeit

Title is quote from an EA exec on the free to play model.

 

Full article: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-02-ea-mobile-boss-freemium-haters-a-vocal-minority

 

Please amend your title to something like; "Nick Earl says market has spoken in favor of free-to-play, no premium mobile games"

As it stands it gives the impression that he is talking about MMORPGs.

But, have to say, what EA say or think has zero zilch value to me.

 

  BeansnBread

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4/03/13 11:23:26 AM#3
I like how he used the phrase "all-you-can-eat" to describe the more traditional B2P model. It makes people that prefer that style of payment sound like they have a massive plate of food with barbeque sauce all over their face, gorging themselves with as much content as they can consume.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  expresso

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4/03/13 11:24:28 AM#4

He never spoke to me?!  I disagree F2P just breeds the 'Oliver complex' "Please sir i want some more" and by more I mean paid day-1 DLC, P2W and microtransactions.

F2P has it's place in some genres but I hope it don't creep into the top end MMO's.

  Battlerock

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4/03/13 11:25:03 AM#5
I hate it I prefer buy to play or sub.
  bcbully

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4/03/13 11:27:59 AM#6

Sub is just fine.

 

B2P is evil. Anything with a 60$ upfront fee is evil. 

 

Free is to intrusive.

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  Warley

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4/03/13 11:33:49 AM#7

"There's a vocal contingent of gamers online who don't appreciate free-to-play business models, but their complaints are being drowned out by customers speaking with their wallets..." - Nick Earl

Don't you find it ironic that both 'free-to-play' and 'speaking with their wallets' are both used in the same sentence; especially when you consider that 'speaking with their wallets' suggests people are buying here.  So, basically, people are buying free-to-play games. Honestly, 'free-to-play' is a marketing term that does not accurately describe these games.  Here's a few that describe these games better:

- Demo, With the Option to Buy More Content

- Partial Game With Endless Developer Hands Dipping Into Your Pockets For Money

- Free To Download, Expensive To Get The Whole Game

- Whale Hunting

- Endless Nickel & Diming For Complete Experience

- Half The Value At Double Or More The Price of Premium Games

I remember when companies first started the whole 'free-to-play' is the future. Not many people actually wanted it. However, once they did (or rather, once the younger 'entitlement' crowd came)  you started seeing the trolling increase; the immaturity of gamers increase; and the general decline of gaming. Suddenly, planting crops in a game that asked you to spam your friends every 10 seconds or sign-up for this or that credit card became popular.

FACT: There are very few 'true' free-to-play games -if any- that are not partial games in comparison to premium games. There are no exceptions. League of Legends? (which actually is a very well done 'free-to-play' game) Nope. You have to unlock heroes with money.  You don't get them all so you don't have the full game. The same even goes for freemium games such as LoTRO. Sure, you can earn stuff through in-game means, but you cannot unlock the entire game without a subscription.

 

  Vesavius

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4/03/13 11:38:13 AM#8
Originally posted by bcbully

Sub is just fine.

 

B2P is evil. Anything with a 60$ upfront fee is evil. 

 

Free is to intrusive.

 

I agree with all this BC.

Free client, 1-2 week full access trial, then sub (with no cash shop) is my ideal.

  Warley

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4/03/13 11:40:12 AM#9
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by bcbully

Sub is just fine.

 

B2P is evil. Anything with a 60$ upfront fee is evil. 

 

Free is to intrusive.

 

I agree with all this BC.

Free client, 1-2 week full access trial, then sub (with no cash shop) is my ideal.

If EA had done that with SWTOR people wouldn't need a subscription. They'd be done with the game after two weeks.

And, yes, I prefer that as well. Unfortunately, the 'majority' (which consists of mainly people that are going to play for free without spending a dime anyways) says otherwise. 

People don't realize that EA is misrepresenting numbers here.

  RefMinor

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4/03/13 11:40:47 AM#10
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by bcbully

Sub is just fine.

 

B2P is evil. Anything with a 60$ upfront fee is evil. 

 

Free is to intrusive.

 

I agree with all this BC.

Free client, 1-2 week full access trial, then sub (with no cash shop) is my ideal.

+1

  Yamota

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"I fight so you don't have to."

4/03/13 11:43:28 AM#11
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Loktofeit

Title is quote from an EA exec on the free to play model.

 

Full article: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-02-ea-mobile-boss-freemium-haters-a-vocal-minority

 

Please amend your title to something like; "Nick Earl says market has spoken in favor of free-to-play, no premium mobile games"

As it stands it gives the impression that he is talking about MMORPGs.

