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  leojreimroc

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3/23/13 12:41:05 PM#21

The payment model has very little to do in how great a game is.  We can all think of fantastic p2p games, just as we can all think of very poor ones.  Similarly, we can all point to great f2p games just as we can point to poor ones.  It's all in how the devs design the game. 

But anyways, back on topic, I hope that Titan will be in the f2p category.  But then again, I'd have to see what Blizz does with it first though.  They could very well be in the bad f2p category....

  JimmyYO

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3/23/13 12:43:47 PM#22
F2P IS a bad thing. It shifts developer priority from making a quality game to making fun toys to RMT.
  Mtibbs1989

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3/23/13 12:46:47 PM#23
Originally posted by JimmyYO
F2P IS a bad thing. It shifts developer priority from making a quality game to making fun toys to RMT.

 Shifts the developer into making toys? No, when I see F2P titles release more content than any AAA title has in the past 4 years I laugh at your comment. Making little toys doesn't stop them from providing more content. Heck look at WoW, they have a cash shop and a subscription fee and they still have time to shit out a new expansion every 2 years.


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  BlueTiger33

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3/23/13 12:46:56 PM#24
Originally posted by Ikisis
Originally posted by nariusseldon

http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/

Not a MMO but still. It is a sign that Titan will also be F2P.

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This. It's saddening to see people push for F2P. I'm all for the P2P "what you pay for is what you get" model. Reminds me of the IGN writeup about good honest gamers paying the bills so the less fortunate can experience the same entertainment.

 

It kind of saddens me that games are taking this F2P trend now. I really, really don't like the model.


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  Cecropia

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3/23/13 12:55:00 PM#25
Originally posted by coretex666
Originally posted by Searias
Originally posted by coretex666
Originally posted by nariusseldon

http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/

Not a MMO but still. It is a sign that Titan will also be F2P.

Is it?

I think that you are biased in regards to this matter.

Would you expect this card game to have subscription? Would anyone in the world expect this card game to have subscription?

You are pushing something that simply isnt there.

It's kind of funny, this card game is going to end up costing them a lot more money than paying a sub :P.

It is quite possible.

But seriously, would you believe that the fact that this game is not going to have subscription somehow indicates that their new MMO will be the same in this matter?

I certainly do not believe that and find it to be beyond a stretch and rather odd. This is merely another case of the OP doin' his thang.

 

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  ThomasN7

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3/23/13 12:57:57 PM#26
No worries Real Money Auction House 2.0 I'm sure will launch with Titan.
  Miblet

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3/23/13 1:01:18 PM#27

Free to play is not about the companies caring about their players.  Free to play is about maximising profits. 

Making the game so that players are highly incentivised to spend money (either to relax restrictions or remove grind) is not, for me, a step in the right direction, especially when most of the playerbase tend not to notice that to remain competitve, or remove enough restrictions to have fun, you will be paying as much or more than a standard subscription.

 

Titan will more than likely be a P2P title because WoW has done so well and companies tend to stick with what they know.  Hearthstone will be a test for F2P transactions but I don't think it will translate to Titan becoming F2P.

  moshra

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3/23/13 1:03:44 PM#28

Why even bother debating this?  You're not going to change the oppositions oppinion.  Any argument you come up with is not going to make sense to the others. 

 

 

  strangiato2112

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3/23/13 1:13:07 PM#29
Originally posted by nariusseldon

http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/

Not a MMO but still. It is a sign that Titan will also be F2P.

every online TCG is free to play.  buying those packs to give you something other than a crappy starter deck...not so free

  Ice-Queen

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3/23/13 1:16:45 PM#30
Wow has been a successful subscription based mmo with a shop for vanity items. I doubt they need to go free to play with Titan, and I'm betting they won't. Why would they? If it's a good mmo, people won't mind paying a sub fee and they'll spend money in the shop, just like they do with WoW. F2P and B2P mmo's are garbage, imo.

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  Purutzil

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3/23/13 1:28:06 PM#31

No problem with F2P unless it gets play to win. Either have good F2P models like Aion or to a degree Tera, or do premium membership providing very little in cash shop and making P2P players have all the traditional Sub goodies at their disposal without having to 'buy' anything from a cash shop (maybe mounts but honestly saying thats 'okay' will end up pushing all cosmetics to being extra tacked on good lowers stuff you can earn in game).

 

I do NOT want B2P. In some form I see it being used in AAA due to the initial cost, however it ends up being more of a money milker in case of point Gw2 and The Secret world. Its essencially a full cash shop but with you having to BUY the game as well which to me is a no no. Gw2 has less but has the terrible 'pay cash for gold' concept (bad ratio but the fact its given in game is a BAD thing, promoting Pay to Win, and yes its Pay To Win when a game essencially offers the best gear you can buy for GOLD, part of the reason with trying to get people to dedicated more time to game for adding in slightly better items you can earn from farming) while secret world you need to pay to look any bit decent with cosmetics, with from what I seen little to no way to customize without it.

