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  Agent_Joseph

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3/28/13 8:30:35 AM#81
i am not noticed any inovation in game but, I dont care for inovations ,game is great for an  shooter MMO !

only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW

  DMKano

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3/28/13 9:13:30 AM#82
Originally posted by oubers
Originally posted by SysFail
Trion have to be applaued for creating an MMO with FPS combat. If it's successful, then the flood gates might just open with other major dev houses creating games that aren't the usual tab target yawn fest.

i think Blizzards new "MMO" (aka titan) will be something like this that will blow people away (at least the hype will blow people away :p ) hehe.

 

If you only knew how close your prediction really is. Just remember this post a couple of years down the road :)

I know nothing, but Blizzard has always been great at taking ideas from other games and making them mass appeal friendly.

  ElRenmazuo

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3/28/13 11:06:11 AM#83
Originally posted by fallenlords
At last the genre has taken a step forward - here we have an MMO releasing on all major gaming platforms and coinciding with a TV series release.   The scope of what is trying to be achieved here is massive compared to what has been done recently. 

 

I am playing the beta on Xbox and loving it, no major issues apart from a bit of lag during an Arkfall event.  All things considered it's a top game.  Of course PC players might feel short changed to the technology limitations of the current batch of consoles. And the game in itself  is a typical MMO - but really its kudos to Trion and Syfy for the convergence of the technologies and media.

 

Next step should be an MMO with cross platform integration - but I doubt that will ever happen.   Perhaps it's not a bad thing to keep console and PC players apart.

Final Fantasy 11 already did cross plarform integration since early 2000 with PC/360/PS2 so i guess it would be a step backwards.

  Gravarg

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3/28/13 11:13:50 AM#84

It's not going to be cross platform.  Because sony and microsoft don't want to play nice...that is exactly why I'll never buy another console.  One side says "Oh we have this game and that game, your games all suck".  The other side says the same thing, then says "the games we do share publishers have to pay alot extra and our console is better than yours blah blah blah".  Console's are a dying form.  The future is Mobile and PC.  Since Mobile is more open to mixing with PC.

 

Not to mention the quality of consoles.  If you have a gen 1 xbox 360 or ps3 that still works, you got lucky.  I got two PCs that date back to the Sega Genesis era...they still run if I plugged em in today lol.

  ElRenmazuo

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3/28/13 11:27:33 AM#85
Originally posted by Gravarg

It's not going to be cross platform.  Because sony and microsoft don't want to play nice...that is exactly why I'll never buy another console.  One side says "Oh we have this game and that game, your games all suck".  The other side says the same thing, then says "the games we do share publishers have to pay alot extra and our console is better than yours blah blah blah".  Console's are a dying form.  The future is Mobile and PC.  Since Mobile is more open to mixing with PC.

 

Not to mention the quality of consoles.  If you have a gen 1 xbox 360 or ps3 that still works, you got lucky.  I got two PCs that date back to the Sega Genesis era...they still run if I plugged em in today lol.

I still have my PS3 since it wat released and how are consoles dying form when they are announcing the next gen of consoles with some realy cool exclusive games like watch dogs.  Sorry you never had the chance to play Metal Gear or Zelda series and that your going to miss out on other exclusives like The Last of Us.  And they just announced Metal Gear 5 too oh well.  Im sorry I like playing games on PC too but consoles have had way better exclusives than PC ever did.

  fallenlords

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OP  3/28/13 12:43:27 PM#86
Originally posted by Gravarg

It's not going to be cross platform.  Because sony and microsoft don't want to play nice...that is exactly why I'll never buy another console.  One side says "Oh we have this game and that game, your games all suck".  The other side says the same thing, then says "the games we do share publishers have to pay alot extra and our console is better than yours blah blah blah".  Console's are a dying form.  The future is Mobile and PC.  Since Mobile is more open to mixing with PC.

 

Not to mention the quality of consoles.  If you have a gen 1 xbox 360 or ps3 that still works, you got lucky.  I got two PCs that date back to the Sega Genesis era...they still run if I plugged em in today lol.

