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General Discussion  » Reasons YOU SHOULD NOT BUY Defiance

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  plescure

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3/30/13 4:33:42 PM#21

quite frankly there are not enough hours in the day for me to waste my time pointing out all of the errors and complete inaccuricies in your post OP. 

I can see that this is the first time you have posted on these forums. I think perhaps you should have done a little more research before you took that 1st step?

If someone is talking in general chat in a language you dont understand, chances are they're not talking to you. So chill out and stop bitching about it!

  VassagoMael

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3/30/13 4:33:50 PM#22
\o/ Number 6 = easy bans for hacking!

Free to play = content updates for the cash shop. Buy to play = content updates for the cash shop.
Subscription = Actual content updates!

  Loktofeit

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3/30/13 4:46:51 PM#23
I want to know who at Trion ran over the OP's puppy.

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  MadDemon64

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3/30/13 4:49:46 PM#24
Originally posted by azloki

There are plenty of reasons you should not buy Defiance. 

1. It is hackable, like all FPS games.

2. There are games better than Defiance but still failed due to hacking issue.

3.  Planetside 2 is a good example. It is free to to play in a much bigger open ended world made by SONY. 

4. However, Planetside 2 still failed because they cannot resolve the hacking problem.

5. If SONY, a much bigger company cannot make it, why do you think Trion can?

6. During the Beta period, there are already hackers around. The side mission boards showed their hacking records. They had achieved an unachieveable result. The #1 was like 500,000 points, the second and third had only 20K - 30K.

7. Planetside 2 survived barely half a year, and now for your $59.99 + tax, this is how much you can expect. Not to mention they wanna charge the season pass and stuff. For the same amount of money I would buy Guild Wars 2 and I can play it for at least 4-6 years. GW 1 was released in 2005.

8. Developer wise, Trion is not a successful company. Check out the other products like Rift, Warface, and End of Nations. This company doesnt have much a good past record and they dont make good products but aim for making good money.

9. For $59.99, if you wanna play FPS game, you can buy the most anticipated single player game Bio Shock infinite, which was relased this month 25th.

10. If you are a big fan of FPS game and dont wanna spend any money, go play Team Fortess 2, it was made by Value and the game is free to play and it is made by a more repectful company.

11. Add your reasons here, either postive or negative.

 

I hope you all made your own decision before purchasing the game. They are all my advice and are subject to personal opinion. 

 

1.  All MMOs are hackable.  All video games in general are hackable.  Get over it.

2.  Defiance isn't even out yet, so your statement that something is "better" than Defiance is pretty much null and void.  And again, every game, including MMOs is hackable, so why should Defiance be any different/why should people not play it because it can be hacked?

3/4.  Last I heard Planetside 2 is a great game that is still going strong, or are you comparing its success to the sucess of games like TF2?  That's like saying Guild Wars 2 failed because it isn't as popular as World of Warcraft.

5.  Because Trion is focused 100% on computer gaming and Sony is not?

6.  Again:  Every game can be hacked.  Get over it.

7.  Again, Planetside 2 failing is news to me (news flash, it isn't, or at least nowhere near as bad as you claim it is).

8.  From what I heard, those games are actually supposd to be decent or good, especially Rift.

9.  If you want to play a SINGLE PLAYER FPS game, get Bioshock Infinite.  If you want to play a multiplayer FPS that does what no other FPS have ever done and make it tied into a hypded-and-suppoed-to-be-good upcoming TV show where events in oen affect the other and vice versa (for everyone wanting a unique experience, this is truly unique), buy Defiance.  Or play TF2 or Planetside 2.

10.  A more respectful company that has yet to deliver on long promised Half Life 3 ("more respectful" is subjective and doesn't equate to better, or should I mention the highly respectful company Bioware's gaffes in the Mass Effect 3 ending and SW:TOR?)

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  strangiato2112

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3/30/13 4:59:19 PM#25
Originally posted by Raserei

@OP, this is ultra opinionated.

 

Your calling Trion a bad company? Ar you being serious? They USED TO update Rift more than Blizzard updates WoW. Rift is an amazing game TO THE LESS THAN 200K THAT PLAY IT. 

 

Had to fix that for you.

Not saying the OP isnt over the top, but its now almost 5 months after SL's release (and 4 months after the mass layoffs)   and Rift is still waiting for its first big content patch.  Theyve had a raid added that was just delayed from SL launch and the third tier of PAs that were first seen on the PTR March....2012.  

Yes, the game is still p2p.  It certainly has less subs than games like LOTRO and SWTOR did when they went f2p though.  Trion just prefers to keep it p2p, most other developers would have bit the bullet (this is a big positive to Trion IMO that they have resisted the urge).

