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  azloki

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Joined: 10/09/12
Posts: 7

 
OP  3/30/13 2:39:45 PM#1

There are plenty of reasons you should not buy Defiance. 

1. It is hackable, like all FPS games.

2. There are games better than Defiance but still failed due to hacking issue.

3.  Planetside 2 is a good example. It is free to to play in a much bigger open ended world made by SONY. 

4. However, Planetside 2 still failed because they cannot resolve the hacking problem.

5. If SONY, a much bigger company cannot make it, why do you think Trion can?

6. During the Beta period, there are already hackers around. The side mission boards showed their hacking records. They had achieved an unachieveable result. The #1 was like 500,000 points, the second and third had only 20K - 30K.

7. Planetside 2 survived barely half a year, and now for your $59.99 + tax, this is how much you can expect. Not to mention they wanna charge the season pass and stuff. For the same amount of money I would buy Guild Wars 2 and I can play it for at least 4-6 years. GW 1 was released in 2005.

8. Developer wise, Trion is not a successful company. Check out the other products like Rift, Warface, and End of Nations. This company doesnt have much a good past record and they dont make good products but aim for making good money.

9. For $59.99, if you wanna play FPS game, you can buy the most anticipated single player game Bio Shock infinite, which was relased this month 25th.

10. If you are a big fan of FPS game and dont wanna spend any money, go play Team Fortess 2, it was made by Value and the game is free to play and it is made by a more repectful company.

11. Add your reasons here, either postive or negative.

 

I hope you all made your own decision before purchasing the game. They are all my advice and are subject to personal opinion. 

 

  epoq

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Joined: 4/22/06
Posts: 186

3/30/13 2:45:34 PM#2
It seems all FPS games are plagued by ESP (wallhack) cheats and aimbotters these days.  However, with much of Defiance being PvE......I'm not really seeing the problem.  Has cheating been reported in the beta builds of the game?  Unfortunately I have not been on the forums for the game, however I did pre-purchase after the last beta event.  If the game was PvP with full loot or something like that, then yeah I could see how this would be a big problem (think WarZ/DayZ).  Not really sure I see the issue here, though. 
  GrayImpact

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Joined: 11/03/08
Posts: 903

3/30/13 2:46:54 PM#3

Sometimes i get so tired of people like you..

Really let people decide for themselves, every game that releases this crap happens.. Leave it to the reviewers you useless waste of space.

 

Get it through your thick skull that not everyone shares your opinion and some of us like the game.

  mav1234

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Joined: 7/09/09
Posts: 79

3/30/13 2:47:15 PM#4
Maybe I'm weird, but developer-wise, I like Trion.  I've not played End of Nations but I've liked what they have done with Rift overall.
  Lobotomist

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Joined: 5/20/07
Posts: 4884

I got so much trouble on my mind Refuse to lose.

3/30/13 2:48:41 PM#5
PVE , so cheaters are not important

  Nefarion84

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Joined: 11/25/08
Posts: 18

3/30/13 2:51:11 PM#6
Originally posted by azloki

There are plenty of reasons you should not buy Defiance. 

1. It is hackable, like all FPS games.

2. There are games better than Defiance but still failed due to hacking issue.

3.  Planetside 2 is a good example. It is free to to play in a much bigger open ended world made by SONY. 

4. However, Planetside 2 still failed because they cannot resolve the hacking problem.

5. If SONY, a much bigger company cannot make it, why do you think Trion can?

6. During the Beta period, there are already hackers around. The side mission boards showed their hacking records. They had achieved an unachieveable result. The #1 was like 500,000 points, the second and third had only 20K - 30K.

7. Planetside 2 survived barely half a year, and now for your $59.99 + tax, this is how much you can expect. Not to mention they wanna charge the season pass and stuff. For the same amount of money I would buy Guild Wars 2 and I can play it for at least 4-6 years. GW 1 was released in 2005.

8. Developer wise, Trion is not a successful company. Check out the other products like Rift, Warface, and End of Nations. This company doesnt have much a good past record and they dont make good products but aim for making good money.

9. For $59.99, if you wanna play FPS game, you can buy the most anticipated single player game Bio Shock infinite, which was relased this month 25th.

10. If you are a big fan of FPS game and dont wanna spend any money, go play Team Fortess 2, it was made by Value and the game is free to play and it is made by a more repectful company.

11. Add your reasons here, either postive or negative.

 

I hope you all made your own decision before purchasing the game. They are all my advice and are subject to personal opinion. 

 I respect your personal opinion and as such wont argue with most of your posts....number 8 however...IN MY OWN OPINION... is blatantly false, rift is doing pretty dang well for itself and you cant judge warface or Rise of Nations yet because they havent really released yet. as it comes to hacks, they can be tough to deal with but i think they will get it dealt with. I played the new bioshock and it was good...but REDICULOUSLY short. Im looking forward to a full world that will couple with a tv show for a play time much longer then that of Bioshock.

