Trending Games | WildStar | ArcheAge | World of Warcraft | Elder Scrolls Online

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,736,542 Users Online:0
Games:714  Posts:6,174,822
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Puzzle Pirates Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

Elder Scrolls Online

Elder Scrolls Online 

General Discussion  » Dear ZOS, Please Don't Let Paul Sage Wreck This Game...

8 Pages First « 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 » Search
147 posts found
  Dihoru

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/11/06
Posts: 2615

3/29/13 5:29:47 AM#81
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Originally posted by Maelwydd

Does EVE have faction pride?

While I don't like the game personally (I do think the design is great though) that seems to have the current 'Best PvP' title. Factions in EVE are totally player generated and player run with each faction deciding what their goal is. Faction pride is certainly present in EVE and there isn't even the slightest hint of any faction locks.

So I ask those that say faction locks are essential for faction pride WHY do you think it is essential when other games PROVE it isn't?

Because to me it seems you are unable to get beyond your experiences in DAOC and you think the DOAC model with faction locks is the best way simply because you lack a broad experience of other PvP games.

Faction pride does not exist in Eve. You have miss identified what that means. Wars are not faught between Amarr and Caldarri for example because they are seen as meaningless by the playerbase.

Nope, you guys just donno what factions are in EVE, true they can be NPC empires such as the Amarr and Caldari and yes wars are fought for those two by their factional militias, some do it for the LP and isk rewards, some are RPers, but the actual factions in EVE which go to war on a pretty regular basis are the player created ones, most notably the CFC http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Clusterfuck_Coalition_%28Player_coalition%29 and their russian foes (though the russians themselves rarely form a cohesive unit when they do... oh brother does it get wild) such as http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Against_ALL_Authorities_%28Player_alliance%29. And just to be perfectly clear hatred between those two groups is such a strong motivator that back in the late 2000s when BoB finally went down Goonswarm actually fell apart because they no longer had a focal point for their hatred (their old alliance got disbanded and they reformed under their old GIA leader Mittani).

  Livnthedream

Novice Member

Joined: 3/20/13
Posts: 582

I like this planet, YOU get off!

3/29/13 5:39:18 AM#82
Originally posted by Dihoru

Nope, you guys just donno what factions are in EVE, true they can be NPC empires such as the Amarr and Caldari and yes wars are fought for those two by their factional militias, some do it for the LP and isk rewards, some are RPers, but the actual factions in EVE which go to war on a pretty regular basis are the player created ones, most notably the CFC http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Clusterfuck_Coalition_%28Player_coalition%29 and their russian foes (though the russians themselves rarely form a cohesive unit when they do... oh brother does it get wild) such as http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Against_ALL_Authorities_%28Player_alliance%29. And just to be perfectly clear hatred between those two groups is such a strong motivator that back in the late 2000s when BoB finally went down Goonswarm actually fell apart because they no longer had a focal point for their hatred (their old alliance got disbanded and they reformed under their old GIA leader Mittani).

LoL. Goonsquad fell apart because its members turned on each other. I currently live with a goon who was there at the time, the stories are hilarious.
Generally speaking that does not fall under the term "faction pride" because they are simply not big enough. Well, that and they are more often than not made up of too many small parts that are only loosely affiliated for one reason or another. Even then, what Eve has is not really viable in the type of game that is Eso is being built into. The traditional idea of faction pride is very much the "horde or allaince" paradigm that gets asked everytime you hear someone say "I play Wow". That is the sort it normally banks on.

http://chroniclesofthenerds.com/nerdfight/

Y U NO FLIP TABLE?!?!?!

  Maelwydd

Elite Member

Joined: 2/26/09
Posts: 1061

3/29/13 5:47:19 AM#83

End of the day, faction pride stems from the player getting passionate about ANY group they belong to. That can be racial, political, social or any other reason the player takes an interest in. Dictated faction pride is simply for those that struggle to think up a reason to enjoy the contest other then the reason the game designers have given you.

Lack of imagination, understanding of the variables that go into any contested situation and laziness are my best guesses for why some people simply want to be spoon fed who to see as the enemy.

 

Edit - Oh and just for fun can anyone name a conflict where the opposing forces neither entered their opponents land or didn't communicate before, during or after the conflict. Prizes if anyone can.

  Qallidexz

Novice Member

Joined: 5/24/12
Posts: 269

 
OP  3/29/13 5:52:15 AM#84
Originally posted by Maelwydd

Lack of imagination, understanding 

 

I'd say "lack of understanding" sums your post up pretty darn well.

