Trending Games | Magerealm | Continent of the Ninth Seal | Wizard101 | Warhammer 40K: Eternal Crusade

    Facebook Twitter YouTube
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,996,075 Users Online:0
Games:837  Posts:6,460,961
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online AD2460 ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Ninja Anime Pirates Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord 2 Archlord X Armored Warfare Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Bionic Marine Command Online Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blackguards 2 Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodborne Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chroma Squad Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crowfall Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Heart Online Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dying Light Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthlock: Festival of Magic Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Fable Legends Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
GRAV GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods Rush Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Hand of Fate Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Immune Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online Kill Strain King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings Era Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Redemption LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Grimrock 2 Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lords of the Fallen 2 Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Hunter 4: Ultimate Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Necropolis Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Nova Genesis Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Oort Online Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Overwatch Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rail Nation Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Rebel Galaxy Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowgate Shadowrun Chronicles Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Conflict Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Stormthrone Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Coast Legends Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Banner Saga 2 The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Trapped Dead: Lockdown Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Triad Wars Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utherous Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Warflare Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warriors World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles 3D Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik Discussion Forums

EVE Online

EVE Online 

Jita (General)  » Has this game gotten less or more ''hardcore'' over the years?

15 posts found

Novice Member

Joined: 1/27/04
Posts: 370

My new motto; Nothing worth saying takes less than a giant wall of (kinda)structured text! :D

OP  3/28/13 1:32:30 PM#1

Or has it generally stayed the same? What do I mean by ''hardcore'' ? Well, not easy to define.

I guess it could be anything from interface, tutorial and accesibility, all the way to death penalties, how they are implemented, more or less solo friendly, how easy it is to gain ''levels'' (I know, EVE doesnt necessarily have them, we've got skills instead) and money etcatera (use your imagination).

Just a reminder; I am NOT asserting that the game has moved to either tip of these polar opposites, INSTEAD, im asking YOU about what u think of it. 

Thx in advance for any possible answers.

  User Deleted
3/28/13 1:48:10 PM#2

Certain things have become a bit more intuitive over the years (especially scanning), but the game's overall learning curve is still pretty much the same. The tutorial is definitely better though, and the addition of starter agents to give missions which acclimate people to certain professions as well as giving out money, equipment, and ships, make the first week or so much easier.

Fanbase is still very opposed to change though, and CCP still lets large groups of players such as the Goons pretty much dictate company policy (insofar as EVE is involved) which is why I don't play anymore.


Novice Member

Joined: 7/15/05
Posts: 697

DaZeD aNd AmUsEd

3/28/13 2:01:01 PM#3

I'll say that the learning curve has decreased considerably since the early days.  I'd still describe it as one of the more "hardcore" games out there though.  As a 6.5 year veteran I still have 0 knowledge of the Industry side (Mining, Production, Research, etc) of the game.  0 Knowledge of how that shit works after all this time.  And hell, I'm still no expert at the parts of the game I DO know about...  =)

But lets hit this point by point:

Is EVE still the same level of Hardcore as it always was?  IMO, yes.

Interface:  Improved significantly, still a bit clunky.

Tutorial and Accesibility: OMFG Insanely improved

Death Penalties:  Still the same, still harsh, still pretty damn good (imo)

Solo Friendly:  Soloable?  Sure, Solo Friendly?  Well, it's designed to be a multiplayer game and I think that while you can play solo you miss out on a larger portion of what makes this game fun and you end up getting bored quick

"Level" Gain:  Hasn't changed, still real-time based.  Each skill still maxes at Level 5 so you can always catch up to Vets in that regard.  CCP just keeps adding more of them...  :p

Money:  They've added so many methods to making ISK now

Fanbase: Heh, just check all the rants that take place here on this NOT their official site.  Should splain enough.

CCP letting Goons dictate:  Meh, fuck null - I don't go out there, don't care for the politics and, from what I can tell, that whole 0.0 Sov BS is still the same as it ever was.

annnd done.

