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  Karteli

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3/25/13 9:04:12 PM#141

I guess that was the real Special Announcement.  3 more servers closing.

 

It was probably planned for some time, since if I recall those servers were the ones never upgraded.  Why upgrade them if they are going to be recycled for scrap.

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  Instigator-Jones

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3/25/13 11:25:48 PM#142
Originally posted by Celcius

I must admit I find it funny that they are charging for this thing. They are pretty much upping the bar on the end game, further seperating it from the F2P base. You pretty much have to buy this expansion if you want to keep playing since all the future content will revolve around it. This is basically a money grab. The amount of content in this expansion rivals that of a normal content patch in a sub MMO. A new planet with not even a day worth of leveling. A new story line for each faction (cause they can't afford to continue class story) and quests to help you get to the new level cap of 55 with a couple of new abilities for each class. A new operation that would have been in the free content patch anyways. Flashpoints that were already in the game available in hard mode versions. 

You can tell that the Bioware guys are running out of content that was in development by devs who are long gone. This is pretty much a last ditch effort to try to grab some money out of the game while they can. 

But hey, atleast F2P players get an achievement system! 

P.S: It has been a long pe-season for ranked Warzones!

I don't think I understand your point. You think it odd that the developers, who spend time adding additional content, would be willing to put out an expansion for free? You also think it odd that future content will revolve around the new content and level cap, with dashed hopes that you'd be able to float into advanced level content and still reap rewards? ... duh... money talks.

Also, "The amount of content in this expansion rivals that of a normal content patch in a sub MMO.", but it's not enough to warrent spending a max of $20? Or do you mean "The amount of content in this expansion [is rivaled by] that of a normal content patch in a sub MMO."?

  Karteli

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Posts: 2704

3/25/13 11:36:12 PM#143
Originally posted by Instigator-Jones
Originally posted by Celcius

I must admit I find it funny that they are charging for this thing. They are pretty much upping the bar on the end game, further seperating it from the F2P base. You pretty much have to buy this expansion if you want to keep playing since all the future content will revolve around it. This is basically a money grab. The amount of content in this expansion rivals that of a normal content patch in a sub MMO. A new planet with not even a day worth of leveling. A new story line for each faction (cause they can't afford to continue class story) and quests to help you get to the new level cap of 55 with a couple of new abilities for each class. A new operation that would have been in the free content patch anyways. Flashpoints that were already in the game available in hard mode versions. 

You can tell that the Bioware guys are running out of content that was in development by devs who are long gone. This is pretty much a last ditch effort to try to grab some money out of the game while they can. 

But hey, atleast F2P players get an achievement system! 

P.S: It has been a long pe-season for ranked Warzones!

I don't think I understand your point. You think it odd that the developers, who spend time adding additional content, would be willing to put out an expansion for free? You also think it odd that future content will revolve around the new content and level cap, with dashed hopes that you'd be able to float into advanced level content and still reap rewards? ... duh... money talks.

Also, "The amount of content in this expansion rivals that of a normal content patch in a sub MMO.", but it's not enough to warrent spending a max of $20? Or do you mean "The amount of content in this expansion [is rivaled by] that of a normal content patch in a sub MMO."?

Source for that portion in bold / quotes?  Or did you just bold that for flare.

 

SWTOR tried hard to copy WoW, but they failed to realize that Blizzard gives away an EA "expansion" with every big patch, generally like 6-8 "EA expansions" between regular boxed expansions, .. which are maassive.  All done within about 2 years.

 

If Blizzard charged 10 bucks for every patch, I bet they would have fewer customers too.

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  Instigator-Jones

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Joined: 2/07/13
Posts: 340

3/25/13 11:55:36 PM#144
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Instigator-Jones
Originally posted by Celcius

I must admit I find it funny that they are charging for this thing. They are pretty much upping the bar on the end game, further seperating it from the F2P base. You pretty much have to buy this expansion if you want to keep playing since all the future content will revolve around it. This is basically a money grab. The amount of content in this expansion rivals that of a normal content patch in a sub MMO. A new planet with not even a day worth of leveling. A new story line for each faction (cause they can't afford to continue class story) and quests to help you get to the new level cap of 55 with a couple of new abilities for each class. A new operation that would have been in the free content patch anyways. Flashpoints that were already in the game available in hard mode versions. 

