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  Ice-Queen

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"Always borrow money from a pessimist. They won't expect it back."

3/23/13 8:26:45 AM#61
From everything I'm seeing, TES is Far from a sandbox, I don't know how anyone could mistake it for one. It's your typical themepark with some pvp thrown in. Hyping the pvp area to veteran DAOC players. Phasing and instancing sucks.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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  eldaris

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3/23/13 8:38:54 AM#62

Crafting giving decent items does not force anyone to craft since you can buy it from auction house unless they copy wow model of making some crafting items bop which would be a bad idea.Also lot of people dislike pvp or dungeons ,making them do parts of the game they dislike just to be competitive is not a good idea in my opinion ,it's much better if the game allows you to get items you need while doing the activities you enjoy.
No idea what type of game will TESO be - btp,ftp or p2p - but if it has subscription the longevity problem could be solved by developers doing what should be expected from a subscription mmo, add more adventure content every 2-3 months,expanding the world and the dungeons etc ,even pvp could benefit from changes in the terms of the conflict ,new siege weapons .Turbine managed to do that in the first year after the launch of LOTRO ,too bad things have changed since then.

  daltanious

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3/23/13 9:54:50 AM#63
Originally posted by Ecoces

as i said before and im sure i will say again, there is nothing in the term Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. that says you have to play in a group.

 

 

 

Nope, to me Massive Multiplayer Online .... mean only a lot of players online at same time, radiing, crafting, ... doing whatever .... does not matter. Does not mean you have to group. Otherwise following your logic there should be maybe one massive raid with i.e. 100.000 players at same time. Silly, no? Because I do not see 25 or not even 40 raid as MASSIVE.

  GreenHell

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3/23/13 10:11:39 AM#64
Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by GreenHell
Is it the acutal raiding part for you or or is it because that is where all the loot comes from?

 

you make a good point, but even if that were the case, it would have to only be random world boss encounters that guilds could take down every once in a while.

once you implement raid progression (which is what i assumed he meant) then that is an exclusive theme park feature and makes the game not a pure sandbox by nature, even if you didn't get gear upgrades from downing bosses.

people are going to have different opinions on what they believe makes a sandbox game, a sandbox.

but raid progression is one of those things that is absolutely a theme park trait, its not even arguable.

i am not saying it has to be a pure sandbox, just saying i don't think it will be based on the fact that it will have raiding.

 

i dont know if i'd agree to that, i mean in my opinion, sandbox is a game where you define how you play the game. just because there are raids in place and they drop gear does not mean its themepark automatically. game could still be sandbox with that, so long as raiding was required to get best gear, and the game had the other requirements for being a sandbox game, its still a sandbox game.

Personally I kind of agree with baphamet to an extent. Progression raiding like what you see in wow is very much a themepark trait. That is the ride you are on until the next expansion comes out and then you get on another ride and start it all over again.

Raiding by itself isn't a bad thing. Large scale world bosses or even instanced raiding doesn't bother me. It's the fact that progression raiding is the only thing to do to progress your character and by progression I mean getting better gear. That is really all that WoW is about. I'm not saying thats bad but it is very much a themepark.

I would like to see a game go back to the system SWG had before all of the bad. Item decay where repairing isn't always the best option. I used to blow through armor so fast that I had my armor guy make me crates of it. Gear just wasn't as important as it is in todays games. With that mechanic in place it really doesn't matter what kind of raids you have the items you get will all pretty much be temporary. They will break and need to replaced so often that the gear grind for means of progression is kind of taken out of the equation.

 

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