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  SBFord

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OP  3/28/13 2:34:37 PM#1

Cash 4 Gear is a new phenomenon creeping into the MMO-space, most notably in Dungeons & Dragons Online. In today's Devil's Advocate, we take a look at the system and offer thoughts as to what it all means. Check it out and then take the discussion to the comments.

Chris Coke, my fellow MMORPG.com columnist on The Tourist, pointed today’s Devil’s Advocate topic to me some time ago, and the topic itself is a little absurd when you first think about it. In the same way that there’s a Cash 4 Gold phenomenon in parts of the world where you can earn money for trading in gold jewelry, the idea of Cash 4 Gear appears to also be making its way into the MMO sphere via Dungeons and Dragons Online (DDO).

Read more of Victor Barreiro Jr.'s The Devil's Advocate: Cash 4 Gear.

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  Po_gg

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3/29/13 12:33:41 PM#2
Originally posted by cronius77
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You must be joking...

 

For the column, nicely written but I miss the mention of STO which has a similar method since about a year now - true not this direct as DDO will have, you exchange dilly and not the items which will / could be much more volatile. But even with the more steady rate there are players who "play the exchange" all the time...

And Neverwinter's astral diamonds?

  Purutzil

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3/29/13 12:36:29 PM#3
They do this now? Well... DDO scratched off the list of games I will never play again...
  Torvaldr

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3/29/13 12:40:46 PM#4

The problem is especially bad with Turbine games because they lock the most sought after items behind raids.  Everything else (crafting) can be purchased through the store.  Overland drops are junk.  This is essentially lining the pockets of raiders. 

Good to see where Turbine thinks their money is.  I wonder how that will play out for them.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Po_gg

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3/29/13 12:41:51 PM#5
Originally posted by Purutzil
They do this now? Well... DDO scratched off the list of games I will never play again...

I admit I seldom play DDO nowadays, so my main concern about this is what both Victor and in the linked article Roger Edwards referred, LotRO and Mithril Coins...

  Livnthedream

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3/29/13 12:49:23 PM#6

This seems relevent here http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

P2w seems rather clearly not bad in and of itself, merely bad depending on implementation, just like any other business model.

 

 

http://chroniclesofthenerds.com/nerdfight/

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  mbeach90266

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3/29/13 12:56:03 PM#7

Neither of these games hold any interest to me.  

But this is interesting in that it's creating a precedence, which could lead other games into doing the same.

I for one am hoping that it doesn't catch on.

  Torvaldr

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3/29/13 12:56:14 PM#8
Originally posted by Po_gg
Originally posted by Purutzil
They do this now? Well... DDO scratched off the list of games I will never play again...

I admit I seldom play DDO nowadays, so my main concern about this is what both Victor and in the linked article Roger Edwards referred, LotRO and Mithril Coins...

I know.  I'm a little frustrated because I know what the answer is going to be.  It seems there is not much to do about it but put up or move on.  Not my favorite kind of deal.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  cronius77

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3/29/13 1:03:53 PM#9
with the recent turbine layoffs I think you can safely say this wont be catching on from other companies anytime soon.  Without server population numbers they can mask their success like SWTOR does but not everyone wants to play a pay to win game , and I would even go as far as to say that most dont want to play a pay to win game. You can look at all the asian grinder games with pay to win pvp and pve and see just how well they do when new articles weekly pretty much show one merging or shutting down.
  Livnthedream

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3/29/13 1:41:56 PM#10
Originally posted by cronius77
with the recent turbine layoffs I think you can safely say this wont be catching on from other companies anytime soon.  Without server population numbers they can mask their success like SWTOR does but not everyone wants to play a pay to win game , and I would even go as far as to say that most dont want to play a pay to win game. You can look at all the asian grinder games with pay to win pvp and pve and see just how well they do when new articles weekly pretty much show one merging or shutting down.