 

  Cryroth

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Joined: 5/20/09
Posts: 51

3/30/13 2:51:22 PM#7
trion not sucessful? did you see rift still a p2p game in the world where p2p are actually declining.
  Strizzy12

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Joined: 10/27/07
Posts: 14

3/30/13 2:55:44 PM#8
Originally posted by Cryroth
trion not sucessful? did you see rift still a p2p game in the world where p2p are actually declining.

This and nothing but this.  Oh and no... I don't play rift.

  red_cruiser

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Joined: 9/12/07
Posts: 473

3/30/13 2:58:04 PM#9

It's going to be up to Tirion to come down with heavy bans on people who cheat; and the players are going to have to do their part in reporting the people they see  that are cheating. Saying that "X company didn't stop bans; so Y company isn't going to be able to do anything about it!" is a terrible argument.  Suddenly, Sony is the expert MMO game company?  When on earth did this happen? 

BioShock Infinite is the most overrated game I've played in a long time.  Boring vigors, boring weapons, boring enemies, terrible story, way too short, and what should be only a one and done setting.  I liked the sky line fights, but those felt pretty rare. A game that you can beat in 5 or 6 hours with 0 replayability that you can only play by yourself is pretty expensive entertainment.   I could have spent 7 hours in a movie theater and spent less than $60.00.  Defiance on the other hand is $60.00 and I can play for as much as I want to and with a lot of other people. 

  Eir_S

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Joined: 8/07/11
Posts: 4707

GW2 socialist.

3/30/13 3:01:06 PM#10
You had me at #1.
  jmcdermottuk

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Joined: 6/10/06
Posts: 918

3/30/13 3:01:49 PM#11

I was going to reply to this thread sooner but I decided to do a bit of searching around 1st. I've found no evidence at all that Defiance has ever been hacked. I know where these losers hang out because I play quite a few FPS games and I like to keep up with the latest hacks pople are using. The quicker these things are pointed out to the anti cheat people the better for all of us.

Nothing anywhere about Defiance hacks. Nix, nada, zip, diddly squat!

Please provide evidence of these hacks or admit you're a troll. Something I think everyone can already see by the post count.

 

Edit:

Something else to think on, Sony may be utterly rubbish at dealing with hackers but Steam are not. Now, seeing as Defiance is for sale on Steam I think any potential hackers will be a bit more circumspect because Steam ban them from their account, not just the one game they were caught cheating. Out of all the FPS games out there I'd say Steam games encounter the fewest hackers. They have too much to lose if caught. That's been my experience anyway.

And were do we see people buying Defiance from? Steam.

  rojoArcueid

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Joined: 8/13/09
Posts: 5804

"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

3/30/13 3:17:55 PM#12
Originally posted by azloki

There are plenty of reasons you should not buy Defiance. 

1. It is hackable, like all FPS games.

2. There are games better than Defiance but still failed due to hacking issue.

3.  Planetside 2 is a good example. It is free to to play in a much bigger open ended world made by SONY. 

4. However, Planetside 2 still failed because they cannot resolve the hacking problem.

5. If SONY, a much bigger company cannot make it, why do you think Trion can?

6. During the Beta period, there are already hackers around. The side mission boards showed their hacking records. They had achieved an unachieveable result. The #1 was like 500,000 points, the second and third had only 20K - 30K.

7. Planetside 2 survived barely half a year, and now for your $59.99 + tax, this is how much you can expect. Not to mention they wanna charge the season pass and stuff. For the same amount of money I would buy Guild Wars 2 and I can play it for at least 4-6 years. GW 1 was released in 2005.

8. Developer wise, Trion is not a successful company. Check out the other products like Rift, Warface, and End of Nations. This company doesnt have much a good past record and they dont make good products but aim for making good money.

9. For $59.99, if you wanna play FPS game, you can buy the most anticipated single player game Bio Shock infinite, which was relased this month 25th.

10. If you are a big fan of FPS game and dont wanna spend any money, go play Team Fortess 2, it was made by Value and the game is free to play and it is made by a more repectful company.

11. Add your reasons here, either postive or negative.

 

I hope you all made your own decision before purchasing the game. They are all my advice and are subject to personal opinion. 

 

1. You said all FPS are hackable. Does that mean i have to walk away from FPS genre? no.

2. If its not massive, Third Person, with PvE, then to me is not better than Defiance (or even Firefall). Thats personal preference.

3. Planetside 2 doesnt have PvE and Third Person perspective so dont compare it to Defiance. Again, personal pref.

4. Same here.

5. Sony made a massive pvp FPS. They didnt make a massive PvE TPS. Stop comparing a PvP game with a PvE game.

6. I saw those ridiculous numbers. I barely made 40k once.

7. Again comparing a PvP game with a PvE game. Also, remember that Defiance runs along with the TV show. Trion can add more content as long as it doesnt affect the TV show's content. Im sure each season of the TV show will come with new season (big content) for the game to keep running both at the same pace.

8. Trion has put more content aggressively than anyone else in years (not sure if they are doing it anymore tho). And of course if you played the beta you should know the game plays well. They made Rift. Everything else you mentioned was made by a different company, they just published them. So judging a company for 1 past game is not fair, just opinion.

