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  rojoArcueid

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3/25/13 9:14:33 AM#41
Originally posted by grimfall
 

 I think that it was more people looking for a different game and hating on the clones... and then hating WoW for it's popularity because it was so huge that all the development money for the last 8 years has gone towards making clones.

WoW is not to blame for this. Devs and publishers who wanted Blizzards income in their own pockets while taking the easy way out (cloning) are to blame.

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  Kingmob23

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3/29/13 7:08:10 AM#42
Originally posted by evilastro
WoW introduced a lot of things that older fans of the genre are not keen on. The game itself is passable for what it is, a mainstream shallow time waster. But for those of us who weren't introduced to the genre with WoW, it isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread that the majority make it out to be. Hence the backlash.

I was introduced to the genre with Everquest in 1999 and I was there at week one of Asheron's Call and I think WoW is better than both by a wide margin. The game has more features than any of those two and has a much more lively and intreseting world to explore than either. WoW gets tagged as a shallow time waster, I remember playing EQ and farming the same mobs over and over again for days at a time  just to level. Games with interesting sandbox features such as SWG were a buggy mess and was bogged down with poor combat. I'm tired of mmo vets coming on and telling others that they missed out on a gaming renascence that was ruined by WoW. WoW was better than any other themepark mmo out at its release and was funner than any of the sandbox ones. Thats why lots of older fans of the genre flocked to WoW when it came out and were subbed to it for years.

  Mors.Magne

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3/30/13 4:06:16 AM#43
Originally posted by Kingmob23
Originally posted by evilastro
WoW introduced a lot of things that older fans of the genre are not keen on. The game itself is passable for what it is, a mainstream shallow time waster. But for those of us who weren't introduced to the genre with WoW, it isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread that the majority make it out to be. Hence the backlash.

I was introduced to the genre with Everquest in 1999 and I was there at week one of Asheron's Call and I think WoW is better than both by a wide margin. The game has more features than any of those two and has a much more lively and intreseting world to explore than either. WoW gets tagged as a shallow time waster, I remember playing EQ and farming the same mobs over and over again for days at a time  just to level. Games with interesting sandbox features such as SWG were a buggy mess and was bogged down with poor combat. I'm tired of mmo vets coming on and telling others that they missed out on a gaming renascence that was ruined by WoW. WoW was better than any other themepark mmo out at its release and was funner than any of the sandbox ones. Thats why lots of older fans of the genre flocked to WoW when it came out and were subbed to it for years.

I like WoW, but it can be a shallow time-waster if you play it wrong.

For example, yesterday I tried to 'farm' battle-stones for pet battles. This wasted a whole day and I didn't get the battle-stone(s) I wanted.

 

  fivoroth

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3/30/13 5:02:04 AM#44
Originally posted by Mors.Magne
Originally posted by evilastro
WoW introduced a lot of things that older fans of the genre are not keen on. The game itself is passable for what it is, a mainstream shallow time waster. But for those of us who weren't introduced to the genre with WoW, it isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread that the majority make it out to be. Hence the backlash.

You could say that all games (except maybe sport) are "shallow time wasters" - socially and economically speaking. 

It depends on how you play a game that matters.

If it's just to rest and re-charge for a bit after coming home around dinner time, I think that's ok because it's not as if you'll be particularly productive around that time of day anyway.

 

YOu could also say that all TV series and moves are also shallow time wasters. But people spend hours on end watching TV :D

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  Teh_Axi

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3/30/13 5:05:27 AM#45
You sold out son.
  Rzep

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3/30/13 5:15:25 AM#46
Play what you want, don't listen to others. A simple rule I go by, especially when it comes to mmos. The odd thing about mmo gamers is that once they get bored of the game even after 5000h+ the game magically turns to shit. Immediatly once they are burned out they have some sort of revelation that what they have been playing is just about the worst thing in gaming. It's odd and a bit sad. I played WoW for 2 years, I got bored, I stopped. I never felt the need to bash it or somehow turn my fond memories into seething hate.
  Phry

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3/30/13 5:16:41 AM#47
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by Mors.Magne
Originally posted by evilastro
WoW introduced a lot of things that older fans of the genre are not keen on. The game itself is passable for what it is, a mainstream shallow time waster. But for those of us who weren't introduced to the genre with WoW, it isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread that the majority make it out to be. Hence the backlash.