You can tell that the Bioware guys are running out of content that was in development by devs who are long gone. This is pretty much a last ditch effort to try to grab some money out of the game while they can. 

But hey, atleast F2P players get an achievement system! 

P.S: It has been a long pe-season for ranked Warzones!

I don't think I understand your point. You think it odd that the developers, who spend time adding additional content, would be willing to put out an expansion for free? You also think it odd that future content will revolve around the new content and level cap, with dashed hopes that you'd be able to float into advanced level content and still reap rewards? ... duh... money talks.

Also, "The amount of content in this expansion rivals that of a normal content patch in a sub MMO.", but it's not enough to warrent spending a max of $20? Or do you mean "The amount of content in this expansion [is rivaled by] that of a normal content patch in a sub MMO."?

Source for that portion in bold / quotes?  Or did you just bold that for flare.

 

SWTOR tried hard to copy WoW, but they failed to realize that Blizzard gives away an EA "expansion" with every big patch, generally like 6-8 "EA expansions" between regular boxed expansions, .. which are maassive.  All done within about 2 years.

 

If Blizzard charged 10 bucks for every patch, I bet they would have fewer customers too.

Um... the BOLD quotes are from the thread; read the whole thing. The quotes are bolded to emphasize that this is the section that I simply don't understand (from the previous poster). 

Also, Blizzard HAS charged for expansions that coincide with level cap increases. EA is just following suit; it's been a year, the new content is here, level cap is higher, pony up $20 and enjoy... nothing wrong with that. As a matter of fact, I think they've copied WOW's model here too.

  User Deleted
3/26/13 3:40:28 AM#145
Originally posted by Celcius

I must admit I find it funny that they are charging for this thing. They are pretty much upping the bar on the end game, further seperating it from the F2P base. You pretty much have to buy this expansion if you want to keep playing since all the future content will revolve around it. This is basically a money grab. The amount of content in this expansion rivals that of a normal content patch in a sub MMO. A new planet with not even a day worth of leveling. A new story line for each faction (cause they can't afford to continue class story) and quests to help you get to the new level cap of 55 with a couple of new abilities for each class. A new operation that would have been in the free content patch anyways. Flashpoints that were already in the game available in hard mode versions. 

You can tell that the Bioware guys are running out of content that was in development by devs who are long gone. This is pretty much a last ditch effort to try to grab some money out of the game while they can. 

But hey, atleast F2P players get an achievement system! 

P.S: It has been a long pe-season for ranked Warzones!

Its dissapointing whats called expansion and charged for today (to subscribers). 1 planet. It took me 4 hours on average for a planet.

Some skill rebalancing (lets face it that should have happened long long time ago) and pretty much non warranted level cap raise to ensure people must dish out 20/25$ if they want to continue playing.

Well at least now some company can profit from this by marketing "we have REAL expansions" heh

Oh and i think that this "super announcement" just summs up SWTOR very well: hyped to death but disspaointing to most.

APAC servers finally closing after months and months of pleading of those players that EA does something....anything.

  Doogiehowser

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Joined: 3/14/12
Posts: 1930

3/26/13 3:42:31 AM#146
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Celcius

I must admit I find it funny that they are charging for this thing. They are pretty much upping the bar on the end game, further seperating it from the F2P base. You pretty much have to buy this expansion if you want to keep playing since all the future content will revolve around it. This is basically a money grab. The amount of content in this expansion rivals that of a normal content patch in a sub MMO. A new planet with not even a day worth of leveling. A new story line for each faction (cause they can't afford to continue class story) and quests to help you get to the new level cap of 55 with a couple of new abilities for each class. A new operation that would have been in the free content patch anyways. Flashpoints that were already in the game available in hard mode versions. 

