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OP  3/28/13 11:52:04 AM#1
I feel that it makes since that the reason why P2P does not work for today's gamers is for one reason only and it is all Blizz fault. Why?

Good question. Lets go back to vanilla WoW the game made you progress in a story line that was entertaining. It focus on enhancing our game play as we leveled up we were introduce to end game that keep us all coming back for years. End of story since we all here know the rest. That was what 8 or 9 years ago. Lets fast forward to today's games.

Today:

Yes game graphics are nice and we have faster computer but that is not the issue. The issue lies with the DEVS of todays games and I also blame the hyper active kids that play MMO games today. For you see that today's games get made with DEVS thinking that only hyper active kids play MMO anymore and they are sadly wrong.

A Fluke:

Vanilla WoW was a fluke nothing more nothing less and it just so happened that it was a sub game and sub games were the norm back in the day. Why?

Good question. Because back in the day we did not have a ton of crap MMO games that had to keep up money wise. We had high quality gaming that gave us endless hours of entertainment. End of story.

If gamers say that P2P is gone. If they are right then this will be sad for that would mean that high quality gaming would be gone also.

Oh yes I know I did say for one reason and it was Blizz fault. Well if you think about it all these other reasons can be summed up to being Blizz fault also. They help contribute to the down fall of MMO gaming with WoW.

We need a new leader in MMO gaming. I hope a gaming company can step up to the plate soon or it will be to late. Im sick and tired of talking about a game that was in its prime 8 or 9 years ago. I want to talk in a few years from now about Vanilla (insert game title here)

  aleos

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3/28/13 12:24:56 PM#2

Subs dont work for mmos today particularly because the games quite frankly just arent good. No one is going to pay a monthly fee for something that isnt good lol. I mean theres no need for any type of advanced long drawn out explanation. Thats what it is.

also.. this guy 

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/7u16q6/the-final-bosman-lazy-rich-people-are-ruining-games

  Reskaillev

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It's vaporware!

3/28/13 12:27:14 PM#3
Originally posted by Isturi

I feel that it makes since that the reason why P2P does not work for today's gamers is for one reason only and it is all Blizz fault. Why?

Good question. Lets go back to vanilla WoW the game made you progress in a story line that was entertaining. It focus on enhancing our game play as we leveled up we were introduce to end game that keep us all comming back for years. End of story since we all here know the rest. That was what 8 or 9 years ago. Lets fast forwad to todays games.

Today:

Yes game graphics are nice and we have faster computer but that is not the issue. The issue lies with the DEVS of todays games and I also blame the hyper active kids that play MMO games today. For you see that todays games get made with DEVS thinking that only hyper active kids play MMO anymore and they are sadly wrong.

A Fluke:

Vanilla WoW was a fluke nothing more nothing less and it just so happend that it was a sub game and sub games were the norm back in the day. Why?

Good question. Because back in the day we did not have a ton of crap MMO games that had to keep up money wise. We had high quality gaming that gave us endless hours of entertainment. End of story.

If gamesr say that P2P is gone. If they are right then this will be sad for that would mean that high quality gaming would be gone also.

Oh yes I know I did say for one reason and it was Blizz fault. Well if you think about it all these other reasons can be summed up to being Blizz fault also. They help contribute to the down fall of MMO gaming with WoW.

We need a new leader in MMO gaming. I hope a gaming company can step up to the plate soon or it will be to late. Im sick and tired of talking about a game that was in its prime 8 or 9 years ago. I want to talk in a few years from now about Vanilla (insert game title here)

I think you might have a case of:

Please check the nearest medical institution for some dose of realism.

 

These days ALL mmos are made by cash-grabbing and villainous devs who only want to make their game into an object of suffering and despair. The only demographic they aim for are 12-year old spoiled kids that want instant goodies and this makes ALL recent mmos DUMB and STUPID!

 

OR IS IT?... (*drums*)

Maybe the sense of wonder and amazement that you had in your youth shriveled away like a raisin and the result is a nostalgic MrScrooge that is blind for the fact that games changed for the better?

"Isn't a raid plundering villages in WoW or something like that?" - Robert Desable

  nerovipus32

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3/28/13 12:30:20 PM#4
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Basicgear

Your argument is weak if that. I don't have any respect for your banter. I feel guilty for responding to your thread at all.

 

P2P does work for some gamers. Just like any other service, if you feel the cost is warranted then you will pay. Besides the obvious reason of people declining P2P (which is P2P means paying more money), another good reason might be that the games that have released P2P did not bring enough to the table to warrant the cost. That is why they lost subs and why the transitioned to a different model, not because WoW made us hate P2P.