GL HF Fly Safe,



Spotlight Poster

Joined: 4/30/08
Posts: 1244

Reason is a necessity

3/28/13 2:02:03 PM#4
Last I checked a month or two ago, this game is still for those hardcore players. If your a new player coming in to Eve you are at a severe disadvantage due to their real-time skill aquiring system. You would have to devote a lot of time to stand a chance in 0 space.

Novice Member

Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 1064

3/28/13 2:45:03 PM#5

EvE has definately gotten less hardcore over the years, due to the introduction of alot of stuff that makes it easier for the players.

Jumpbridges and jumpfreighter for example made the game alot less hardcore imho, as it's now possible for a handful of people to do all the maintenance of POS and 0.0-assets, where there was lot's more time and and players required before that.

But that's just the one thing that bugs me the most actually. There have been lots of changes over time that made the game less hardcore and more casual-friendly.


Hard Core Member

Joined: 9/26/04
Posts: 3591

3/28/13 3:24:34 PM#6
Originally posted by DalekThay

Certain things have become a bit more intuitive over the years (especially scanning), but the game's overall learning curve is still pretty much the same. The tutorial is definitely better though, and the addition of starter agents to give missions which acclimate people to certain professions as well as giving out money, equipment, and ships, make the first week or so much easier.

Fanbase is still very opposed to change though, and CCP still lets large groups of players such as the Goons pretty much dictate company policy (insofar as EVE is involved) which is why I don't play anymore.

CCP doesn't let player corps "pretty much dictate company policy", lol


If that was the case, hisec would've been abolished years ago ! 


The Goons will be dethroned at some point. That's the way of EVE. Many vast empires have come and gone in that galaxy since 2003...


Advanced Member

Joined: 1/30/07
Posts: 283

4/14/13 5:39:52 PM#7
Originally posted by Yalexy

EvE has definately gotten less hardcore over the years, due to the introduction of alot of stuff that makes it easier for the players.

Jumpbridges and jumpfreighter for example made the game alot less hardcore imho, as it's now possible for a handful of people to do all the maintenance of POS and 0.0-assets, where there was lot's more time and and players required before that.

But that's just the one thing that bugs me the most actually. There have been lots of changes over time that made the game less hardcore and more casual-friendly.



Ill add another dimension to this ,eve online is managed by new player surveys since 2006 , a lot of things removed or added after survey results ; learning skills removed and attribute reset ,skill queee added etc. to bring new players .


Elite Member

Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 13412

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ArcheAge, and Combat Arms

4/14/13 5:55:05 PM#8
Originally posted by Yalexy

EvE has definately gotten less hardcore over the years, due to the introduction of alot of stuff that makes it easier for the players.

It depends on one's measure of 'hardcore'. It's definitely far less hard to use and far less hard to understand. If those are your measure, it's certainly less 'hardcore'. The risk and challenge are still present and, if anything, with the greater transparency as to flagging (Crimewatch) and the changes in the bounty system in Retribution, there's actually more risk because there's more accountability thus making it more 'hardcore' than ever before if that is one's gauge.

There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein


Novice Member

Joined: 3/02/07
Posts: 1432

4/15/13 5:52:21 AM#9

I define 'hardcore' as: Any game where the endgame requires over 1 hour of gameplay on a regular basis, normally every day or every other day.


The endgame in Eve is easily hardcore by this definition because fleet actions take on average 2 hours.


PvE activity isn't hardcore though, but I don't think the PvE content in Eve is quite good enough to keep people subscribing for more than a few months.


Novice Member

Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 3217

"A very special kind of stupidity"

4/15/13 7:11:31 AM#10
A confusing, obscure interface doesn't make a game hardcore. It just makes it a game with a bad interface.

Give me liberty or give me lasers



Joined: 10/04/06
Posts: 1790

A Good Sandbox isn't about your characters abilities. It's about the players ability.

