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  simplius

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3/22/13 12:08:56 AM#21
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Korusus
 

Two things:  #1) Only subscribers spend money in that cash shop, that's the harsh reality.  2 million is god awful considering the likely attrition rate of F2P players.

#2) Jeff Hickman is an idiot.  The fact that he's in charge proves EA just wants to bleed this thing dry until it dies.

 

so in another thread people are praising TERA's f2p left and right because 1.4 million have registered for TERA *since launch*, not just f2p.

But swtor has 2mill since f2p and its bad?

Yes, when it comes to TOR there is a double standard. It's been that way since day one. 

I'm also curious about that claim of "only subscribers pay money in the cash shop." Where's your proof? 

the same reason, that KELLOGGS  are more expensive , than a no name brand

the same reason, that made them buy the IP, instead of just making their own mmo

the same reason, that makes people drive by a broken toyota, but make them stop and take pictures of a broken ferrari

money and size do matter, after all

imagine, how this game would have fared without STAR WARS,,just based on its performance

the whole universe would have collapsed around it

  ignore_me

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3/22/13 1:36:40 AM#22
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Korusus
 

Two things:  #1) Only subscribers spend money in that cash shop, that's the harsh reality.  2 million is god awful considering the likely attrition rate of F2P players.

#2) Jeff Hickman is an idiot.  The fact that he's in charge proves EA just wants to bleed this thing dry until it dies.

 

so in another thread people are praising TERA's f2p left and right because 1.4 million have registered for TERA *since launch*, not just f2p.

But swtor has 2mill since f2p and its bad?

Yes, when it comes to TOR there is a double standard. It's been that way since day one. 

I'm also curious about that claim of "only subscribers pay money in the cash shop." Where's your proof? 

the same reason, that KELLOGGS  are more expensive , than a no name brand

the same reason, that made them buy the IP, instead of just making their own mmo

the same reason, that makes people drive by a broken toyota, but make them stop and take pictures of a broken ferrari

money and size do matter, after all

imagine, how this game would have fared without STAR WARS,,just based on its performance

the whole universe would have collapsed around it

Yep.

If you coupled the systems of SWTOR to some neutral (not good, not bad) sci-fi IP and removed Star Wars, this would be a non-issue.

SW fans could have some other game, and no one would play SWTOR because without the IP it is nothing.

Bioware and EA are holding the IP hostage, and forcing it to cohabitate with a terrible MMO zombie body.

Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011

  simplius

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Posts: 979

3/22/13 1:52:10 AM#23

frankensteins monster comes to mind

they both have certain strengths , and even some charm too

they both start at the peak of their powers, and decline slowly

and theyre both made of reused parts, that dont really fit together

i also think the goth theme very fitting for EA moral virtues

i wonder if their HQ really is a spooky castle

  simmihi

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Posts: 514

3/22/13 2:09:06 AM#24
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Korusus
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by Karteli

Nice troll bait, Mr. Hickman.

 

EA is committed to an 8-week cadence..  weren't they committed to a 6-week cadence before, with 4-6 weeks before that.  Guess committment changes like the tides around EA.  Fans please insert "Committment isn't set in stone you know!".

 

Oh well, I guess with only 2 million accounts made, Michael Pachter's prediction of 50 million was a little off.

 

 

I'm happy it has got over 2 mil new accounts , pso2 has only had 1.7 mil accounts since it started in July 2012 and that's a very popular game. Now if all those 2 mil plus accounts would spend some money on the game then we will be plesantly sailing away on our supposed tortanic :)

Cheers,

BadOrb.

Two things:  #1) Only subscribers spend money in that cash shop, that's the harsh reality.  2 million is god awful considering the likely attrition rate of F2P players.

#2) Jeff Hickman is an idiot.  The fact that he's in charge proves EA just wants to bleed this thing dry until it dies.

 

so in another thread people are praising TERA's f2p left and right because 1.4 million have registered for TERA *since launch*, not just f2p.

But swtor has 2mill since f2p and its bad?

I bet most of the "F2P'ers" online now are people who already bought the box, coming back to check things out, as now the game is advertised as "free". As someone who did not buy the box, I am sometimes tempted to sign up and download the game at least for the story. Unfortunately things like "you have to pay to unlock ability bars" and "you have to pay to be able to sprint" come to mind. I find these things beyond bad, I find them disrespectful. They actually lose money on it, as I would gladly pay for new content, the ability to wear top armor, extra XP gains and things like that, but not for basic utility. It's like "yes, we'll give you a chance to fight against the champion, but you'll be only able to use your left hand and we'll cut your left leg".

  keithian

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Joined: 5/20/06
Posts: 2965

3/22/13 2:39:14 AM#25
I'm dissapointed that there is still no mention of things to make them world feel more alive such as Day Night Cycles, Social Hubs in the right places, Cantinas that are more than museums, side things to do, etc. As a huge fan of this when it came out, I won't come back until they make the world feel less dead..and that means more than having more people on one server. 