But, have to say, what EA say or think has zero zilch value to me.

 

Exactly. What that corporate maggot says means nothing to me.

  Aelious

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4/03/13 11:43:42 AM#12
^ Agreed
  User Deleted
4/03/13 11:43:55 AM#13
I prefer sub / b2p purely for the reason there is an upfront investment to discourage people from cheating.  Otherwise with F2P they just make a new account and go right back to cheating again.  Especially with shooters.
  Aelious

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4/03/13 11:44:34 AM#14
Bah! Agreed to the model above Yamota. You're too quick Yamota!! :)
  VengeSunsoar

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4/03/13 11:45:56 AM#15
Originally posted by expresso

He never spoke to me?!  I disagree F2P just breeds the 'Oliver complex' "Please sir i want some more" and by more I mean paid day-1 DLC, P2W and microtransactions.

F2P has it's place in some genres but I hope it don't creep into the top end MMO's.

"Hope it doesn't creep into the top end MMO's"

It's allready here.  Every MMO on the market has a cs of some kind.  There are very very very few MMO's left that do not have multiple levels of models, f2p, or subscription left. 

Hmm which top end MMO's other than WoW have no other methods of paying other than sub?

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Vesavius

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Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

4/03/13 11:46:08 AM#16
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Loktofeit

Title is quote from an EA exec on the free to play model.

 

Full article: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-02-ea-mobile-boss-freemium-haters-a-vocal-minority

Please amend your title to something like; "Nick Earl says market has spoken in favor of free-to-play, no premium mobile games"

As it stands it gives the impression that he is talking about MMORPGs.

But, have to say, what EA say or think has zero zilch value to me.

Exactly. What that corporate maggot says means nothing to me.

 

I think it says something when the F2P campaigners have to use quotes from someone like EA to support their point... and EA and their shareholders liking a revenue model is meant to be encouraging to me how? ;)

  Warley

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4/03/13 11:46:56 AM#17
Originally posted by Loktofeit

Title is quote from an EA exec on the free to play model.

 Full article: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-02-ea-mobile-boss-freemium-haters-a-vocal-minority

The numbers are being misrepresented here. It can be simplified and understood this way:

Game A (Premium):

10,000 people who bought it

Game B (Free-To-Play):

50,000 people play it

5,000 people pay for the nickel & dime scheme (10% conversation, VERY VERY HIGH)

Of course, 50,000 is a bigger number than 10,000 so -for marketing/pr purposes- you twist this around.

Now, Game B may make more money than Game A, but that's because Game B 'whales' have to PAY FAR MORE MONEY to get the same experience as Game A. Therefore, in the end, to get the same experience as those in Game A the 'whales' in Game B have to pay a HIGHER PREMIUM.

 

 

 

  Gravarg

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4/03/13 11:47:59 AM#18
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Loktofeit

Title is quote from an EA exec on the free to play model.

 

Full article: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-02-ea-mobile-boss-freemium-haters-a-vocal-minority

Please amend your title to something like; "Nick Earl says market has spoken in favor of free-to-play, no premium mobile games"

As it stands it gives the impression that he is talking about MMORPGs.

But, have to say, what EA say or think has zero zilch value to me.

Exactly. What that corporate maggot says means nothing to me.

 

I think it says something when the F2P campaigners have to use quotes from someone like EA to support their point... and EA and their shareholders liking a revenue model is meant to be encouraging to me how? ;)

QFT

  theAsna

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4/03/13 11:48:07 AM#19
Originally posted by Warley

...  You don't get them all so you don't have the full game. The same even goes for freemium games such as LoTRO. Sure, you can earn stuff through in-game means, but you cannot unlock the entire game without a subscription.

 

I wonder if this is a substainable business model in the long run. Just consider your freemium example (LOTRO). A smart player can unlock most of the game by a combination of paying to unlock content and earning Turbine points to unlock content as well. The bottom line is that you might spend significantly less money than with a sub. With those options a sub becomes the company's unloved foster child.

On the other hand the company will be forced to add more and more features that are not related to the gameplay. Instead it's intended to tempt (gullible?) players to spend more. Just take the "Daily Dice" feature from LOTRO's sibling DDO.

 

  Yamota

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"I fight so you don't have to."

4/03/13 11:48:26 AM#20
Originally posted by Aelious
Bah! Agreed to the model above Yamota. You're too quick Yamota!! :)

Early bird catches the worm. Quite fitting phrase for this case ;)

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