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  Reizla

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3/29/13 6:01:51 PM#261
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by CalmOceans

If I wanted action combat I would play a console game with a controller where I could mash buttons.

Tab targeting allows for tactics like crowd control and splitting techniques that simply aren't possible during action zergfests.

Don't be a fool. Action combat can and has just as much tactics, CC and everything else than any other method of combat. It only looks like a button mash to someone who doesn't understand what is happening.

You're letting your ignorance show.

Was about to say the same. Only problem with CC in action combat is that it's mostly an AoE effect and thus a possible aggro puller for other mobs. Aside from that, I prefer action combat over tabbing (with auto-turning to target).

The one thing I really miss in action combat is some good pets/minions control though

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  Horusra

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3/29/13 6:04:20 PM#262
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Horusra

 

I look at Plantside and most FPS's they are riddled with hacks and no game seems to want to put the money into fixing that issue.  If the game is PvE that is fine.  PvP it is a game killer.

I still don't see how action combat = hacks.  What does a fps game have to do with an action combat mmo ?

Called Auto aim. 

  Horusra

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3/29/13 6:06:30 PM#263
Originally posted by Reizla
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by CalmOceans

If I wanted action combat I would play a console game with a controller where I could mash buttons.

Tab targeting allows for tactics like crowd control and splitting techniques that simply aren't possible during action zergfests.

Don't be a fool. Action combat can and has just as much tactics, CC and everything else than any other method of combat. It only looks like a button mash to someone who doesn't understand what is happening.

You're letting your ignorance show.

Was about to say the same. Only problem with CC in action combat is that it's mostly an AoE effect and thus a possible aggro puller for other mobs. Aside from that, I prefer action combat over tabbing (with auto-turning to target).

The one thing I really miss in action combat is some good pets/minions control though

if it is auto-turning how is it really different than tab tagetting...somehow you are "locking" onto the target for auto-turning to work.

  AlBQuirky

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3/29/13 6:06:59 PM#264


Originally posted by Horusra
What if you are just out not raiding or grouping and want to kill stuff while talking in a world chat?  A voice chat for that would not work.

Exactly. How does one ask for help in the zone when they do an "oopsie" and pull more than they can handle or get some untimely adds?
"help i neewww1wswwdddssw22wwww"
*crap*

I will say that action combat DOES help with inane chatter in map channels when players are fighting :)

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Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
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  Wickedjelly

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3/29/13 7:23:27 PM#265

Some of you are seriously grasping at straws here. I really doubt I'm that quick of a typer yet I have no problem conversing in chat regardless whether it is action or tab oriented. Granted I use vc at times as well but there are plenty of times I just bs via general or world chat by typing. Pretty sure if I can do it the majority on here are just as capable as well.

Not really seeing how the style of gameplay somehow defeats this from being possible if you care to unless there is some sort of action oriented post tramautic stress disorder I am unaware of.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  DamonVile

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3/29/13 7:45:05 PM#266
Originally posted by Horusra
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Horusra

 

I look at Plantside and most FPS's they are riddled with hacks and no game seems to want to put the money into fixing that issue.  If the game is PvE that is fine.  PvP it is a game killer.

I still don't see how action combat = hacks.  What does a fps game have to do with an action combat mmo ?

Called Auto aim. 

You don't know what action combat is do you. If you really want a throw out hacks. Tab target games are full of bots. Pretty hard to bot in an action combat game.

  AlBQuirky

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3/29/13 10:00:53 PM#267


Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Some of you are seriously grasping at straws here. I really doubt I'm that quick of a typer yet I have no problem conversing in chat regardless whether it is action or tab oriented. Granted I use vc at times as well but there are plenty of times I just bs via general or world chat by typing. Pretty sure if I can do it the majority on here are just as capable as well.

Not really seeing how the style of gameplay somehow defeats this from being possible if you care to unless there is some sort of action oriented post tramautic stress disorder I am unaware of.



I've got an 8086 processor for a brain with a whopping 64kb of memory :) The input sometimes gets bottled up... Being in the middle of a text chat and suddenly needing to dodge an attack is truly a pain. Erase the text by backspacing, hit enter, and try to dodge. Or just hit enter and dodge and have people wondering what on earth you're talking about :)

I also look at my keyboard when I type for chatting. I am probably alone in this, though.

I think "tab targeting" has taken on a broader sense than what I think of it as: EQ1 tab targeting. WoW with it's skill bar covered UI is also tab targeting, yet very different.

Also, "tab target" describes target acquisition while "action combat" describes general combat. A better selection would have been either:
Tab Targeting vs. Aiming
Static Combat vs. Action Combat.

- Al

Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
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  Eir_S

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3/30/13 12:56:02 AM#268
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Horusra
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Horusra

 

I look at Plantside and most FPS's they are riddled with hacks and no game seems to want to put the money into fixing that issue.  If the game is PvE that is fine.  PvP it is a game killer.

I still don't see how action combat = hacks.  What does a fps game have to do with an action combat mmo ?

