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  Sheanix

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OP  4/01/13 11:55:35 PM#1

I'm curious about the term they use when talking about importing the game to North America. The term "westerize".

 

Im basically curious as to what it is meant when they say "westernize" a game. A lot of the complaints about western games recently is the about how they are all so similar and a lot of hype has already been generated around this game based on what players have seen (which is the game "un-westernized")

Is a "westernized" game just a matter of translation? Or will they be changing things that may change the views of potential buyers?

  BeansnBread

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4/02/13 12:00:49 AM#2

Probably mostly translation and the UI. Even though there is a substantial difference between the way western and eastern audiences view things, I doubt they are going to change the structure of the game significantly.

 

It already works and is a game. If it ain't broke, don't fix it and all that nonsense.

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  rojoArcueid

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4/02/13 12:03:10 AM#3
westernize can be good and bad. Good because it while it still a grindfest it doesnt feel as heavy as an eastern mmo. And bad because its dumbed down to fit the majority of the western audience. And the company wants lots of money so... yeah.

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  Sheanix

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OP  4/02/13 12:13:46 AM#4

Fair enough. I guess we'll just have to see what changes are made. I do hope they go the "if it isn't broke, don't fix it route". Last thing the MMO world needs is an incredible looking game being reduced to the status quo of what the standard MMO is today. 

 

Fingers crossed..

  Scalpless

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4/02/13 12:20:49 AM#5

They're unlikely to do any significant changes, because that would make updating the Western version more difficult. It'll most likely be just some numeric changes here and there, like increased drop rates of Loot X, better rewards for Activity Y, etc.

Could include some censorship, too, but AA doesn't seem to have any half-naked 10 years olds.

  Hedeon

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4/02/13 12:42:26 AM#6

they have already said they would be making changes to the game, though not talked specifics and claimed the changes they were going to make for the game, wouldnt just be for the western version, but for the korean version as well.

but will see what will happen, no matter how small  changes there is implemented in a game, there will be someone who feel like it is a game changer,  that always happen eventually no matter if it were trion, XLgames or any other publisher.

  aRtFuLThinG

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4/02/13 12:48:28 AM#7
Westernizing = allowing profanity and include a profanity filter for the kids.
  GrayGhost79

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4/02/13 12:54:42 AM#8
Originally posted by Sheanix

I'm curious about the term they use when talking about importing the game to North America. The term "westerize".

 

Im basically curious as to what it is meant when they say "westernize" a game. A lot of the complaints about western games recently is the about how they are all so similar and a lot of hype has already been generated around this game based on what players have seen (which is the game "un-westernized")

Is a "westernized" game just a matter of translation? Or will they be changing things that may change the views of potential buyers?

Sadly in the past "Westernized" has meant a lot of things. One of the things it has meant rather often is turning the game into a quest heavy game. I hate this with a passion. A lot of eastern games are basically mob grinders, to westernize them they take the mob grind and convert it into quest hubs which of course kills the game for many. 

 

Then you have the standard stuff. Censorship, Translations, Business Model, etc. 

  TribeofOne

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4/02/13 1:00:28 AM#9

i do hope they "westernize" the Ui some.. I hate asian style uis.. i sometimes think there is ONLY 1 asian mmo UI and they incorparate it into to everygame they make. Horrible chat systems, no /ignore feature, pop ups, banners  2 dozen little flashing buttons around the minimap..etc

 

ugh

 

  Sheanix

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OP  4/02/13 1:33:07 AM#10

From the sounds of it, there is legitimacy in my concern for the "westernization" of this game. It seems to be a pretty broad concept, from fixing the little things to changing the focus of the game. 

 

I still think they should be very limited in the changes they make.. it has generated a ton of hype the way it is now and it would be very risky to change too much. 

 

 

  coretex666

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4/02/13 2:22:47 AM#11
Originally posted by Scalpless

They're unlikely to do any significant changes, because that would make updating the Western version more difficult. It'll most likely be just some numeric changes here and there, like increased drop rates of Loot X, better rewards for Activity Y, etc.

Could include some censorship, too, but AA doesn't seem to have any half-naked 10 years olds.

I would consider it a terrible idea to play with rates.

However, I do believe that the masses would appreciate increased rates, so it is definitely possible they will do it.

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  JimmyYO

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4/02/13 2:27:52 AM#12
Whatever happened to just making a solid game? Making the game a themepark and a yearlong grindfest are both equally offensive.
  Sheanix

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OP  4/02/13 3:11:19 AM#13

I agree. Having the best of both worlds would be nice but is highly unlikely. Endless grinding gets tiresome, and questing central games pretty much set every player down the same line distracting from other aspects of the game.