  Sentnl

Novice Member

Joined: 3/07/13
Posts: 79

3/29/13 5:52:46 AM#85

If people have friends in the other factions, come Cryodiil, likely, there will be "I wont hit you if you dont hit me" . Why dont you just get your friends on ONE faction, and then problem solved.

I dont see the benefit of the other territories being open and friendly from lvl1, they shouldn't even be friendly at lvl50, you should have to be careful when going there... but I can compensate for that plan. I can't compensate for tratiors on my own faction making weird sub-alliances with other factions...

I sometimes play under the alias "Exposed". Don't tell anybody.

  Maelwydd

Elite Member

Joined: 2/26/09
Posts: 1061

3/29/13 5:54:09 AM#86
Originally posted by Qallidexz
Originally posted by Maelwydd

Lack of imagination, understanding 

 

I'd say "lack of understanding" sums your post up pretty darn well.

Help me understand then. Answer my questions.

  Stizzled

Gumshoe

Joined: 9/13/07
Posts: 981

Kill Your Heroes

3/29/13 5:54:19 AM#87

I don't understand what the DAoC fans are all riled up about. Most of you will be playing Camelot Unchained, why even worry about ESO? Would it be such a crime if ESO became something that ES fans might enjoy?

 

There aren't enough DAoC fans to fill two games, ZOS would be wise to give up on the heavy PvP focus and just let Camelot Unchained have them. They'd be much more successful if they focused on the massive audience that their chosen IP has anyways.

  Dihoru

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/11/06
Posts: 2615

3/29/13 6:09:49 AM#88
Originally posted by Stizzled

I don't understand what the DAoC fans are all riled up about. Most of you will be playing Camelot Unchained, why even worry about ESO? Would it be such a crime if ESO became something that ES fans might enjoy?

 

There aren't enough DAoC fans to fill two games, ZOS would be wise to give up on the heavy PvP focus and just let Camelot Unchained have them. They'd be much more successful if they focused on the massive audience that their chosen IP has anyways.

In the singleplayer market the IP has a massive audience. In the MMO sphere it's an unknown quantity and traditionally PVPers, the actual pvpers not the griefertards you see in WoW PVP servers or the like, are a group of people which will stick to a game longer than most PVEers for less work put in by the devs ergo neglecting one side or the other is a massive handicap though arguably you could say a PVP heavy focus is more forgiving than a PVE heavy one (TORtanic anyone?).

  Qallidexz

Novice Member

Joined: 5/24/12
Posts: 269

 
OP  3/29/13 6:11:05 AM#89
Originally posted by Stizzled

I don't understand what the DAoC fans are all riled up about. Most of you will be playing Camelot Unchained, why even worry about ESO? Would it be such a crime if ESO became something that ES fans might enjoy?

 

There aren't enough DAoC fans to fill two games, ZOS would be wise to give up on the heavy PvP focus and just let Camelot Unchained have them. They'd be much more successful if they focused on the massive audience that their chosen IP has anyways.

 

The PvP-community is larger than you think, or larger than you're pretending it is, and either way, they've also proven to be willing to pay $15 a month for a great PvP-oriented game, something which, so far, very few ES fans have been willing to do, who knows how many will subscribe to ESO? I would guess very few. And anyways, they'll just look wishy-washy and stupid, if they try to change their game focus now anyways.

 

  Caliburn101

Novice Member

Joined: 3/30/11
Posts: 647

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

3/29/13 6:12:22 AM#90
Originally posted by Qallidexz
Originally posted by tkreep
Originally posted by Qallidexz
Originally posted by tkreep
How will that destroy PvP in cyrodil, you can still go there and fight other players of other factions.  Its like saying we cant talk to other people of other factions in real life likie we cant talk to people in the middle east or something lol.

 

This has been explained countless times, if you don't know wtf you're talking about, please refrain from posting... or find this information in another thread. Ty.

I do look at other threads and its pretty much like all the RvR fans want a limited closed game for the sake of their geeky little faction pride thing.

 

LOL. Faction Pride is what drives PvP... Sorry if we don't want to hold hands and pick flowers with the enemy like you little carebears...

Stop using references such as 'little carebears' - try to put together a coherent argument rather than falling back on this lazy dismissive dross.

On topic...

... As a hugely vocal complainant about the faction lock out - even I find the total freedom, cross faction grouping at 80 idea to be a step too far - I much prefer the first option put out by Zenimax - that other faction areas became adventure areas without enemy PCs.

That was a reasonable 'freedom to explore'/'faction pride' compromise with a good chance of working.

This new idea seems overcooked.

  Neherun

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/06/07
Posts: 202

3/29/13 6:13:02 AM#91

I had to check who was going on realm pride rampage here;

 

What's up Qallidex.

