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  uidCaustic

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4/01/13 8:35:28 PM#21
Originally posted by OgreRaper
I think it's a good thing. You know people who help fund a project are going to actually care about how it turns out, and give the best feedback and bug reporting. Rather than inviting random people who sign up for every alpha/beta test they can.

DAoC was ok I suppose.. not really... actually...  I bought my way in because I have disposible income and I was bored.

So, your theory is pretty much shot there.

  Oldskoo

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4/01/13 8:38:22 PM#22
Originally posted by TheHavok

Inevitably, somebody is going to spend a lot of money, maybe over a thousand, maybe a couple thousand.  They will be super pumped, following this game every year, every month, every week, maybe everday.  They will read all the news about the game, they will participate in discussion about its progress.  They will go to bed thinking about how fun the game will be.

Then they finally get to play the game and they are disappointed.  They can't believe it.  What happened?  Where was feature X?  Why was feature Y so bad?  Its okay.  Just give it time for things to improve.  This is only .  OMG its still not improving. WTF.  I SPENT SO MUCH MONEY ON THIS PIECE OF SHIT.

 

 

I'm going to feel bad for that dude.

Massive dissapontment comes in many different ways, often much more important than a game. I know people who spent years and tons of money on an education to  only to find out that career wasn't for them. I don't really feel bad for anyone if a game or a career doesn't meet their expectations. That's the way it goes. There's no guarantees in anything. Don't know why it should be assumed that way in a game.

 

It's true though, some people hype something up to such an extent that it can never meet expectations. That should be something to be weary of in the case of a game.

  osiriszoran

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4/01/13 8:38:25 PM#23

My main concern would be dropping cash and the game turns out looking like shadowbane graphics or any of these other mmos with garbage graphics that are pvp oriented. 

Why can't we get a game that looks like 2013 and not 2002?

  MC_LaggMaster

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4/01/13 8:38:47 PM#24

I think the old IT tier was better than the 180 dollar one.  Seems like they took out to much to try and make it not sell out.  Then gave it an item that you can only get from there to make sure it sells.

 

Also, no requirements for testing time has been posted that I have found.  This is something that needs to be posted before the KS starts.

 

  AdorianBlade

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4/01/13 8:39:06 PM#25
Originally posted by osiriszoran
Kickstart Vaporware or games that go straight to F2P. In anycase, what recent mmorpg without major funding has gone on to be epic? What have these Devs produced that shows they can make a quality MMORPG and support it? I truly want to know their qualifications before i shell out money for a product not due for 3 years.

DAOC and Vampire the Masqurade

  Corinthian-X

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4/01/13 8:40:34 PM#26
Originally posted by TheConsequent
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by OgreRaper
I think it's a good thing. You know People who help fund a project are going to actually care about how it turns out. Rather than inviting random people who sign up for every alpha/beta test they can.

So why not invite long time DAOC players to be testers of the new game in the same franchise?

Oh, that's right, money.

You get one DIGITAL COPY OF Camelot Unchained (all copies of Camelot Unchained come with at least a 1 month subscription)

+ OFFICIAL THANK YOU from all of us at CSE

+ REALM BUILDER HONOR

+ IN-GAME BADGE OF PIONEER

+ 5 FOUNDER’S POINTS for buyers of March On Oz (CSE Bonus Points)

+ 5 FOUNDER’S POINTS for backing this project

+ ACCESS TO THE FOUNDER’S EXCHANGE to redeem your Founder’s Points

+ “LIVING” DIGITAL MANUAL

+ SPECIAL IN-GAME TITLE

+ FOUNDER’S DEATH MARKER

+ BRONZE FORUM BADGE

 

 

 

and GUARANTEED ACCESS TO BETA 3.

 

Paying for beta? Hardly.

 

Glad someone gets it. Too bad the people that want to argue will just ignore your post.

  Hokibukisa

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OP  4/01/13 8:42:46 PM#27
Originally posted by TheHavok

Inevitably, somebody is going to spend a lot of money, maybe over a thousand, maybe a couple thousand.  They will be super pumped, following this game every year, every month, every week, maybe everday.  They will read all the news about the game, they will participate in discussion about its progress.  They will go to bed thinking about how fun the game will be.

Then they finally get to play the game and they are disappointed.  They can't believe it.  What happened?  Where was feature X?  Why was feature Y so bad?  Its okay.  Just give it time for things to improve.  This is only .  OMG its still not improving. WTF.  I SPENT SO MUCH MONEY ON THIS PIECE OF SHIT.

 

 

I'm going to feel bad for that dude.

This happens all the time now because companies treat betas like an early release, only showing it when its almost done.

So people think of betas as being almost finished now, because they've been conditioned to expect that.

 

Problem is, a real beta test usually isn't fun, unless you play with awesome people, then pretty much everything is fun.

Real betas are work. Maybe the not-so-qualified founders that choose to beta test should take a psych evaluation before being allowed in.

  observer

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First came pride, then envy.