  Torvaldr

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3/23/13 1:47:19 PM#32
Originally posted by Tayah
Wow has been a successful subscription based mmo with a shop for vanity items. I doubt they need to go free to play with Titan, and I'm betting they won't. Why would they? If it's a good mmo, people won't mind paying a sub fee and they'll spend money in the shop, just like they do with WoW. F2P and B2P mmo's are garbage, imo.

Wow is an exception though.  Did you read this interview (http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/15/feature/7216/World-of-Warcraft-Ghostcrawler-on-Thunder-King-and-Azeroths-Future.html) with Ghostcrawler?  He specifically addresses alternative payment systems, why they won't be shifting WoW's model anytime soon, and infers they will look at payment models as whatever best fits their game.

Notice they already have B2P with Warcraft, Starcraft, and Diablo franchises.  Are those franchises garbage due to their payment model or were you just posturing from your soapbox talking straight out of your butt?  WoW has been sub-locked and why would they upset their playerbase that seems happy with that payment system.  The CCG game is sub-free with DLC because that's sort of how CCG is setup (reference LoN and MTG).

Narius is baiting a little, and assuming a whole lot, with the original post.  Titan, whatever that is, will have whatever payment model suits it.

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  nariusseldon

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OP  3/24/13 11:09:57 AM#33
Originally posted by Torvaldr

Narius is baiting a little, and assuming a whole lot, with the original post.  Titan, whatever that is, will have whatever payment model suits it.

Sure .. and it can even be P2P. However, given the unpopularity of P2P, there is a good chance that Blizz will try something else. And i suppose we will find out in due time.

  Torvaldr

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3/24/13 11:21:18 AM#34
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Torvaldr

Narius is baiting a little, and assuming a whole lot, with the original post.  Titan, whatever that is, will have whatever payment model suits it.

Sure .. and it can even be P2P. However, given the unpopularity of P2P, there is a good chance that Blizz will try something else. And i suppose we will find out in due time.

I agree, but not because of this.  I think Ghostcrawler's interview is a lot more telling.  He basically said, yeah WoW is p2p because it's stupid to rock the boat, but everything else is open to whatever we think is best.

C'mon you were yanking the chain a little with the thread.  It made me chuckle.

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  nariusseldon

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OP  3/24/13 11:26:15 AM#35
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Torvaldr

Narius is baiting a little, and assuming a whole lot, with the original post.  Titan, whatever that is, will have whatever payment model suits it.

Sure .. and it can even be P2P. However, given the unpopularity of P2P, there is a good chance that Blizz will try something else. And i suppose we will find out in due time.

I agree, but not because of this.  I think Ghostcrawler's interview is a lot more telling.  He basically said, yeah WoW is p2p because it's stupid to rock the boat, but everything else is open to whatever we think is best.

C'mon you were yanking the chain a little with the thread.  It made me chuckle.

Only because people let me. If they are more like you, calm and logical, instead of foaming whenever F2P is mentioned, there is no chain to yank.

  AlBQuirky

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3/25/13 3:20:27 PM#36

And here I thought WoW was going F2P. WoW is Blizzard, right?

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Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
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  Arclan

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3/25/13 3:56:30 PM#37

The industry is pushing hard for P2W to become accepted by consumers because that means more $$ out of your pocket and into theirs.

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  nariusseldon

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OP  3/25/13 4:09:09 PM#38
Originally posted by AlBQuirky

And here I thought WoW was going F2P. WoW is Blizzard, right?

WOW is made by Blizz. Big difference. Blizz made more than 1 game, you know.

  nariusseldon

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OP  3/25/13 4:10:00 PM#39
Originally posted by Arclan

The industry is pushing hard for P2W to become accepted by consumers because that means more $$ out of your pocket and into theirs.

No .. it means free to me, and more $$$ out of someone else's pocket. You know, that is the phenomenon of whales. A small minority paying to subsidize everyone else.

  AlBQuirky

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3/25/13 5:40:00 PM#40


Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Arclan
The industry is pushing hard for P2W to become accepted by consumers because that means more $$ out of your pocket and into theirs.

No .. it means free to me, and more $$$ out of someone else's pocket. You know, that is the phenomenon of whales. A small minority paying to subsidize everyone else.

How socialistic of you :) The "haves" paying for the "not have quite as muches." The "Bill Gates" paying for the entertainment of the "Joe Averages."

- Al

Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
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