There Is Always Hope!

  simplius

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Joined: 12/12/12
Posts: 979

3/22/13 2:51:36 AM#26

im still waiting for sto to get "inspired" by the companion system,,IMO the best part of swtor

kaliyo in the imp agent story was just breathtaking

sadly those great moments were too few, and to far between them

  gwei1984

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Joined: 6/22/12
Posts: 352

3/22/13 3:01:12 AM#27

I like the "more quality of life, less content"-stench in this letter.

They started this game with interviews like "yeah, we maybe will bring dozens of new planets out over the time" and "monthly updates"......and what did they do? I remember the bad joke, the new dailies on corellia were. 5 dailies in a quickly revamped and recycled area? Oh come on....

What about the continuation of the personal story? Nothing! What about the ilum-overhaul? Nothing!

I had high hopes for this game, but this company just crushed everyone of them with every content-patch. Nevertheless i had fun for a few months, but this game had so much more potential than this.

Hodor!

  gwei1984

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Posts: 352

3/22/13 3:06:48 AM#28
Originally posted by strangiato2112
so in another thread people are praising TERA's f2p left and right because 1.4 million have registered for TERA *since launch*, not just f2p.

But swtor has 2mill since f2p and its bad?

Because Tera is a joke of a korean grinder with flashy graphics. For Tera it is great to have such a high number, because everything except the combat is a cheap hollow shell.

This here (SWTOR) could have been so much more. They had so much more money, manpower and ideas, but failed ridiculously.

Hodor!

  User Deleted
3/22/13 3:26:08 AM#29
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Korusus
 

Two things:  #1) Only subscribers spend money in that cash shop, that's the harsh reality.  2 million is god awful considering the likely attrition rate of F2P players.

#2) Jeff Hickman is an idiot.  The fact that he's in charge proves EA just wants to bleed this thing dry until it dies.

 

so in another thread people are praising TERA's f2p left and right because 1.4 million have registered for TERA *since launch*, not just f2p.

But swtor has 2mill since f2p and its bad?

Yes, when it comes to TOR there is a double standard. It's been that way since day one. 

I'm also curious about that claim of "only subscribers pay money in the cash shop." Where's your proof? 

More people quit SWTOR in first few months than ever played TERA.

Even if we disregard investment/IP....what double standard are we talking about here lol

  Scalpless

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Joined: 3/22/07
Posts: 1290

3/22/13 6:31:04 AM#30
So now TOR went from being a WoW killer to competing with TERA. That is pretty bad.
  simplius

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Posts: 979

3/22/13 7:48:33 AM#31

tera only tanked badly in west,,partially because of eu partners

i think theyre doing better back home

and they can survive on a very small playerbase

with sto giving away expansion with new faction in may, that will also drain from the F2P crowd

  JasonJ

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Joined: 3/19/13
Posts: 414

3/22/13 8:09:22 AM#32
Originally posted by simplius

tera only tanked badly in west,,partially because of eu partners

i think theyre doing better back home

and they can survive on a very small playerbase

with sto giving away expansion with new faction in may, that will also drain from the F2P crowd

 Nope, Tera was a flop back home, its review in Japan was funny as hell with their saying the story is barely F2P quality which says a LOT about the game...

Anyway, back to the topic. There is ZERO in that interview that gives any actual details in terms of numbers, I will wait for EAs first quarterly stock holders calls because the last one they combined SWTORs numbers with two other games and that is something EA ALWAYS does when they are trying to hide how bad products are doing.

You have to watch for key words with these corporations. When they stop talking like a normal person and start throwing out business speak "numbers are up" instead of something specific...they are hiding that it isnt as successful as they wanted because they would actually be telling you what those numbers are.

100,000 people spending money can be UP if the last time it was 99,999 people spending money.

As for the 2 million new accounts remark. Doesnt matter, what DOES matter is how many of them are still playing, how many of them actually spent money to upgrade their accounts and how many became subscribers....everything else is just fluff, even AoC topped 1 million new accounts since going F2P and the game on US servers points to less than 3% of that 1 million being active today...and going by Funcoms lack of revenue...few are spending money...to be expected on those extremely high priced shop items.

  ktanner3

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3/22/13 8:51:18 AM#33
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Korusus
 

Two things:  #1) Only subscribers spend money in that cash shop, that's the harsh reality.  2 million is god awful considering the likely attrition rate of F2P players.