You could say that all games (except maybe sport) are "shallow time wasters" - socially and economically speaking. 

It depends on how you play a game that matters.

If it's just to rest and re-charge for a bit after coming home around dinner time, I think that's ok because it's not as if you'll be particularly productive around that time of day anyway.

 

YOu could also say that all TV series and moves are also shallow time wasters. But people spend hours on end watching TV :D

apparently TV in the USA is pretty bad for the 'shallow' etc, stuff, which given how bad the TV is in the UK, must mean its pretty terrible, the wife turns on the tv in the evening to watch emmerdale and corry, and after that the idiot box has the rest of the night off, tbh, TV these days is just several shades of bland... however, rest of the evening the wife is usually on facebook chatting with the rest of the family/friends etc..

 i think its fair to say that PC's or perhaps, the internet, has really become the main 'entertainment' focus, and how many people here would rather play an MMO than watch another episode of 'generic soap' on TV, i mean, maybe we do complain about MMO's but if i had to choose between being forced to watch telly or play an MMO, then even STO would win..

  Hatefull

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3/30/13 5:18:21 AM#48
Originally posted by silverseed71
Congrats to me for following the lesser gaming crowd! I don't even have a level 20 on WOW and I am hooked! I have anxiety and depression and I played City of Heroes from the start and it helped my condition. World of Warcraft has picked up where COH closed. I enjoy this game and it's beauty! I enjoy the game just walking around !!!!

Honestly, I did not enjoy WoW, but that had very little to do with the actual game.  My issue is more with the community.  Having said that, If you enjoy it and are having a great time with it, then that is all that matters.  Play what you like, and enjoy it while you do.  Best of luck to you.

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  ace5572

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3/30/13 5:20:33 AM#49

If you played WoW when it first came out you would understand. It wasn't as much of a challenge as say EQ or UO was but atleast they (Blizzard) kind of challenged you. Now WoW is just some dumbed-down piece of crap. That aside, wheres the customization? Every piece of armor looks the same and is the same color.

Also you can't look past all the obvious cash grabs. 20 dollars for a mount? Are you serious? ARE YOU SERIOUS!? But...but.....its a unicorn!

Thanks for being part of the "lesser crowd" and giving an evil corporation (Activision who owns Blizzard) more money to ruin more videogames.

  Sukiyaki

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3/30/13 5:33:16 AM#50

"I hated .... because I was told to hate ...!"

Sounds like the average target audience of this shallow overhyped and clunky grinder.

Did Mr.T convince you?

  delete5230

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3/30/13 7:04:26 AM#51
Originally posted by ace5572

If you played WoW when it first came out you would understand. It wasn't as much of a challenge as say EQ or UO was but atleast they (Blizzard) kind of challenged you. Now WoW is just some dumbed-down piece of crap. That aside, wheres the customization? Every piece of armor looks the same and is the same color.

Also you can't look past all the obvious cash grabs. 20 dollars for a mount? Are you serious? ARE YOU SERIOUS!? But...but.....its a unicorn!

Thanks for being part of the "lesser crowd" and giving an evil corporation (Activision who owns Blizzard) more money to ruin more videogames.

This guy is right.........The game is crap now !

  Theodwulf

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3/30/13 7:13:34 AM#52
  I got sick of WoW. i did Vanilla, Burning crusade and then burned out on Lich king, have visited  from time to time but never got back into it.
  Vannor

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3/30/13 7:16:41 AM#53
Originally posted by delete5230
Originally posted by ace5572

If you played WoW when it first came out you would understand. It wasn't as much of a challenge as say EQ or UO was but atleast they (Blizzard) kind of challenged you. Now WoW is just some dumbed-down piece of crap. That aside, wheres the customization? Every piece of armor looks the same and is the same color.

Also you can't look past all the obvious cash grabs. 20 dollars for a mount? Are you serious? ARE YOU SERIOUS!? But...but.....its a unicorn!

Thanks for being part of the "lesser crowd" and giving an evil corporation (Activision who owns Blizzard) more money to ruin more videogames.

This guy is right.........The game is crap now !

To some people..

I played WoW at Vanilla and during each and every expansion. For my tastes and the way I play MMOs now, WoW is in a much better state than it ever was.