4/01/13 8:43:13 PM#28
Anonymous testers will never be as efficient as paid professional ones, because they will never have to worry about getting fired.
  BeansnBread

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4/01/13 8:48:20 PM#29

I'm glad they're doing it. When the expectations aren't met because of the state of the game in BETA and the miniscule dev team, there will be plenty of heads exploding. And they'll use the fact that they blew $100+ on it to justify their outrage (actually, most will simply lie about how much they spent because it can be embarrassing for them). This way we might actually get to see valid criticism of the game before it comes out instead of just marketing department hype.

 

In my opinion, offering various BETA stages for increasing amounts of money won't get people to care about fixing the bugs more, it will embolden their egos and lead to serious criticism about how all these design decisions actually worked out once put into play.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

4/01/13 8:54:27 PM#30
Originally posted by colddog04

I'm glad they're doing it. When the expectations aren't met because of the state of the game in BETA and the miniscule dev team, there will be plenty of heads exploding. And they'll use the fact that they blew $100+ on it to justify their outrage (actually, most will simply lie about how much they spent because it can be embarrassing for them). This way we might actually get to see valid criticism of the game before it comes out instead of just marketing department hype.

 

In my opinion, offering various BETA stages for increasing amounts of money won't get people to care about fixing the bugs more, it will embolden their egos and lead to serious criticism about how all these design decisions actually worked out once put into play.

Yep, that's pretty much it.

It isn't a test, but rather the stage of marketing.  There is no accountability for kickstarted projects compared to publisher funded games.  If they just drew things on a whiteboard for several years before the money ran out, there'd be nothing these kickstarter people could do about it.

 

I've kickstarted projects before, but not games.  If your game isn't good enough to stand on its own and find funding, or you can't find a publisher who thinks letting your ideas be the only ones that get into the game, then your game isn't worth any amount of money for me to risk.

 

If the game gets released and is quality, I may buy it then.  I'm sure not going to pay their salary while testing their bugs though.

El Psy Congroo

  osiriszoran

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4/01/13 8:59:19 PM#31
Originally posted by AdorianBlade
Originally posted by osiriszoran
Kickstart Vaporware or games that go straight to F2P. In anycase, what recent mmorpg without major funding has gone on to be epic? What have these Devs produced that shows they can make a quality MMORPG and support it? I truly want to know their qualifications before i shell out money for a product not due for 3 years.

DAOC and Vampire the Masqurade

Recent as in the past 10 years. Also, DAoC had a billion problems with it. Have they learned from their mistakes? Because repeating mistakes seems to be a common theme amongst mmorpg devs.

  grogstorm

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If it ain't broke, dont fix it!

4/01/13 9:03:13 PM#32
Originally posted by OgreRaper
I think it's a good thing. You know people who help fund a project are going to actually care about how it turns out, and give the best feedback and bug reporting. Rather than inviting random people who sign up for every alpha/beta test they can.
Agree 100%  

Also, I see my role as a tester to not only find bugs but to help influence the games direction.  Like suggesting adaptations to the current build that would greatly improve a player’s experience. 

This way I can only blame myself it the product does not live up to expectations.

Grog

  ragz45

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4/01/13 9:06:05 PM#33
Lets be honest, you guys that are crying are only crying because you don't have the disposable income to spend $180 or more on a founders package.  I don't look at it as paying for alpha/beta, I look at it as putting my support (and money) behind a man whom I've been a fan of for years.  If i get a alpha/beta invite for doing so, then great!  If not, I will still support him.

  osiriszoran

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4/01/13 9:11:09 PM#34
Originally posted by ragz45
Lets be honest, you guys that are crying are only crying because you don't have the disposable income to spend $180 or more on a founders package.  I don't look at it as paying for alpha/beta, I look at it as putting my support (and money) behind a man whom I've been a fan of for years.  If i get a alpha/beta invite for doing so, then great!  If not, I will still support him.


with how much he and his cohorts are worth why are they not self financing like most entrepenuers do? You would think they would at least have some early screen shots up. Did they just come up with the idea for this game yesterday? lol. Sorry, 180 bucks is a lot for most people especially a product not gauranteed to be used for at least 3 years and not gauranteed to look like mortals online or Darkfall LOL. outdated graphics.

  BeansnBread

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4/01/13 9:11:42 PM#35
Originally posted by grogstorm
Originally posted by OgreRaper
I think it's a good thing. You know people who help fund a project are going to actually care about how it turns out, and give the best feedback and bug reporting. Rather than inviting random people who sign up for every alpha/beta test they can.
Agree 100%  

Also, I see my role as a tester to not only find bugs but to help influence the games direction.  Like suggesting adaptations to the current build that would greatly improve a player’s experience. 

This way I can only blame myself it the product does not live up to expectations.

You would really blame yourself after they took your money and used it to create something that didn't meet your expectations? I mean, maybe you should blame yourself for spending money on a product that doesn't exist. But blaming yourself for the execution? Sounds a little harsh considering you will have zero creative control.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  tank017

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4/01/13 9:11:58 PM#36
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by Hokibukisa

I guess if people are willing to pay for it, charge em. But damn, this kickstarter is focusing on it like its such a privilege to play an unfinished mmo.