You can tell that the Bioware guys are running out of content that was in development by devs who are long gone. This is pretty much a last ditch effort to try to grab some money out of the game while they can. 

But hey, atleast F2P players get an achievement system! 

P.S: It has been a long pe-season for ranked Warzones!

Its dissapointing whats called expansion and charged for today (to subscribers). 1 planet. It took me 4 hours on average for a planet.

Some skill rebalancing (lets face it that should have happened long long time ago) and pretty much non warranted level cap raise to ensure people must dish out 20/25$ if they want to continue playing.

Well at least now some company can profit from this by marketing "we have REAL expansions" heh

Its 10 bucks for susbcribers. 

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-Luke McKinney

  User Deleted
3/26/13 3:47:11 AM#147
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Celcius

I must admit I find it funny that they are charging for this thing. They are pretty much upping the bar on the end game, further seperating it from the F2P base. You pretty much have to buy this expansion if you want to keep playing since all the future content will revolve around it. This is basically a money grab. The amount of content in this expansion rivals that of a normal content patch in a sub MMO. A new planet with not even a day worth of leveling. A new story line for each faction (cause they can't afford to continue class story) and quests to help you get to the new level cap of 55 with a couple of new abilities for each class. A new operation that would have been in the free content patch anyways. Flashpoints that were already in the game available in hard mode versions. 

You can tell that the Bioware guys are running out of content that was in development by devs who are long gone. This is pretty much a last ditch effort to try to grab some money out of the game while they can. 

But hey, atleast F2P players get an achievement system! 

P.S: It has been a long pe-season for ranked Warzones!

Its dissapointing whats called expansion and charged for today (to subscribers). 1 planet. It took me 4 hours on average for a planet.

Some skill rebalancing (lets face it that should have happened long long time ago) and pretty much non warranted level cap raise to ensure people must dish out 20/25$ if they want to continue playing.

Well at least now some company can profit from this by marketing "we have REAL expansions" heh

Its 10 bucks for susbcribers. 

Its 25 10+15. Try to get it any way for 10 bucks without paying those 15 ;)

  Celcius

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3/26/13 4:21:41 AM#148

Honestly I would not have a problem with it if they called it a "content pack" or "DLC" or something. Expansion is not a term to throw around when you have as much content as a small patch in WoW or Rift. Yes obviously I expect an expansion to mean that they want everyone to buy said expansion, but this is the problem here. The game is F2P. They are basically giving you virtually nothing for the normal game and forcing you to buy expansions for a good amount of content. This stuff was also going to be free and come out in 2012 before. (When they started talking about it last summer) So that does not help. 

Don't expect good content to come for free in the future. This is the major issue. You have to sub to enjoy the game due to so many restrictions. This expansion is essentially the start of EA-Ware double dipping every time they come out with one of these "expansions". This expansion also takes the place of a normal content patch. So for the monthly sub you are paying you get nothing but an extra bill for 10$ to continue playing.

  User Deleted
3/26/13 4:38:21 AM#149

Thas somewhat the point, they themselves called it content patch.

And if they continued to call it that or DLC it would kinda pi** off subscribers because i guess they expect to get at least content patches included in their sub. So they just renamed "content patch" to "expansion" and put a price tag on it. But considering their cartel shop exercises lately its not surprising, subs will get bare minimum new content included despite they still pay a sub.

Its kinda sad really.

  Doogiehowser

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3/26/13 5:37:11 AM#150
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Celcius

I must admit I find it funny that they are charging for this thing. They are pretty much upping the bar on the end game, further seperating it from the F2P base. You pretty much have to buy this expansion if you want to keep playing since all the future content will revolve around it. This is basically a money grab. The amount of content in this expansion rivals that of a normal content patch in a sub MMO. A new planet with not even a day worth of leveling. A new story line for each faction (cause they can't afford to continue class story) and quests to help you get to the new level cap of 55 with a couple of new abilities for each class. A new operation that would have been in the free content patch anyways. Flashpoints that were already in the game available in hard mode versions. 