 

  Qallidexz

Novice Member

Joined: 5/24/12
Posts: 269

 
OP  3/29/13 6:14:28 AM#92
Originally posted by Caliburn101
Originally posted by Qallidexz
Originally posted by tkreep
Originally posted by Qallidexz
Originally posted by tkreep
How will that destroy PvP in cyrodil, you can still go there and fight other players of other factions.  Its like saying we cant talk to other people of other factions in real life likie we cant talk to people in the middle east or something lol.

 

This has been explained countless times, if you don't know wtf you're talking about, please refrain from posting... or find this information in another thread. Ty.

I do look at other threads and its pretty much like all the RvR fans want a limited closed game for the sake of their geeky little faction pride thing.

 

LOL. Faction Pride is what drives PvP... Sorry if we don't want to hold hands and pick flowers with the enemy like you little carebears...

Stop using references such as 'little carebears' - try to put together a coherent argument rather than falling back on this lazy dross.

On topic...

... As a hugely vocal complainant about the faction lock out - even I find the total freedom , cross faction grouping at 80 idea to be a step to far - I much prefer the first option put out by Zenimax - that other faction areas became adventure areas without enemy PCs.

That was a reasonable 'freedom to explore'/'faction pride' compromise with a good chance of working.

This new idea seems overcooked.

 

Well carebear is the ideal word, but I won't argue the point, since it's refreshing to at least see one of you be reasonable. lol

  Livnthedream

Novice Member

Joined: 3/20/13
Posts: 582

I like this planet, YOU get off!

3/29/13 6:14:46 AM#93
Originally posted by Maelwydd

End of the day, faction pride stems from the player getting passionate about ANY group they belong to. That can be racial, political, social or any other reason the player takes an interest in. Dictated faction pride is simply for those that struggle to think up a reason to enjoy the contest other then the reason the game designers have given you.

Lack of imagination, understanding of the variables that go into any contested situation and laziness are my best guesses for why some people simply want to be spoon fed who to see as the enemy.

 

 The need you seem to feel to insult those who like something different is also uncalled for and dilutes your point. What exactly was the point of the above if not to just insult?

Edit - Oh and just for fun can anyone name a conflict where the opposing forces neither entered their opponents land or didn't communicate before, during or after the conflict. Prizes if anyone can.

But the game is not meant to be realistic. So many things like infinite arrows, no weight, no segregated hit boxes, no weather effects, etc etc all fight against this idea of "realism". What matters is what are the rules that the developers have put forth and the players have agreed to. Afterall what is "real" about completely equal forces in Chess?

http://chroniclesofthenerds.com/nerdfight/

Y U NO FLIP TABLE?!?!?!

  Qallidexz

Novice Member

Joined: 5/24/12
Posts: 269

 
OP  3/29/13 6:15:35 AM#94
Originally posted by Neherun

I had to check who was going on realm pride rampage here;

 

What's up Qallidex.

 

 

Haha, sup... TESOF doesn't deserve to get ALL my rampages, lol. :-P

  Maelwydd

Elite Member

Joined: 2/26/09
Posts: 1061

3/29/13 6:22:32 AM#95
Originally posted by Qallidexz

 

Try playing a decent game, then you'll understand... I don't think I  could explain it to you, based on your level of ignorance, as I've tried time and time again to people who mistakenly share the same viewpoint. lol

I have played many games, including DAOC. If you can't or won't answer my simple questions then that is fine but you have no argument if that is the case and so your comments are worthless.

 

  Qallidexz

Novice Member

Joined: 5/24/12
Posts: 269

 
OP  3/29/13 6:24:43 AM#96
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by Qallidexz

 

Try playing a decent game, then you'll understand... I don't think I  could explain it to you, based on your level of ignorance, as I've tried time and time again to people who mistakenly share the same viewpoint. lol

I have played many games, including DAOC. If you can't or won't answer my simple questions then that is fine but you have no argument if that is the case and so your comments are worthless.

 

 

Wth were your questions? I don't remember even seeing any question marks in the post that I quoted, lol. I will answer them, but I'm about to get some sleep, so depends on when you ask. lol :P 

  Maelwydd

Elite Member

Joined: 2/26/09
Posts: 1061

3/29/13 6:28:38 AM#97
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Originally posted by Maelwydd

End of the day, faction pride stems from the player getting passionate about ANY group they belong to. That can be racial, political, social or any other reason the player takes an interest in. Dictated faction pride is simply for those that struggle to think up a reason to enjoy the contest other then the reason the game designers have given you.