 

People want a unique experience with the bells and whistles, they are willing to pay for that.

 

What made me rage was the whole post but specifically here:

"Oh yes I know I did say for one reason and it was Blizz fault. Well if you think about it all these other reasons can be summed up to being Blizz fault also. They help contribute to the down fall of MMO gaming with WoW."

In these three sentences you provide no substance what so ever.

 

I just ask that you think before speaking, forever and always. Or GTFO.

Sorry you feel this way dude. But it is Blizz fault because they lead and all other games follow. I want a new leader a inovated one.

No game since WoW has actually copied WoW. Thats the problem.

Every game since wow has copied wow that's the problem.

  Waterlily

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3/28/13 12:31:35 PM#5
Originally posted by aleos

Subs dont work for mmos today particularly because the games quite frankly just arent good.

This is the chicken and egg argument.

If you look at what happened in China, they never had P2P MMO, all MMO there are F2P with very rare exceptions. This created the bad quality MMO, because a F2P company has to compete with other F2P companies and it's a race to the bottom to keep up.

In China an average MMO lasts 4 months and most of the servers get shut down, this is what is going to happen in the West and it's already happening, F2P MMO do not last, they die and get replaced just like single player games. This system creates the most amount of revenue for the developer.

  deniter

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Posts: 533

3/28/13 12:32:29 PM#6

Vanilla WoW + TBC was one of the best games I've ever played in my 25+ year gaming career, then came Cata + MoP that are like worst garbage I could imagine when it comes to MMORPG. I'd still pay for access to vanilla / TBC WoW server. So yes, vanilla WoW is kind of the reason it's hard to justify a sub fee in these new games.

I'm hoping the next leader is SOE with their EQ Next -game. If not, I'll probably play Wildstar and Repopulation while waiting something great to emerge.

  User Deleted
 
OP  3/28/13 12:32:36 PM#7
Originally posted by Reskaillev
Originally posted by Isturi

I feel that it makes since that the reason why P2P does not work for today's gamers is for one reason only and it is all Blizz fault. Why?

Good question. Lets go back to vanilla WoW the game made you progress in a story line that was entertaining. It focus on enhancing our game play as we leveled up we were introduce to end game that keep us all comming back for years. End of story since we all here know the rest. That was what 8 or 9 years ago. Lets fast forwad to todays games.

Today:

Yes game graphics are nice and we have faster computer but that is not the issue. The issue lies with the DEVS of todays games and I also blame the hyper active kids that play MMO games today. For you see that todays games get made with DEVS thinking that only hyper active kids play MMO anymore and they are sadly wrong.

A Fluke:

Vanilla WoW was a fluke nothing more nothing less and it just so happend that it was a sub game and sub games were the norm back in the day. Why?

Good question. Because back in the day we did not have a ton of crap MMO games that had to keep up money wise. We had high quality gaming that gave us endless hours of entertainment. End of story.

If gamesr say that P2P is gone. If they are right then this will be sad for that would mean that high quality gaming would be gone also.

Oh yes I know I did say for one reason and it was Blizz fault. Well if you think about it all these other reasons can be summed up to being Blizz fault also. They help contribute to the down fall of MMO gaming with WoW.

We need a new leader in MMO gaming. I hope a gaming company can step up to the plate soon or it will be to late. Im sick and tired of talking about a game that was in its prime 8 or 9 years ago. I want to talk in a few years from now about Vanilla (insert game title here)

I think you might have a case of:

Please check the nearest medical institution for some dose of realism.

 

These days ALL mmos are made by cash-grabbing and villainous devs who only want to make their game into an object of suffering and despair. The only demographic they aim for are 12-year old spoiled kids that want instant goodies and this makes ALL recent mmos DUMB and STUPID!

 

OR IS IT?... (*drums*)

Maybe the sense of wonder and amazement that you had in your youth shriveled away like a raisin and the result is a nostalgic MrScrooge that is blind for the fact that games changed for the better?

Every kid has mispent youth. i played quality MMO's when I was younger. But as for changing for the better name one game that stood up to WoW?

  mithoss

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3/28/13 12:33:18 PM#8
WoW was a fluke...ah yes, that must be it. I always thought WoW was successfull because it was masterfully combining the best aspects of other mmorpgs. Oh and that painterly graphics charm and the insanely rich lore were also flukes.
  nerovipus32

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3/28/13 12:35:42 PM#9
Originally posted by mithoss
WoW was a fluke...ah yes, that must be it. I always thought WoW was successfull because it was masterfully combining the best aspects of other mmorpgs. Oh and that painterly graphics charm and the insanely rich lore were also flukes.

rich lore bumped off from warhammer.