  GrayGhost79

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3/30/13 5:10:35 PM#26

1) Trion is actually a good developer. Rift is one of the few sub based games holding its own. Not sure how you find the opposite true but Rift has done well and that is a fact. 

2) Cheating in Defiance I don't see as much of an issue. This isn't like a lot of other shooters. Are you worried about people using aim bots when assisted aiming is already in the game? Wallhacks when the PvP side of things is based around taking objectives that are clearly displayed for all to see? The game design itself actually makes many of the typical cheats pointless and useless. When someone is popping in and out of stealth aim botting becomes a lot harder to do, when someone is moving at turbo speeds again a lot of these cheats become useless. Then you have to take into account that this game is PvE centric making much of the common cheats/hacks pointless. 

3) As far as better games, frankly put there aren't any other games like Defiance. It's an MMOTPS that focuses on PvE and missions, has "dynamic events", ties into a TV show, has a scifi setting, vehicles, etc. The closest thing out there is FE and even that isn't close enough to be considered in the same sub genre as Defiance. Sure, there are probably better games out there depending on each individuals prefferences but, there aren't any other games out there like Defiance. Its a PvE MMOTPS thats a bit of a freeform themepark. Show me another?

4) Bioshock isn't an MMO, no idea why you would throw that out there. Thats like saying "Why play any MMO's when there are better done single player games" the answer is the same, they aren't MMO's. Would TESO be as hyped as it is if people didn't care about the MMO side of these games? Its a shadow of Morrowwind, Oblivion, and Skyrim... yet it's still hyped to all hell and back simply because it is an MMO. 

 

You are trying to convince people not to buy Defiance without stating any reason at all that pertains to Defiance. The core game design does a better job of dealing with hacks and cheats than anti cheat attempts from seasoned FPS developers. Trion is actually regarded by most as a good developer, they aren't greedy, have proven to be capable of delivering quality products, good flow with updates and content, decent at balancing, etc. 

 

In the end there are actually a good number of reasons not to buy Defiance, at least not off the bat. The OP however hasn't listed anything relevant. 

 

Reasons to Wait on Defiance

 

1) UI - The PC UI is awful. It is awkward, clunky, and simply awful. Most of those that have played are hoping this gets fixed and we have been asking for it to be fixed for awhile. 

2) PC FOV - The low Field of View in Defiance has caused a number of players headaches and nausea this happens with a lot of games believe it or not. Generally only FPS and close TPS games though. Players have been asking for this to be fixed as well. 

3) Lack of Banks - Theres nothing like a bank system in Defiance. You get a lot of drops and they are always in your inventory so you have to sale/break down things. This is a bit of an issue for horders or people wanting to save things for alts. 

4) Camera - The camera is off. For me my character was to far to the left, but beyond that aiming is off as well and I believe it may because of the off center character. It's not bad while scoping, but when firing from the hip the aiming is off and the closer you are the worse it is. 

5) VOIP - The in game VOIP is awful. It is always on by default, there is no push to talk option and the sound quality is just terrible. 

 

Until these issues are fixed (Which they likely will be by launch or shortly after) I would advise you not to get Defiance if you aren't already sold on it. 

 

For me, I got the game already. I liked it despite the actual issues and found it to be fun. There are actual reason to wait though, the OP obviously hasn't played and knows nothing about the game though since none of these were listed and the only reasons he managed to list simply A) Weren't true and or B) Had nothing to do with Defiance. 

  poefue

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3/30/13 5:15:29 PM#27
Haters gonna hate, players gonna play.  At least I will not be seeing this guy while I am enjoying Defiance.
  Squeak69

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Joined: 1/21/13
Posts: 972

cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

3/30/13 5:19:21 PM#28
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Raserei

@OP, this is ultra opinionated.

 

Your calling Trion a bad company? Ar you being serious? They USED TO update Rift more than Blizzard updates WoW. Rift is an amazing game TO THE LESS THAN 200K THAT PLAY IT. 

 

Had to fix that for you.

Not saying the OP isnt over the top, but its now almost 5 months after SL's release (and 4 months after the mass layoffs)   and Rift is still waiting for its first big content patch.  Theyve had a raid added that was just delayed from SL launch and the third tier of PAs that were first seen on the PTR March....2012.  

Yes, the game is still p2p.  It certainly has less subs than games like LOTRO and SWTOR did when they went f2p though.  Trion just prefers to keep it p2p, most other developers would have bit the bullet (this is a big positive to Trion IMO that they have resisted the urge).

im going to say something here that has nothing to do with the subject but irritates me to no end.

stop altering qoutes and then saying fixed that for you. its childish and makes other people reading through have to go back and find the first post to find out what the OP actully said. im tired of people doing this and wish they would just stop its not constructive and it dousnt get a point accross and it dousnt really do anything to be honest.