4/15/13 7:40:58 AM#11

It's not the hardcore game it once was, when every gate was a death trap, and people made and sold bookmarks for ISK. Still, it's today's most successful hardcore MMO. Being hardcore in its self isn't something a game should strive to be. In 2004, was EVE hardcore or was it featureless.?  It was both. 

Games strive to hold on to players and add to their player base. This means adding new and better content .  EVE has done this better than any hardcore game.


Novice Member

Joined: 3/02/07
Posts: 1432

4/15/13 9:05:15 AM#12

The biggest problem with Eve/DUST is that the amount of fun you get out of these games is directly proportional to the time you invest in them. This is ok for PvP, but not for PvE.


In other words, what Eve and DUST lack is a PvE system that keeps being fun without requiring you to be hardcore.


Most people go through periods in their lives when they can afford to be hardcore players and when they can't afford to be hardcore players. For example, students who can only play very occasionally during exam time, but can be hardcore during the holiday afterwards.


However, I can't really think of a single game that satisfies both situations.

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/22/13
Posts: 63

4/15/13 9:33:47 AM#13

The entry is easier, it's easier to have fun with different activities (in high sec).
If you are a pet, and play _for the big corp / ally you join, it's also easy to get a nice place in low / 0.0.

However the metagame got ridiculous and with how the local works, space got tiny.
Everywhere you go there will be dozens of 24/7 spy bots, cyno alt accounts for hotblobs etc.

If you are into exploration in low / 0.0 or wormholes and like to play with friends, this will not work unless you are willing to plex multiple accounts each of you. - off gridboosting etc, and naturally the alert bot (trial account) which rings when certain players enter local.

Well there is a tiny chance to find a place and corp (or create one yourself) to enjoy pvp roaming and such. But it's a steep uphill battle.

The average setup requires this: Cyno pilot character, offgrid boosting legion / etc, carrier pilot and your logi / damage ship. For roaming you want at least an tackler alt and a local spy. And don't forget the dread for siege times.

I honestly don't know anyone who plays eve seriously and does not have at least 3+ accounts, with multiple characters each.

That's pretty hardcore if you ask me.

You can always fit a cheap cruiser / frigate and go out on your own, but that equals fishing for pvp in a starting area of a fantasy mmo. (if you are into that sort of stuff)

But you won't get along with just one account (with one trained character or some low SP alts) with anything that is bigger than running (boring) lvl4 missions in a BattleShip solo in highsec.

Sooner or later you get sick of relogging every 3 minutes just to be sure not to warp into a camped gate.

Playing: EVE Online
Wants to play: ArcheAge, Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance / Star Citizen / FFXIV AAR / Neverwinter

Used to play for 5+ years: Lineage 2, Lord of the Rings Online and Ragnarok Online

Utter disappointing MMO experience for 1 - 3 Months:
WAR / AoC / SWTOR / RIFT / AION / STO / TSW / GW2 / GW / Vanguard / Planetside2


Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/29/05
Posts: 376

4/19/13 1:01:01 AM#14

I could make bullet points that went on for pages describing how much easier this game has become since I came back to it in 2005.

So much has changed that if someone who played in 2005 came back to it today (with a really good memory), then they literally wouldn't have any clue what they were doing outside of traveling from one point to another, and even that would feel odd to them.


Advanced Member

Joined: 7/19/11
Posts: 784

4/19/13 1:22:52 AM#15

EvE has become less hardcore, in the same way that Mussolini or Franco were better leaders than Stalin. The were still fascist dictators, and EvE can still grind people up and spit them out. 

One thing, and this is just my opion but... If you're really looking for hardcore, yuou need to remove 'more or less solo friendly' from your list. I don't think the two things match. I do think something can be hardcore and have 'solo possibility,' but the friendly to me suggest success by yourself without applying a terrible amount of effort.