  User Deleted
 
OP  3/28/13 12:35:45 PM#10
Originally posted by mithoss
WoW was a fluke...ah yes, that must be it. I always thought WoW was successfull because it was masterfully combining the best aspects of other mmorpgs. Oh and that painterly graphics charm and the insanely rich lore were also flukes.

Agree 100 percent. TY It seems no other MMO has duplicated that to the success tha WoW has.

  Sovrath

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3/28/13 12:40:32 PM#11
Originally posted by aleos

Subs dont work for mmos today particularly because the games quite frankly just arent good. No one is going to pay a monthly fee for something that isnt good lol. I mean theres no need for any type of advanced long drawn out explanation. Thats what it is.

also.. this guy 

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/7u16q6/the-final-bosman-lazy-rich-people-are-ruining-games

I think you have the right of it for the most part.

Though I wouldn't say it isn't because they aren't good. I would say it is because they "aren't good enough".

People will play them but there isn't a lot of reason to keep playing them for the length of time that they used to play them.

On top of that there is an influx of people who aren't looking to stay in these games for years and are content to play a few months and try something hew.

  aleos

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Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.

3/28/13 12:41:06 PM#12
Originally posted by Waterlily
Originally posted by aleos

Subs dont work for mmos today particularly because the games quite frankly just arent good.

This is the chicken and egg argument.

If you look at what happened in China, they never had P2P MMO, all MMO there are F2P with very rare exceptions. This created the bad quality MMO, because a F2P company has to compete with other F2P companies and it's a race to the bottom to keep up.

In China an average MMO lasts 4 months and most of the servers get shut down, this is what is going to happen in the West and it's already happening, F2P MMO do not last, they die and get replaced just like single player games. This system creates the most amount of revenue for the developer.

So.... thanks for proving my point..? 

  Waterlily

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3/28/13 12:45:49 PM#13
Originally posted by aleos
Originally posted by Waterlily
Originally posted by aleos

Subs dont work for mmos today particularly because the games quite frankly just arent good.

This is the chicken and egg argument.

If you look at what happened in China, they never had P2P MMO, all MMO there are F2P with very rare exceptions. This created the bad quality MMO, because a F2P company has to compete with other F2P companies and it's a race to the bottom to keep up.

In China an average MMO lasts 4 months and most of the servers get shut down, this is what is going to happen in the West and it's already happening, F2P MMO do not last, they die and get replaced just like single player games. This system creates the most amount of revenue for the developer.

So.... thanks for proving my point..? 

We disagree on a fundamental basis.

You're saying F2P is the result of bad games.

I'm saying bad games is the result of F2P.

  asmkm22

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3/28/13 12:46:30 PM#14

The only reason subs don't "work" is because publishers won't support a game that can't sustain 1+ million subs, an expectation that was indeed set with WoW but has nothing to do with game design.  Publishers want the cashcow flow of regular income through either subscriptions (WoW), yearly releases (Call of Duty or any sports franchise), or both (So-called season passes to yearly release games).

If they can't fit the game into one of those three models, then they resort to the Casino model, which is basically a cash shop with some sort of gambling hook built into it (GW2 lockbox keys, SWtOR cartel packs, etc).

You make me like charity

  Quizzical

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3/28/13 12:46:42 PM#15
Originally posted by Isturi
Lets go back to vanilla WoW the game made you progress in a story line that was entertaining. It focus on enhancing our game play as we leveled up we were introduce to end game that keep us all coming back for years.

Vanilla WoW was a fluke nothing more nothing less and it just so happened that it was a sub game and sub games were the norm back in the day. Why?

On the first point, I'm not sure what you're talking about, but it certainly isn't vanilla WoW.  A thousand walls of quest text that have little in common doesn't add up to a storyline, even if occasionally it strings together three or four related quests in a sequence.

For the second, Internet bandwidth used to be very expensive.  If you're spending $3/month per player on bandwidth alone and your average player only pays $2/month because it's "free to play" and he doesn't pay anything, then you have a problem.  If you're spending $0.10/month per player on bandwidth, then a "free to play" model looks more attractive.  Bandwidth probably wasn't still that expensive by the time WoW launched, but earlier, it had been.

  aleos

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3/28/13 12:48:21 PM#16
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by aleos

Subs dont work for mmos today particularly because the games quite frankly just arent good. No one is going to pay a monthly fee for something that isnt good lol. I mean theres no need for any type of advanced long drawn out explanation. Thats what it is.

also.. this guy 

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/7u16q6/the-final-bosman-lazy-rich-people-are-ruining-games

I think you have the right of it for the most part.