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  Xthos

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Posts: 2651

3/30/13 5:22:33 PM#29

I probably am not getting Defiance, I played Rift, and it was a little small/railed, and was not my thing, but Trion as a company seems like a good company that provides a lot of updates and work towards their vision of a game.

 

 

If you honestly want to 'help' people make a choice, you should try to be less biased, as many of the claims are a little overboard imo.

 

  Warjin

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3/30/13 5:23:41 PM#30
Originally posted by azloki

There are plenty of reasons you should not buy Defiance. 

1. It is hackable, like all FPS games.

2. There are games better than Defiance but still failed due to hacking issue.

3.  Planetside 2 is a good example. It is free to to play in a much bigger open ended world made by SONY. 

4. However, Planetside 2 still failed because they cannot resolve the hacking problem.

5. If SONY, a much bigger company cannot make it, why do you think Trion can?

6. During the Beta period, there are already hackers around. The side mission boards showed their hacking records. They had achieved an unachieveable result. The #1 was like 500,000 points, the second and third had only 20K - 30K.

7. Planetside 2 survived barely half a year, and now for your $59.99 + tax, this is how much you can expect. Not to mention they wanna charge the season pass and stuff. For the same amount of money I would buy Guild Wars 2 and I can play it for at least 4-6 years. GW 1 was released in 2005.

8. Developer wise, Trion is not a successful company. Check out the other products like Rift, Warface, and End of Nations. This company doesnt have much a good past record and they dont make good products but aim for making good money.

9. For $59.99, if you wanna play FPS game, you can buy the most anticipated single player game Bio Shock infinite, which was relased this month 25th.

10. If you are a big fan of FPS game and dont wanna spend any money, go play Team Fortess 2, it was made by Value and the game is free to play and it is made by a more repectful company.

11. Add your reasons here, either postive or negative.

 

I hope you all made your own decision before purchasing the game. They are all my advice and are subject to personal opinion. 

 

So let me see, a new poster , hate for Defiance, hate for Planetside, humm the only logic seem to be you are working for Firefall, come one like really, if you are going to smear a game at least do it right.

I love this site don't get me wrong but site is filled with Dev. posters that try to smear another game, this goes to show people have no honor what so ever.

  ThomasN7

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3/30/13 5:24:03 PM#31
There are just simply better shooters out on the market to play. It is just average at best in all aspects of the game. 
  snapfusion

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3/30/13 5:24:18 PM#32

I think Azloki is a paid troll from EA, they must be working on something similar.  And if not nobody cares what you like or dislike, your points are shallow and biased, just trying to stir up trouble on a game you probably cant afford to pay for anyway. 

I gaurentee if it was F2P you would be all over it. 

  Squeak69

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3/30/13 5:27:50 PM#33
Originally posted by azloki

There are plenty of reasons you should not buy Defiance. 

1. It is hackable, like all FPS games.

2. There are games better than Defiance but still failed due to hacking issue.

3.  Planetside 2 is a good example. It is free to to play in a much bigger open ended world made by SONY. 

4. However, Planetside 2 still failed because they cannot resolve the hacking problem.

5. If SONY, a much bigger company cannot make it, why do you think Trion can?

6. During the Beta period, there are already hackers around. The side mission boards showed their hacking records. They had achieved an unachieveable result. The #1 was like 500,000 points, the second and third had only 20K - 30K.

7. Planetside 2 survived barely half a year, and now for your $59.99 + tax, this is how much you can expect. Not to mention they wanna charge the season pass and stuff. For the same amount of money I would buy Guild Wars 2 and I can play it for at least 4-6 years. GW 1 was released in 2005.

8. Developer wise, Trion is not a successful company. Check out the other products like Rift, Warface, and End of Nations. This company doesnt have much a good past record and they dont make good products but aim for making good money.

9. For $59.99, if you wanna play FPS game, you can buy the most anticipated single player game Bio Shock infinite, which was relased this month 25th.

10. If you are a big fan of FPS game and dont wanna spend any money, go play Team Fortess 2, it was made by Value and the game is free to play and it is made by a more repectful company.

11. Add your reasons here, either postive or negative.

 

I hope you all made your own decision before purchasing the game. They are all my advice and are subject to personal opinion. 