Like I said, look at the link I posted above, the metrics tend to show otherwise, as they should as "p2w" advantages exist in pretty much every sport. Games merging, or closing really depends on many many factors, quality of the games, how the payment model itself is implemented etc.

http://chroniclesofthenerds.com/nerdfight/

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  Strizzy12

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3/29/13 3:37:24 PM#11
Worth noting a cash for gold/gear system similar to this is also happening in Tera as well. 
  sithangel1

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3/29/13 3:38:08 PM#12
I am so tired of people saying this is bad and that is bad but still suckle at the teat. I think that paying for what you want as opposed to getting raped by ninjas and raid monkeys is a better idea. It doesn't break a game or make a game. I would rather pay for a weapon or piece or armor I wanted in a F2P than pay a monthly fee to constantly have someone ninja or roll for something they don't need just to scam you out of your gold coins. Blizzard even had their own people data mining Diablo 3 to get the items and sell them on AH at vastly inflated prices to line their own pockets. So this discussion is a moot point. You don't like it, don't play it. Shut up and let others that want to play that way do so.
  Reizla

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MMORPGs are no longer about the mass multi-user anymore *sadly*

3/29/13 3:56:37 PM#13

A lot of DDO bashing here (LotRo is not doing this described in the article BTW, unless it changed the last year), but I hear no one about EVE online and it's PLEX system. STo was mentioned as well, but all PWI games have this system (sadly). And how about GW2..?

Yes, buying in-game money legally using the publisher is HOT HOT HOT. A certain group of players fall for it (the NOW-generation), and I hope when too many MMOs do it it'll blow over like a lot of trends have done. It'll take time, but eventually we'll be playing  normal again without too much pay2win *I hope*

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  Storman1977

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3/29/13 4:07:02 PM#14
You know the really great thing about the AD system in DDO?  You can completely ignore it.  That's what I've been doing.  Maybe buying Raid gear would piss me off more if there were a PvP system and it gave any meaningful advantage.  As I see it, the "gotta have it now" crowd will buy all the desirable gear from the raid whores and then leave the game since there will be nothing for them to do.  I look at that as a Win/Win.  It adds money to the game and gets the lazy assholes out of the game at the same time.
 

  newchemicals

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3/29/13 4:08:44 PM#15
I'll vote with my wallet and not play "pay to win" type games. No such thing as "free" to play. Someone has to pay and frankly I want the game to cater to me the paying player.
  Aeolron

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3/29/13 4:15:44 PM#16
I agree with you cronius. I was there for Lotr when it was a pay to play game, graphics and lore amazing , but it felt very generic and slow., boring considering what they did. I think that ddo and Lotr will close sometime this year or the next, yet again this is my opinion and the reasons why these games went free to play is because in basic terms they sucked plain and simple, they were missing something.
  DamonVile

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3/29/13 4:27:47 PM#17
When a company really turns pay to win I just stop looking at their upcoming games. There are so many companies, I can pass on ones pulling this crap.

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  reploidx

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3/29/13 5:08:11 PM#18
I got tons of great gear on DDO for free just by doing runs, you can't really pay to win DDO since there is little to no PvP, just doing instanced dungeons.
  Torvaldr

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3/29/13 5:10:00 PM#19
Originally posted by Reizla

A lot of DDO bashing here (LotRo is not doing this described in the article BTW, unless it changed the last year), but I hear no one about EVE online and it's PLEX system. STo was mentioned as well, but all PWI games have this system (sadly). And how about GW2..?

Yes, buying in-game money legally using the publisher is HOT HOT HOT. A certain group of players fall for it (the NOW-generation), and I hope when too many MMOs do it it'll blow over like a lot of trends have done. It'll take time, but eventually we'll be playing  normal again without too much pay2win *I hope*

This is a good post and the Plex, PWE, and GW2 gems systems are very similar, especially the PWE/Cryptic system with their intermediary currency). I'm going to be watching this very closely from now on.

The difference, to me so far, is that in those other games you mentioned most every player has easy access to those items.  The same isn't really true of Turbiine games where the most sought after items are locked squarely behind raiding.  People want 1st age weapons, and top tier raid gear.  The first agers will disappear from the normal AH and only be sold for cash.

 

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  erictlewis

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3/29/13 5:30:38 PM#20

We all seen this comming for well over 2 years now, and for those folks who plat lotro, remember when I told you that lotro would go free to play after ddo did.  Well you are about to see something the same happen in lotro.

Pay to win, it has been on the horizon all the time and Turbine/WB been pushing hard to get folks to accept play to win items.

Just saying I am not surprised. 

 

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