Lack of imagination, understanding of the variables that go into any contested situation and laziness are my best guesses for why some people simply want to be spoon fed who to see as the enemy.

 

 The need you seem to feel to insult those who like something different is also uncalled for and dilutes your point. What exactly was the point of the above if not to just insult?

Edit - Oh and just for fun can anyone name a conflict where the opposing forces neither entered their opponents land or didn't communicate before, during or after the conflict. Prizes if anyone can.

But the game is not meant to be realistic. So many things like infinite arrows, no weight, no segregated hit boxes, no weather effects, etc etc all fight against this idea of "realism". What matters is what are the rules that the developers have put forth and the players have agreed to. Afterall what is "real" about completely equal forces in Chess?

Point 1. Prove me wrong then. It isn't an insult if it is true so point out where it isn't true. Answer my questions. You guys are great and playing the hard done by PvP'ers who no one iunderstands but you have yet to offer ONE solid piece of evidence that proves that faction pride is 100% relient on faction lock. I gave a simple example of EVE having all the passion and drive that means people do all the things you claim faction pride is needed to give so come on, answer the question. It should be simple right?

Point 2 - So when it suites your purpose games are not ment to be realistic (such as communication and land invasions) but when the argument goes against you you turn it around (such as not being able to wander freely around enemy lands during a war). So which is it, does the game need to be realistic so enemies cannot enter enemy territory as a friendly or not?

You guys can't even get your reasons for faction locks and faction pride straight. Quite laughable!

  Maelwydd

Elite Member

Joined: 2/26/09
Posts: 1061

3/29/13 6:30:21 AM#98
Originally posted by Qallidexz

 

 

Wth were your questions? I don't remember even seeing any question marks in the post that I quoted, lol. I will answer them, but I'm about to get some sleep, so depends on when you ask. lol :P 

Serious question post 78.

 

Fun question post 84.

  MyTabbycat

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/19/12
Posts: 300

3/29/13 6:35:23 AM#99

This is Elder Scrolls.

This is NOT DAoC.

The whole faction lock thing upsets many Elder Scrolls fans which will be far more numerous than the DAoC fans that just come along to check out the AvA and don't really care about Elder Scrolls at all.

Any changes that reduce the faction lock is only a good thing in my book.

It has nothing to do with Carebears at all. Stop trying to turn ESO into DAoC2.

  Livnthedream

Novice Member

Joined: 3/20/13
Posts: 582

I like this planet, YOU get off!

3/29/13 6:48:10 AM#100
Originally posted by Maelwydd

Point 1. Prove me wrong then. It isn't an insult if it is true so point out where it isn't true. Answer my questions. You guys are great and playing the hard done by PvP'ers who no one iunderstands but you have yet to offer ONE solid piece of evidence that proves that faction pride is 100% relient on faction lock. I gave a simple example of EVE having all the passion and drive that means people do all the things you claim faction pride is needed to give so come on, answer the question. It should be simple right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_776297&feature=iv&src_vid=uKByBgqxOw4&v=VO6XEQIsCoM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_438609&feature=iv&src_vid=uKByBgqxOw4&v=9X68dm92HVI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBIVlM435Zg

Are a solid start. There are more than a few others that go into it further, but really it comes down to basic psychology, the human brain is wired and trained in certain ways by media and evolution. Giving it the negative connatation in an attempt to discredit it because lets be honest, you are a bleeding heart and a prick is simply not ok.

Point 2 - So when it suites your purpose games are not ment to be realistic (such as communication and land invasions) but when the argument goes against you you turn it around (such as not being able to wander freely around enemy lands during a war). So which is it, does the game need to be realistic so enemies cannot enter enemy territory as a friendly or not?

See "game mechanic delivers certain experience". That is not even always the case as mechanics do not always deliver certain aesthetics, and sometimes the particular aesthetic you want could be better implemented by a different mechanic. As a designer its their job to figure out what kind of game experience they want us to have, then introduce the tools and mechanics to make that happen. I for one are not defending the mechanics themselves, they could just as easily be the wrong ones for the job. I am neither on the team, nor have I played the game so honestly I cannot say either way. I can say though that generally speaking they are in a much better position to judge that than you are. Just like a writer telling a story. Many have great ideas and do not communicate them very well. You are trying to turn the communication method into an entirely different story because you do not like where this one is going, which offends me.

You guys can't even get your reasons for faction locks and faction pride straight. Quite laughable!

Again, do you really want answers to your questions, or do you want to insult and feel like a big guy because you beat a scrub at word games on the internet?

http://chroniclesofthenerds.com/nerdfight/

Y U NO FLIP TABLE?!?!?!

8 Pages First « 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 » Search