9. No matter how good Bioshock Infinite is i prefer to pay the 60 bucks in Defiance because i can play it for a long time. For me to pay 60 bucks for a single player-only game has to be the size of Skyrim. Maybe if Bioshock had multiplayer i would pay it. Definitely not for 1 short campaign. Thats my personal opinion. Im not saying the game is bad or not worth the money, its just me, personally.

10. Im not a fan of FPS, im a fan of TPS (Third Person). The only FPS i can say im a fan of is battlefield because of the size of the maps that add more tactical combat and the destruction thanks to Frostbite.

11. Im enjoying it.

 

Here i got me covered. Why shouldnt I buy Defiance again? :)

 

 

  Squarll

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Joined: 8/13/10
Posts: 47

3/30/13 3:50:23 PM#13

6. During the Beta period, there are already hackers around. The side mission boards showed their hacking records. They had achieved an unachieveable result. The #1 was like 500,000 points, the second and third had only 20K - 30K.

they are not hackers they are exploits that alpha testers have been trying to sort out... yes some are still in the beta but they know about them and are working to resolve them

still funny how peeps bash a game they dont like instead of just moving onto a game they do like, maybe you should leave the beer alone befor you type.

  Tinea

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Joined: 7/27/03
Posts: 73

3/30/13 4:00:51 PM#14

Isn't any game hackable?  I know very little about hacking, but what makes Defiance more prone to hacking?  Is it that shooters attract more hackers?  Is it that Trion has a history of being hacked?  Is it just that hacking in a game with PvP is more likely to affect your game play than in a pure PvE game?

Also, the extremely high scores on the challenges/side missions don't nessarily equal hacking.  It could be an exploit, which is still not good, but that does not equal hacking.  I'd believe people were finding exploits before believing that they were hacking.  I read the forums about some of the challenges and there were posts by people explaining how they got the high scores, so it may not even be exploiting.

I will be playing the game, but I don't expect to be playing it for years.  Since its buy to play, I can see myself playing on and off for a longer time if the show is good and maintains my interest in the world.

  BizkitNL

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"Free to play, pay to win""

3/30/13 4:03:18 PM#15
Wait....Planetside 2 failed? When did that happen? And when will me and the rest of the playerbase be officially informed about it?

Feel like trying Planetside 2? Get a headstart with the starter kit!

  aesperus

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3/30/13 4:04:45 PM#16

I hate to break it to you, but ALL games are hackable. Every last one. There's never been a case of a game that wasn't hackable. A game being hackable, isn't a good enough reason to pass up any one particular game over another. The main question is whether or not it impedes gameplay / is severe enough to make the game unplayable.

The rest of your reasons seem to have little to do with the game itself.

This isn't to say that hacking isn't an issue, but if you are going to go on a forum trying to stear people away from a game, give some solid reasoning.

  Akatsi

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3/30/13 4:17:18 PM#17

     I would have to say, during the last beta, I pretty much stuck around in Shadow War/Observatory (Instanced PvP), and out of the 150-200 matches I played, I ran into only one hacker. It was a speed hacker. I ended up recording, reporting, etc. etc. You know the drill. Funny part was I still beat him down multiple times and my team ended up winning. =P Point is, I haven't seen hackers in every other game like I have in some other betas I've been in. 

     As for the crazy scores in some challenges, those aren't hacks. As someone before me said, they're exploits. I would know, since one of the scores is mine. It was during one of the hotshot challenges. I had run out of ammo in my pistol, which usually ended the challenge, but I quickly switched to my LMG and the match glitched and kept going. I then used up the ammo in every single gun. I have around a 800-1000x multiplier and my score was around 1.2 mil when the second highest score was 300k. 

     As for the rest of the OP's concerns, I don't really have an preference. I just wanted to give my opinion on the 'hacking' aspect of it. ^_^;

  revslave

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3/30/13 4:19:38 PM#18

Hello

Just a bit of info on the in game leaderboards, this was not due to a 3rd party hack, but because of an in game exploitable bug. Granted an exploitable bug is bad but to my uneducated computer illiterate mind most likely easer to correct.

I have no real need or desire to comment on any of your other points, and in the end only time will tell if you predictions come true

Cheers.

  Raserei

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3/30/13 4:23:26 PM#19

@OP, this is ultra opinionated.

 

Your calling Trion a bad company? Ar you being serious? They update Rift more than Blizzard updates WoW. Rift is an amazing game. Trion is an amazing company. Defiance WILL be an amazing game. Your raving about Planetside 2 but don't mention any other shooters, so it's kind of clear you are a Planetside 2 fan that hates hackers, so why rant here?

 

Defiance will be a GREAT game!

  Phry

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3/30/13 4:28:00 PM#20
Originally posted by BizkitNL
Wait....Planetside 2 failed? When did that happen? And when will me and the rest of the playerbase be officially informed about it?

round about the same time that Rift did.. oh wait, that didnt happen either

tbh, most of the OP's arguments are more than a little suspect bordering on er.. lies, though i can think of several reasons not to buy defiance, on the PC for instance the UI shows its console heritage far too well, regardless of that my reason not to buy is because i don't like 3rd person shooters.

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