You can tell that the Bioware guys are running out of content that was in development by devs who are long gone. This is pretty much a last ditch effort to try to grab some money out of the game while they can. 

But hey, atleast F2P players get an achievement system! 

P.S: It has been a long pe-season for ranked Warzones!

Its dissapointing whats called expansion and charged for today (to subscribers). 1 planet. It took me 4 hours on average for a planet.

Some skill rebalancing (lets face it that should have happened long long time ago) and pretty much non warranted level cap raise to ensure people must dish out 20/25$ if they want to continue playing.

Well at least now some company can profit from this by marketing "we have REAL expansions" heh

Its 10 bucks for susbcribers. 

Its 25 10+15. Try to get it any way for 10 bucks without paying those 15 ;)

And? point still remains that cost is 10 bucks for subscribers. Now you can twist it into any way you like.

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-Luke McKinney

  User Deleted
3/26/13 7:40:23 AM#151
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Celcius

I must admit I find it funny that they are charging for this thing. They are pretty much upping the bar on the end game, further seperating it from the F2P base. You pretty much have to buy this expansion if you want to keep playing since all the future content will revolve around it. This is basically a money grab. The amount of content in this expansion rivals that of a normal content patch in a sub MMO. A new planet with not even a day worth of leveling. A new story line for each faction (cause they can't afford to continue class story) and quests to help you get to the new level cap of 55 with a couple of new abilities for each class. A new operation that would have been in the free content patch anyways. Flashpoints that were already in the game available in hard mode versions. 

You can tell that the Bioware guys are running out of content that was in development by devs who are long gone. This is pretty much a last ditch effort to try to grab some money out of the game while they can. 

But hey, atleast F2P players get an achievement system! 

P.S: It has been a long pe-season for ranked Warzones!

Its dissapointing whats called expansion and charged for today (to subscribers). 1 planet. It took me 4 hours on average for a planet.

Some skill rebalancing (lets face it that should have happened long long time ago) and pretty much non warranted level cap raise to ensure people must dish out 20/25$ if they want to continue playing.

Well at least now some company can profit from this by marketing "we have REAL expansions" heh

Its 10 bucks for susbcribers. 

Its 25 10+15. Try to get it any way for 10 bucks without paying those 15 ;)

And? point still remains that cost is 10 bucks for subscribers. Now you can twist it into any way you like.

Please share with everyone how you paid 10 without paying additional 15, there are many many people interested how to do that and they will be very thankful to you.

But you are derailing the true issue:

1. its content update and it always was

2. they actually value this content update 20$

3. If you want to continue playing now you have one more hurdle: 20/25$ content update.

  Doogiehowser

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3/26/13 7:44:48 AM#152
Originally posted by tintilinic
Please share with everyone how you paid 10 without paying additional 15, i guess there are many many people interested how to do that and they will be very thankful to you.

I was talking about the cost of pack without adding sub fee to it. Like i said people can combine the both and make a point but for people like me who have always subbed to SWTOR before an after F2P conversion, it is just 10 bucks for the new content. I didn't just sub to get a discount on cartel pack, because i have been subbed for quite a while now. 

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  User Deleted
3/26/13 7:47:16 AM#153
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Please share with everyone how you paid 10 without paying additional 15, i guess there are many many people interested how to do that and they will be very thankful to you.

I was talking about the cost of pack without adding sub fee to it. Like i said people can combine the both and make a point but for people like me who have always subbed to SWTOR before an after F2P conversion, it is just 10 bucks for the new content. I didn't just sub to get a discount on cartel pack, because i have been subbed for quite a while now. 

It doesnt matter, prerequisite for 10 bucks is paying additional 15, its the only way and it costs 25$.

  Doogiehowser

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3/26/13 7:48:44 AM#154
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Please share with everyone how you paid 10 without paying additional 15, i guess there are many many people interested how to do that and they will be very thankful to you.