Though I wouldn't say it isn't because they aren't good. I would say it is because they "aren't good enough".

People will play them but there isn't a lot of reason to keep playing them for the length of time that they used to play them.

On top of that there is an influx of people who aren't looking to stay in these games for years and are content to play a few months and try something hew.

Generally the F2P model is just the outright bare bones. Enough to call it an MMO and just enough to charge you for it. Enough to get the people that only stay a few months at a time to pass through and drop a few dollars.

Epiphany

Target audiance for MMORPG's = Tourists

  Wizardry

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3/28/13 12:52:08 PM#17

Subs still work,i play two games right now both subbed Eq2 and FFXI.

It works if the developer and the players think it is just.In case of GW2,it was more them tooting  their own horn and bragging about it,but in reality they knew their game did not merit a sub.

I did see one comment by a GW2 rep that did make sense and imo is the factual truth to it all.He basically said that they went f2p because it would take a MUCH better effort to warrant the sub.Meaning that a slight better effort would not warrant one.

That is sort of in a round about way saying he knows GW2 is not top of the heap but it is when considering the no sub.IMO it is a nice argument,but also IMO i NEVER  judge a game by it's sub fee,i jusdge by it's worth.It just so happens that every f2p game is very weak in total depth and content and systems,so i usually am skeptical about f2p before i even enter the game.

PS trying  to fix so many typing errors so the grammar police don't complain .../sigh.My keyboard plain sucks,sometimes prints out letters 3 seconds late,so words end up all muffled.

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  Aelious

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3/28/13 12:52:27 PM#18
Originally posted by Waterlily
Originally posted by aleos
Originally posted by Waterlily
Originally posted by aleos

Subs dont work for mmos today particularly because the games quite frankly just arent good.

This is the chicken and egg argument.

If you look at what happened in China, they never had P2P MMO, all MMO there are F2P with very rare exceptions. This created the bad quality MMO, because a F2P company has to compete with other F2P companies and it's a race to the bottom to keep up.

In China an average MMO lasts 4 months and most of the servers get shut down, this is what is going to happen in the West and it's already happening, F2P MMO do not last, they die and get replaced just like single player games. This system creates the most amount of revenue for the developer.

So.... thanks for proving my point..? 

We disagree on a fundamental basis.

You're saying F2P is the result of bad games.

I'm saying bad games is the result of F2P.

 

F2P here in the west with previsouly P2P titles happened because over time there were simply more simlar titles than players to Pay to play them.  Each company created their own "WoW like" game apart from one another or they probably wouldn't have without changing some aspects.  Even though the MMO industry is relatively new the wake of WoW sucess has not yet died down.

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  firefly2003

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3/28/13 12:55:03 PM#19
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Basicgear

Your argument is weak if that. I don't have any respect for your banter. I feel guilty for responding to your thread at all.

 

P2P does work for some gamers. Just like any other service, if you feel the cost is warranted then you will pay. Besides the obvious reason of people declining P2P (which is P2P means paying more money), another good reason might be that the games that have released P2P did not bring enough to the table to warrant the cost. That is why they lost subs and why the transitioned to a different model, not because WoW made us hate P2P.

 

People want a unique experience with the bells and whistles, they are willing to pay for that.

 

What made me rage was the whole post but specifically here:

"Oh yes I know I did say for one reason and it was Blizz fault. Well if you think about it all these other reasons can be summed up to being Blizz fault also. They help contribute to the down fall of MMO gaming with WoW."

In these three sentences you provide no substance what so ever.

 

I just ask that you think before speaking, forever and always. Or GTFO.

Sorry you feel this way dude. But it is Blizz fault because they lead and all other games follow. I want a new leader a inovated one.

No game since WoW has actually copied WoW. Thats the problem.

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  aleos

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3/28/13 12:56:47 PM#20
Originally posted by Waterlily
Originally posted by aleos
Originally posted by Waterlily
Originally posted by aleos

Subs dont work for mmos today particularly because the games quite frankly just arent good.

This is the chicken and egg argument.

If you look at what happened in China, they never had P2P MMO, all MMO there are F2P with very rare exceptions. This created the bad quality MMO, because a F2P company has to compete with other F2P companies and it's a race to the bottom to keep up.

In China an average MMO lasts 4 months and most of the servers get shut down, this is what is going to happen in the West and it's already happening, F2P MMO do not last, they die and get replaced just like single player games. This system creates the most amount of revenue for the developer.

So.... thanks for proving my point..? 

We disagree on a fundamental basis.

You're saying F2P is the result of bad games.

I'm saying bad games is the result of F2P.

Free to Play is the result of bad games when we are talking about Subscription based gaming.

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