As for all the armor looking the same in WoW.. that's gotta be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

  ironhelix

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3/30/13 7:29:26 AM#54
Originally posted by ace5572

If you played WoW when it first came out you would understand. It wasn't as much of a challenge as say EQ or UO was but atleast they (Blizzard) kind of challenged you. Now WoW is just some dumbed-down piece of crap. That aside, wheres the customization? Every piece of armor looks the same and is the same color.

Also you can't look past all the obvious cash grabs. 20 dollars for a mount? Are you serious? ARE YOU SERIOUS!? But...but.....its a unicorn!

Thanks for being part of the "lesser crowd" and giving an evil corporation (Activision who owns Blizzard) more money to ruin more videogames.

Why would you spend $20 on a mount? They are readily available in the game for free.

Also, WTF are you talking about with the armor? WoW has some of the MOST diverse models of any game ever made by a HUGE margin. There are 50 characters in Org right now, and not ONE of them is wearing the same armor as another.

Conclusion? Above poster has never played WoW.

  steelheartx

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3/30/13 7:31:31 AM#55
There's alot of haters out there, but WoW really wasn't a bad game.

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  cybersurfr

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3/30/13 7:34:20 AM#56
I haven't played WoW since WOTLK, but for what it's worth I never hated it like (generalization) everyone else. In fact, it's the only game I actuallyhave gone back for to play for a while. None of the other MMOs I've tried after have managed to do that. Unfortunately, age took my time away from raiding.
  defector1968

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3/30/13 7:36:01 AM#57
Originally posted by silverseed71
Congrats to me for following the lesser gaming crowd! I don't even have a level 20 on WOW and I am hooked! I have anxiety and depression and I played City of Heroes from the start and it helped my condition. World of Warcraft has picked up where COH closed. I enjoy this game and it's beauty! I enjoy the game just walking around !!!!

they are the biggest, if u add all other MMOs from 1998 till now the players that hate wow are far more than u can imagine

a game with big number of subs doesnt mean that are the more MMO community, it just means that the specific game has more followers as a title

anyway 2nd life and world of tanks have far more players from wow, 2nd life years now has

  Mors.Magne

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3/30/13 7:37:55 AM#58
Originally posted by Rzep
Play what you want, don't listen to others. A simple rule I go by, especially when it comes to mmos. The odd thing about mmo gamers is that once they get bored of the game even after 5000h+ the game magically turns to shit. Immediatly once they are burned out they have some sort of revelation that what they have been playing is just about the worst thing in gaming. It's odd and a bit sad. I played WoW for 2 years, I got bored, I stopped. I never felt the need to bash it or somehow turn my fond memories into seething hate.

I totally agree with you.

But I think any grinding* will cause eventual hate.

If you can play an MMORPG without grinding, you've cracked it.

 

* Grinding = a repetative or boring activity with the aim of acheiving success.

  calranthe

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3/30/13 8:40:47 AM#59

Wow as an mmo isn't bad a lot of us hate it for what it did to the genre.

It took all the good ideas from earlier mmorpg and packaged them in an easier both in hardware requirements and intelligence requirements box, your mother really could play wow.

It created an example of quantity over quality that caused investment in new ideas and developers to reduce by a huge amount, all the fund managers reasonably wanted to invest in a wow clone.

This all caused a down shift in taking chances and new ideas,  wow also introduced systems later on which created a gamescape with no effort involved and a sense of entitlement that players feel every game should have these mechanics like dungeon finder. Good or Bad Wow happened and some people hate it.

Wow/blizzard was also the first company to hire a team of psychologists to "streamline" new feature make them as addictive as possible.

  fivoroth

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3/30/13 5:49:19 PM#60
Originally posted by Sukiyaki

"I hated .... because I was told to hate ...!"

Sounds like the average target audience of this shallow overhyped and clunky grinder.

Did Mr.T convince you?

You know what  I find funny? Say someone goes out and buys MMO X even though everyone tells them that MMO X sucks. Then they come to the forums and QQ and then they WILL be told on the forums that they SHOULD HAVE listened to people and should have never bought the game in the first place and that it was entirely their fault that they bought MMO X even though everyone told them it sucked. But now we have people telling a poster that they should not listen to anyone and go try it for themselves.

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo....which is it?

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