I was talking about the cost of pack without adding sub fee to it. Like i said people can combine the both and make a point but for people like me who have always subbed to SWTOR before an after F2P conversion, it is just 10 bucks for the new content. I didn't just sub to get a discount on cartel pack, because i have been subbed for quite a while now. 

It doesnt matter, prerequisite for 10 bucks is paying additional 15, its the only way and it costs 25$.

yes it is if you just subbbed recently  to get a discount...but not all of us are in the same boat that is all i am saying. For us 15 bucks is an outgoing cost every month regardless of new content pack.

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  User Deleted
3/26/13 7:54:02 AM#155
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Please share with everyone how you paid 10 without paying additional 15, i guess there are many many people interested how to do that and they will be very thankful to you.

I was talking about the cost of pack without adding sub fee to it. Like i said people can combine the both and make a point but for people like me who have always subbed to SWTOR before an after F2P conversion, it is just 10 bucks for the new content. I didn't just sub to get a discount on cartel pack, because i have been subbed for quite a while now. 

It doesnt matter, prerequisite for 10 bucks is paying additional 15, its the only way and it costs 25$.

yes it is if you just subbbed recently  to get a discount...but not all of us are in the same boat that is all i am saying. For us 15 bucks is an outgoing cost every month regardless of new content pack.

lol, its very simple, i dont see how you dont get it:

if you dont pay additional 15 you dont get it for 10 bucks.

When (well after they announce it) and how and why you paid that additional 15 is completely irrelevant.

What is relevant is that you paid 15 bucks and then can get this tiny new content for 10$. It adds up to 25$. Simple first grade math :)

 

  Doogiehowser

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3/26/13 7:58:19 AM#156
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Please share with everyone how you paid 10 without paying additional 15, i guess there are many many people interested how to do that and they will be very thankful to you.

I was talking about the cost of pack without adding sub fee to it. Like i said people can combine the both and make a point but for people like me who have always subbed to SWTOR before an after F2P conversion, it is just 10 bucks for the new content. I didn't just sub to get a discount on cartel pack, because i have been subbed for quite a while now. 

It doesnt matter, prerequisite for 10 bucks is paying additional 15, its the only way and it costs 25$.

yes it is if you just subbbed recently  to get a discount...but not all of us are in the same boat that is all i am saying. For us 15 bucks is an outgoing cost every month regardless of new content pack.

lol, its very simple, i dont see how you dont get it:

if you dont pay additional 15 you dont get it for 10 bucks.

When (well after they announce it) and how and why you paid that additional 15 is completely irrelevant.

What is relevant is that you paid 15 bucks and then can get this tiny new content for 10$. It adds up to 25$. Simple first grade math :)

 

it is not just about simple math but also the prespective. For me 15 bucks a month is something fixed because i hate to be restricted in gameplay. I play every F2P MMO with a monthly sub. So if during my subscription play time a company releases a content pack i don't combine the both costs. Just how i feel about it. 

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  ktanner3

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3/26/13 8:07:17 AM#157
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Please share with everyone how you paid 10 without paying additional 15, i guess there are many many people interested how to do that and they will be very thankful to you.

I was talking about the cost of pack without adding sub fee to it. Like i said people can combine the both and make a point but for people like me who have always subbed to SWTOR before an after F2P conversion, it is just 10 bucks for the new content. I didn't just sub to get a discount on cartel pack, because i have been subbed for quite a while now. 

It doesnt matter, prerequisite for 10 bucks is paying additional 15, its the only way and it costs 25$.

yes it is if you just subbbed recently  to get a discount...but not all of us are in the same boat that is all i am saying. For us 15 bucks is an outgoing cost every month regardless of new content pack.

lol, its very simple, i dont see how you dont get it:

if you dont pay additional 15 you dont get it for 10 bucks.

When (well after they announce it) and how and why you paid that additional 15 is completely irrelevant.

What is relevant is that you paid 15 bucks and then can get this tiny new content for 10$. It adds up to 25$. Simple first grade math :)

 

And how is that $15 different from any other p2p mmo? You can't play MOP unless you sub to WOW. 