 

ok everything i highlighted in red have little to nothing to do with this game and in my opion are not valid reasons.

hte item highlights in yellow is not proof of a hcak but as has been stated a exploit that is in proccess of being fixed as stated on the beta testing foroums which arnt covered by NDA anymore but im not sure if ya can get into it without a beta accessess

and the one highlighted in cyan, is a biased opion that not all would agree with and should not be a listed fact, for reason not to play a game.

and finaly the stuff still in white is questionable, since not all FPS games are in fact hackable, what you call hacking is actually aim bots and the such and it is not actual hacking it is a computer program that reads input to your screen and adjusts with mouse and keyboard input. yes its cheating but it cant be countered. and yes most online FPS have these.

my opion on this is that while the valid points that remain are valid in a primaryly PvE game like this they really lose their impact unless you are the type who gets hurt if he cant show off his e-pean.

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  Warjin

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3/30/13 5:34:17 PM#34
Originally posted by Normandy7
There are just simply better shooters out on the market to play. It is just average at best in all aspects of the game. 

I agree, but this is not just a shooter, this is a MMO shooter with PvE elements, in any MMO we have to deal with large scale battles & ping times and because of this the shooter aspect will not be as good as a 16x16 man shooter.

This is like saying MMOrpg games are not as good as single player rpg games, well yes this is true again because of the large amounts of players on one server at one time, this limits the game in some way, however as time goes on and our tech gets better MMO can and will have games as good if not better then any single player game.

  Yamota

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Gaming should be about fun, not gender equality.

3/30/13 5:34:35 PM#35

Although I will take a post of a two-poster with a grain of salt, it is funny to see all these butt-hurt fanboys getting all worked up because one guy didn't like the game.

Get over it, some people will like the game and some wont. I personally will probably try it out just because of the sci-fi series.

  Agent_Joseph

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Posts: 967

3/30/13 5:36:59 PM#36
Originally posted by azloki

There are plenty of reasons you should not buy Defiance. 

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I hope you all made your own decision before purchasing the game. They are all my advice and are subject to personal opinion. 

 

i am so sorry but I dont care for your opinion /advice

After playing beta I am preorder game !

Defiance is good,funy,dinamic  shooter mmo.

only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW

  DMKano

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3/30/13 5:37:35 PM#37

I was so gonna play this, after 300 hours of alpha play I really enjoyed it, but OP you totally changed my mind.

Oh wait.... Maybe I'll just think for myself and make my own decisions based on my own experinces instead.

LoL at some of the stuff in that OP post, it just can't be taken seriously. Like if Sony didn't make it nobody smaller can - lol, like PoE sucks with their handful of developers and is far worse than Diablo 3 with their huge team? Just complete nonsense.

 

If you dont like the game don't buy, don't play. It's that simple.

I wonder if the OP stands in front of the movie theaters yelling at folks to not go in and see a movie.

 

 

  Ginaz

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3/30/13 5:48:02 PM#38
Originally posted by Eir_S
You had me at #1.

Doesn't GW2 have a lot of hackers and bots?  If so, and it wasn't a big deal for you there, then why would it be different for Defiance?

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  Purutzil

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The Critical Hit Pretzel!

3/30/13 5:52:25 PM#39

I could comment but I just laughed at how 90% of the reasons OP listed consist of talking about planet side 2 (Has NOTHING to do with Defiance considering all they have the same is FPS) and hacking, restated several times.

 

When I describe the reasons I feel Gw2 isn't good, I'm going to use that flawless tactic instead of giving good reasons, explaining the fact it has no progression in 10 different points extended out and then mention the bots I've seen in game in another 10 more other points and point out there were bots in Runescape as a response that why it fails since runescape can't do anything about it. Never thought it would work as a valid argument about why a game isn't good! 

 

/sarcasm.

  Domy1

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Posts: 40

3/30/13 6:10:00 PM#40

First of all I wont be buying Defiance but not for the reasons the idiot op has said. I have not played beta and i wouldn't even have requested a key therefore denying someone else the chance, its just not my type of game but i wont come on here and rant how useless it is.  Plenty of people have played it and plenty have liked it or liked the way it is going.

What makes my blood boil is idots tar companies with bad reps just becuase a BETA was not what they expected. By all mean give your opinion on beta but then to peddle inaccuracies makes you look stupid.

Trion does not have a bad rep, infact they are one of the best for customer service and game quality.  Rift was very good, played for 6 months and no complaints at all, End Of Nations I was in from Alpha and when it is finaly released it is gonna be awesome, just the fact that the developers had some problems and now Trion have taken it in house there is bound to be some  delay and Warface is not out yet still in beta but is looking good (another FPS so have not actually tried it, does not interest me but i wont trash it).  If Trion were so bad why would the community be rejoicing it is them that will publish Archage?

By all means give your opionion on a game, but get your facts right before blaming the company

 

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