 

Personally,  from what I've seen anyways, I wouldn't mind seeing it shipped as is in english.

  CyclopsSlayer

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4/02/13 10:55:11 AM#14

The only confirmed change announced so far Trion will be making, is adding some more 'Western' facial options in the char creator.

Beyond that, who knows...

  Sheanix

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OP  4/02/13 11:19:35 AM#15
Originally posted by CyclopsSlayer

The only confirmed change announced so far Trion will be making, is adding some more 'Western' facial options in the char creator.

Beyond that, who knows...

Okay, visual and decorative things are okay. I wonder how the conversations go when discussing things of that nature..

 

"Okay, so.. we'd like to make the characters look... less... mmm.... asian..."

  Siveria

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4/02/13 11:21:56 AM#16
Westernizing the game usually ends up making it crap, they should just leave it how it is, as someone said in the thread "If it ain't broken don't try to fix it" because when they try to fix something that isin't broken they usually end up screwing it up.

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  Siveria

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4/02/13 11:23:37 AM#17
Originally posted by Sheanix
Originally posted by CyclopsSlayer

The only confirmed change announced so far Trion will be making, is adding some more 'Western' facial options in the char creator.

Beyond that, who knows...

Okay, visual and decorative things are okay. I wonder how the conversations go when discussing things of that nature..

 

"Okay, so.. we'd like to make the characters look... less... mmm.... asian..."

Good goddess no, they do that and we'll end up with the generic muscle-bound moron male chars US devs are so fond of. Why not just add the faces insted of removing/replacing them.

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A. Proven right (if something bad happens)

or

B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)

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  Karteli

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4/02/13 11:26:06 AM#18

There was this bit from a recent Q&A

 

http://www.mmoculture.com/2013/03/archeage-interview-with-trion-worlds-for-upcoming-epic-title/

In this interview, I will be looking to ask Trion Worlds some brief questions, such as why choose ArcheAge, the possible challenges and how the company is going to ramp up its services for this MMORPG epic.


Q: Are there plans to “change” any part of ArcheAge’s content during localization? Or is “westernization” a more appropriate word to use?


A: There’s a lot of conversation going on between Trion and XLGAMES on what makes sense to change. We don’t want to change the essence of the game, but we definitely want to give the Western audiences a game that is more … well .. Western

We’ve found out that XLGAMES had many of the same thoughts as us, so many of the changes will be game wide, not just for the West. We are also working with XLGAMES on some Western-specific changes, such as character creation options, which our players are expecting.

 

They say they aren't changing the essence of the game, which is a big plus.

 

 

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  Murugan

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4/02/13 11:28:01 AM#19

Having regionalized versions of a game just seems to me like a terrible idea, whatever "weesternize" in this case means it means a different game from the original.

 

Especially for sub markets (like the western market is for ArcheAge) it is a huge disadvantage.  I personally don't see why they can't run the same version of the game with multiple language options.  This works for Final Fantasy's online games.

 

The end result is going to be poor support/updating, and a group of developers trying to "adapt" something "foreign", look at TERA/Aion for how well this works out for the "west"...

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  Sovrath

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4/02/13 11:29:16 AM#20
Originally posted by Sheanix

I'm curious about the term they use when talking about importing the game to North America. The term "westerize".

 

Im basically curious as to what it is meant when they say "westernize" a game. A lot of the complaints about western games recently is the about how they are all so similar and a lot of hype has already been generated around this game based on what players have seen (which is the game "un-westernized")

Is a "westernized" game just a matter of translation? Or will they be changing things that may change the views of potential buyers?

It can depend.

One example that was given for Aion was a storyline that revolved around a son and a father. Might have been grandfather. It was explained that the deference for an elder wasn't quite as strong in Western cultures as it was in Eastern cultures. Because they didn't think Western audiences would feel the gravitas for the story, they changed it a bit.

My girlfriend who is of chinese heritage has told me that in chinese families, being the eldest, espcially as a son, has a greater importance. She also said that it's expected that the children, especially the oldest, have a duty to take care fo the parents, even if that meant paying their rent. Or something to that effect. So I can see them looking at cultural differences where there is story involved and realize that these detials might not resonate with western audiences.

Of course her family is mostly westernized but They still go to the cemetaries of their deceased elders and burn a dead chicken along  with fake money.

Yup. they do that.

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