If you take a game like Skyrim only 14% of the 10 million sold was on PC.   The rest was on console.  MMO's are really what prop up the PC market.  If they make a better transition to console, bearing in mind the new round of consoles, well I am not so sure about the future of PC gaming.  It may benefit from this transitional console stage but then as a whole it seems in a state of disarray.   Do you go PC Linux based gaming, do you wait for Valves box, do throw your hat in with Nvidia.  Valve seem to think Windows 8 is the death of PC gaming, so it's anybodies guess as to where things are heading.

  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

3/28/13 1:33:47 PM#87

Sadly it shows the lack of gaming knowledge outside th N.American advertising realm.

 Square Enix beat these guys by like 10 years.They released it on PS2 and PC almost 10 years ago and  Xbox came out later in 2006.

FF also released Advent Children in 2005,albeit is not a hi tech movie,it is animation.

You need to understand something else,TRION is doing  SMALL things with THEIR money,they are backed by an absolute GIANT in Time Warner.So when we judge the movie aspect,think Time Warner,NOT Trion.

Trion is not just relying on Time Warner either,they have a few other large Entities supporting them,basically handing them money.It really does matter becuase when you invest in yoru own project,it really proves yo uhave confidence in your own work.

I was actually hoping the OP had something to share on the THREAD title,i thought it had to do with innovation in gaming .

Until i see better, i see Archeage as being the most complete and most innovation in a long long time.

 

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  r3dl4nce

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Joined: 8/29/07
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3/28/13 1:53:39 PM#88


Originally posted by Wizardry
Until i see better, i see Archeage as being the most complete and most innovation in a long long time.
 

Arhceage = farmville (archeville) + tab-1-2-3 combat

oh yes, very innovative LOL

  azzamasin

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3/29/13 2:36:40 AM#89
Originally posted by cm01
There's no gaming innovation here. Basically a lobbyless shooter with a TV show counterpart. The game itself lacks content and progression and will not retain any sizable playerbase.

Yup, total linear gameplay complete with boring questing.  Hardly any innovation whatsoever.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  r3dl4nce

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3/29/13 3:39:43 AM#90


Originally posted by azzamasin
Yup, total linear gameplay complete with boring questing.  Hardly any innovation whatsoever.
 
So every shooter has a linear gameplay: you shoot to kill things. Hey, every MMORPG have a linear gameplay: you press some buttons to kill things. Lol.

Defiance have a nice storyline, the "boring questing" is often interrupted by dynamic events, arkfall, time trial, hotshots, you can sign in for Shadow War in your zone, and so on. More than this, I don't know what "non linear gameplay" you expect from a MMO...

  azzamasin

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3/29/13 12:49:07 PM#91
Originally posted by r3dl4nce

 


Originally posted by azzamasin
Yup, total linear gameplay complete with boring questing.  Hardly any innovation whatsoever.

 
So every shooter has a linear gameplay: you shoot to kill things. Hey, every MMORPG have a linear gameplay: you press some buttons to kill things. Lol.

 

Defiance have a nice storyline, the "boring questing" is often interrupted by dynamic events, arkfall, time trial, hotshots, you can sign in for Shadow War in your zone, and so on. More than this, I don't know what "non linear gameplay" you expect from a MMO...

LOL well I dont know what to tell you, not everyone wants to be told where to go and to do it and be lef by the hand from creation to cap.

 

That scenario you described is exactly why the MMO market is stagnant and msot games have a shelve life of about 1-3 months.

 

Check for games like Just Cause 2, Skyrim, UO, Asheron's Call, Eve and GW2 for sources for non linear gameplay.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  r3dl4nce

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3/29/13 1:00:33 PM#92


Originally posted by azzamasin
LOL well I dont know what to tell you, not everyone wants to be told where to go and to do it and be lef by the hand from creation to cap.

Hey. It's working this way in ANY single theme park MMORPG. In Defiance, being a PvE game, you have a storyline to follow, but you must not follow it. You can get exp by doing PvP, coop, arkfalls, so you are not FORCED to do the storyline.
So you are wrong



Originally posted by azzamasin
Check for games like Just Cause 2, Skyrim, UO, Asheron's Call, Eve and GW2 for sources for non linear gameplay.
 
Let's see, you are naming a single player game (Skyrim) that have nothing to do with MMO, a sandbox game and a classic theme park GW2 (I played gw2 for 2 months, it's the classic theme park where you farm levels and items).
Defiance has aspects of MMOs (not of theme parks, lucky, no fixed classes, no fixed roles, no gear grinding) but it's a shooter in primis.

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