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  gervaise1

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3/26/13 8:13:48 AM#158

I suspect EA are grappling with the problem of how to keep subscribers. What do subscribers get for their subscription that makes them want to stick around.

Post launch there was the big song and dance about how there would be huge monthly content updates, real value etc.

Today though when "most" of the game can be played for free ..... less than last year's hyperbolefor sure. So charging a "reduced price" for the pack is an attempt to make subscribers feel special..

Non-subscribers will probably ignore it - based on what happened last year. (On the trial the cap was 15 and people clearly decided not to progress to 50. )

Going forward - when EA is looking to "attract" / "keep" F2P active accounts it will have to decide whether to make the new content free - and risk upsetting the remaining subscribers some more - or whether to "keep it special".

On past experience they will probably opt to give it away reasoning that in - three months say - they will have sold all the copies they are going to sell. I hope they don't - but I was wrong about them charging for class storylines so .....

  User Deleted
3/26/13 8:14:47 AM#159
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Please share with everyone how you paid 10 without paying additional 15, i guess there are many many people interested how to do that and they will be very thankful to you.

I was talking about the cost of pack without adding sub fee to it. Like i said people can combine the both and make a point but for people like me who have always subbed to SWTOR before an after F2P conversion, it is just 10 bucks for the new content. I didn't just sub to get a discount on cartel pack, because i have been subbed for quite a while now. 

It doesnt matter, prerequisite for 10 bucks is paying additional 15, its the only way and it costs 25$.

yes it is if you just subbbed recently  to get a discount...but not all of us are in the same boat that is all i am saying. For us 15 bucks is an outgoing cost every month regardless of new content pack.

lol, its very simple, i dont see how you dont get it:

if you dont pay additional 15 you dont get it for 10 bucks.

When (well after they announce it) and how and why you paid that additional 15 is completely irrelevant.

What is relevant is that you paid 15 bucks and then can get this tiny new content for 10$. It adds up to 25$. Simple first grade math :)

 

And how is that $15 different from any other p2p mmo? You can't play MOP unless you sub to WOW. 

But you do get content updates like Makeb for free. Thats the difference and thats why they renamed content update to expansion.

Now, if you want to compare MoP and Makeb...be my guest :)

Imagine if every content update WoW had was called "expansion" and cost 10-20$.

  User Deleted
3/26/13 8:18:23 AM#160
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by tintilinic
Please share with everyone how you paid 10 without paying additional 15, i guess there are many many people interested how to do that and they will be very thankful to you.

I was talking about the cost of pack without adding sub fee to it. Like i said people can combine the both and make a point but for people like me who have always subbed to SWTOR before an after F2P conversion, it is just 10 bucks for the new content. I didn't just sub to get a discount on cartel pack, because i have been subbed for quite a while now. 

It doesnt matter, prerequisite for 10 bucks is paying additional 15, its the only way and it costs 25$.

yes it is if you just subbbed recently  to get a discount...but not all of us are in the same boat that is all i am saying. For us 15 bucks is an outgoing cost every month regardless of new content pack.

lol, its very simple, i dont see how you dont get it:

if you dont pay additional 15 you dont get it for 10 bucks.

When (well after they announce it) and how and why you paid that additional 15 is completely irrelevant.

What is relevant is that you paid 15 bucks and then can get this tiny new content for 10$. It adds up to 25$. Simple first grade math :)

 

it is not just about simple math but also the prespective. For me 15 bucks a month is something fixed because i hate to be restricted in gameplay. I play every F2P MMO with a monthly sub. So if during my subscription play time a company releases a content pack i don't combine the both costs. Just how i feel about it. 

You may feel its "good deal" but fact is you paid 15$ and that got you 10$ price. Thats a fact. In this case its simple math.

Its pretty much one of the oldest marketing tricks in the book, they sell you something at nice discount IF you spend more money on something else, in this case people forget that they already paid 15$ :)

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