Called Auto aim. 

You don't know what action combat is do you. If you really want a throw out hacks. Tab target games are full of bots. Pretty hard to bot in an action combat game.

Good point here.  An FPS is action combat, but not really the type that's being discussed in this thread.

  Arclan

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3/30/13 9:58:44 PM#269

Voice chat. /major gag. Only did that a few times in Planetside 1 years ago; and it was the most immersive-killing element ever. Only one person sounded cool. Everyone else sounded like total goofs.

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  Eir_S

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3/30/13 10:50:42 PM#270
Originally posted by Arclan

Voice chat. /major gag. Only did that a few times in Planetside 1 years ago; and it was the most immersive-killing element ever. Only one person sounded cool. Everyone else sounded like total goofs.

Which one were you? lol

  observer

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3/30/13 10:57:41 PM#271
I like both, but there wasn't an option in the poll.  Before i played MMOs, i would always play FPS games, so action combat targeting doesn't bother me.  I wish more MMOs would have dodge like GW2 too..  and i know WoW has Roll for monks, but it still doesn't feel the same, since it only rolls the direction you're facing.  I think the TSW has dodge also, but i might be wrong.
  Sho0terMcgavin

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3/31/13 1:25:09 AM#272
I've traditionally played alot of Tab Target games.  But, I feel like that time has passed and some good action mmos like Tera have come out, and some even better ones on the horizon (ESO, Wildstar, Blade & Soul etc).  Just my opinion of course.  To be honest, I didn't expect as many people choosing tab target over action.  It will definitely give me a better perspective from now on.  

  Eir_S

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3/31/13 3:41:35 AM#273
Originally posted by Sho0terMcgavin
I've traditionally played alot of Tab Target games.  But, I feel like that time has passed and some good action mmos like Tera have come out, and some even better ones on the horizon (ESO, Wildstar, Blade & Soul etc).  Just my opinion of course.  To be honest, I didn't expect as many people choosing tab target over action.  It will definitely give me a better perspective from now on.  

.2%?  That's not many more people.  Besides, WoW is still the best selling MMO out there last time I checked and it's got tab targetting.

  TheHavok

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3/31/13 4:03:20 AM#274

I like both.

 

  Stiler

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3/31/13 4:43:15 AM#275

I can enjoy both, but I have grown tired of the same old mmo style combat.

 

There are so many "different" combat systems out there, in both rpgs nad action games, but mmo's seem "rooted" into following the same exact combat style n almost any. Tab-target, hotkey formula, over and over and over.

 

It becomes quite repeitive and gets boring fast.

  Kuro1n

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3/31/13 7:26:02 AM#276
After having played Tera I really have to say I prefer action combat over tab target (even though Tera could have been better still). I think there is space for both types but well done action combat is amazing.
  DamonVile

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3/31/13 7:48:25 AM#277
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by Sho0terMcgavin
I've traditionally played alot of Tab Target games.  But, I feel like that time has passed and some good action mmos like Tera have come out, and some even better ones on the horizon (ESO, Wildstar, Blade & Soul etc).  Just my opinion of course.  To be honest, I didn't expect as many people choosing tab target over action.  It will definitely give me a better perspective from now on.  

.2%?  That's not many more people.  Besides, WoW is still the best selling MMO out there last time I checked and it's got tab targetting.

40.xx% of people picked it over action ( not just the difference between the two ;) )  Considering how new and how few mmos out there use action combat I'm surprised the numbers are even close. People tend to not like change and often want just reskinned games because they're familliar and easy to learn that way.

  Prepared

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5/14/13 4:58:34 PM#278
Originally posted by CalmOceans

If I wanted action combat I would play a console game with a controller where I could mash buttons.

Tab targeting allows for tactics like crowd control and splitting techniques that simply aren't possible during action zergfests.

 

100% agree with this statement.  I enjoy tab targeting in my MMORPG.  Any MMORPG without tab targeting, I don't consider playing it.  

 

The best MMORPG would give the option for players to use either of these options.  Just as a player can change graphics settings, a player should be able to select whether or not to use tab targeting or a targeting reticle.  If that were in an MMORPG, how many players would go for tab targeting?

 

 

  ShakyMo

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5/14/13 5:02:52 PM#279
I'm sold on action combat now

I'll mmos couldn't handle real time combat, modern pcs and internet connections can.

I'm on about full on real time like ps2 and darkfall, not half way systems like tsw, gw2, tera, Neverwinter etc..

What I would love is a game like planetside bit with mount and blade / chivalry / war of the roses type combat / setting.
  ShakyMo

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5/14/13 5:07:48 PM#280
Also fps combat is no more susceptible to hacks than tab Target.

Wall / teleport / invulnerable / speed / radar hacks happen with both systems. Tab Target games still do a bunch of stuff client side.

The only difference is fps has aim bots. Tab Target has gcd hacks (either miss gcd or queue abilities to all fire on same gcd) the latter is rife in wow & war.

I guess aim bot is harder to spot though.
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