 

Am cool with rewards tiers, I guess I'm just disgusted with how mmos and beta tests have turned out. Used to be something you'd want to invite experienced users to participate in and you would thank them for it. Now you sell it and the testers thank you for it.

 

Meh.

"If you pay us enough money, we'll let you find bugs for us!"

This is how MMO's have been since their inception pretty much..

 

If you invest in something you also enjoy,why not help make it the best it can be?

 

MMO's can never be called a 'finished product'

  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

4/01/13 9:12:09 PM#37
Originally posted by ragz45
Lets be honest, you guys that are crying are only crying because you don't have the disposable income to spend $180 or more on a founders package.  I don't look at it as paying for alpha/beta, I look at it as putting my support (and money) behind a man whom I've been a fan of for years.  If i get a alpha/beta invite for doing so, then great!  If not, I will still support him.

Sounds unreasonable.

 

In other words, if this game doesn't make it to launch because the funding runs out, you'll be happy to send him more support checks?

 

I prefer to support developers by purchasing the game they have released.  I don't need to send employees in a random company checks to show my "support".

 

it isn't that I don't have the money to buy the offers, but rather I have too much reasoning ability to throw away the money.  I'm glad you enjoy being a faceless supporter sending him his paycheck as a sign of your undying love for some man, but to me it just sounds very silly.

El Psy Congroo

  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

4/01/13 9:14:32 PM#38
Originally posted by tank017
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by Hokibukisa

I guess if people are willing to pay for it, charge em. But damn, this kickstarter is focusing on it like its such a privilege to play an unfinished mmo.

 

Am cool with rewards tiers, I guess I'm just disgusted with how mmos and beta tests have turned out. Used to be something you'd want to invite experienced users to participate in and you would thank them for it. Now you sell it and the testers thank you for it.

 

Meh.

"If you pay us enough money, we'll let you find bugs for us!"

This is how MMO's have been since their inception pretty much..

 

If you invest in something you also enjoy,why not help make it the best it can be?

 

MMO's can never be called a 'finished product'

They shouldn't be a broken project when released, either.

 

However, it is important to note that kickstarter is not investing.  There is no return on investment, but instead it is throwing away money for a variety of reasons at a level that will hopefully allow you to get some future reward (not guaranteed).

 

Publishers make it so game devs have accountability or else there are consequences.  Kickstarter allows game devs to have money and they could nap for years until the money runs out, no problem chumps.

El Psy Congroo

  User Deleted
4/01/13 9:18:54 PM#39
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by tank017
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by Hokibukisa

I guess if people are willing to pay for it, charge em. But damn, this kickstarter is focusing on it like its such a privilege to play an unfinished mmo.

 

Am cool with rewards tiers, I guess I'm just disgusted with how mmos and beta tests have turned out. Used to be something you'd want to invite experienced users to participate in and you would thank them for it. Now you sell it and the testers thank you for it.

 

Meh.

"If you pay us enough money, we'll let you find bugs for us!"

This is how MMO's have been since their inception pretty much..

 

If you invest in something you also enjoy,why not help make it the best it can be?

 

MMO's can never be called a 'finished product'

They shouldn't be a broken project when released, either.

 

However, it is important to note that kickstarter is not investing.  There is no return on investment, but instead it is throwing away money for a variety of reasons at a level that will hopefully allow you to get some future reward (not guaranteed).

 

Publishers make it so game devs have accountability or else there are consequences.  Kickstarter allows game devs to have money and they could nap for years until the money runs out, no problem chumps.

Are you sure you want to commit to this assertion? Really?

  tank017

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4/01/13 9:19:03 PM#40
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by tank017
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by Hokibukisa

I guess if people are willing to pay for it, charge em. But damn, this kickstarter is focusing on it like its such a privilege to play an unfinished mmo.

 

Am cool with rewards tiers, I guess I'm just disgusted with how mmos and beta tests have turned out. Used to be something you'd want to invite experienced users to participate in and you would thank them for it. Now you sell it and the testers thank you for it.

 

Meh.

"If you pay us enough money, we'll let you find bugs for us!"

This is how MMO's have been since their inception pretty much..

 

If you invest in something you also enjoy,why not help make it the best it can be?

 

MMO's can never be called a 'finished product'

They shouldn't be a broken project when released, either.

 

However, it is important to note that kickstarter is not investing.  There is no return on investment, but instead it is throwing away money for a variety of reasons at a level that will hopefully allow you to get some future reward (not guaranteed).

 

Publishers make it so game devs have accountability or else there are consequences.  Kickstarter allows game devs to have money and they could nap for years until the money runs out, no problem chumps.

I honestly dont know much about kickstarter and never took the time to read up on it,because I never liked the idea of it.If what you say about the money is true,then its ones own fault for throwing their money in .

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