#2) Jeff Hickman is an idiot.  The fact that he's in charge proves EA just wants to bleed this thing dry until it dies.

 

so in another thread people are praising TERA's f2p left and right because 1.4 million have registered for TERA *since launch*, not just f2p.

But swtor has 2mill since f2p and its bad?

Yes, when it comes to TOR there is a double standard. It's been that way since day one. 

I'm also curious about that claim of "only subscribers pay money in the cash shop." Where's your proof? 

the same reason, that KELLOGGS  are more expensive , than a no name brand

the same reason, that made them buy the IP, instead of just making their own mmo

TOR is a continuation of a franchise that started ten years ago with Knights of the Old Republic. This company already had a track record with the IP. 

the same reason, that makes people drive by a broken toyota, but make them stop and take pictures of a broken ferrari

Yes, some people are very odd. Sane people continue driving., not slow down traffic because of morbid curiousity.

money and size do matter, after all

imagine, how this game would have fared without STAR WARS,,just based on its performance

the whole universe would have collapsed around it

Speculation that could be said for any game that's ever had the Star Wars name attached to it. I know speaking for myself that it takes much more than the brand to keep me playing. If this was just another boring, broken and grindy text based MMO I wouldn't be playing it. Star Wars or no Star Wars. I wouldn't have lasted a month. 

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  ignore_me

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3/22/13 10:05:52 AM#34
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Korusus
 

Two things:  #1) Only subscribers spend money in that cash shop, that's the harsh reality.  2 million is god awful considering the likely attrition rate of F2P players.

#2) Jeff Hickman is an idiot.  The fact that he's in charge proves EA just wants to bleed this thing dry until it dies.

 

so in another thread people are praising TERA's f2p left and right because 1.4 million have registered for TERA *since launch*, not just f2p.

But swtor has 2mill since f2p and its bad?

Yes, when it comes to TOR there is a double standard. It's been that way since day one. 

I'm also curious about that claim of "only subscribers pay money in the cash shop." Where's your proof? 

the same reason, that KELLOGGS  are more expensive , than a no name brand

the same reason, that made them buy the IP, instead of just making their own mmo

TOR is a continuation of a franchise that started ten years ago with Knights of the Old Republic. This company already had a track record with the IP. 

the same reason, that makes people drive by a broken toyota, but make them stop and take pictures of a broken ferrari

Yes, some people are very odd. Sane people continue driving., not slow down traffic because of morbid curiousity.

money and size do matter, after all

imagine, how this game would have fared without STAR WARS,,just based on its performance

the whole universe would have collapsed around it

Speculation that could be said for any game that's ever had the Star Wars name attached to it. I know speaking for myself that it takes much more than the brand to keep me playing. If this was just another boring, broken and grindy text based MMO I wouldn't be playing it. Star Wars or no Star Wars. I wouldn't have lasted a month. 

boring, grindy, broken cinematic-based MMO = ok? wtf. This sounds like the difference for you (because objectively SWTOR is bereft of features) is the cutscenes, which are driven by the Star Wars element.

Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011

  Havekk

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3/22/13 10:17:57 AM#35
Originally posted by tiefighter25

Bad Orb, Jeff Hickman has a pretty spotty record. He started out as a Customer service rep for DAOC and somehow wound up heading up WAR. WAR went abysmally, and he didn't seem to learn much from it. In fact, he blames the failure to a large degree to the public events in WAR's PVE, which was actually pretty innovative. (Guild Wars pretty much swiped it from that game.)

He put on a rosy PR face as the game slipped into maintenance mode; and he appears to be doing the same thing for EA in regard to SWTOR.

Besides his everything is rosy speech, he mentions that there will be a cartel coin paid for barbershop. He has changed the "cadence" to 8 weeks.

Most alarmingly, he seems to imply that after Makeb (which appears to have been ready for launch in June of 2012, it was worked on prior to launch, the new OP was datamined in Feb of 2012) the new content would primarily be quality of life improvements.

One can interpet that to mean they're out of playable game content to release, and won't be funding anymore. Just new (Cartel) quality of life improvements every 2 months.

Makeb April, Cather June, Barbershop August, etc.

I could be wrong, I hope for your sake I am.

In regard to those 2 million new FTP accounts, well they are about to hit a giant paywall called Makeb.

The game could really use a shot in the arm.

I am interpreting your post to say that TOR has slipped into maintenance mode and with the except of this new expansion, (which was ready long ago) There will be no more new content for the game until the day it shuts down. Cause... that's what maintenance mode is just bug fixing, etc... and with the lack of funding you speak of, surely this is the beginning of the end. 

 

Is this correct? Cause I would love to quote you on this later.

  ktanner3

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3/22/13 10:34:13 AM#36
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by ktanner3
 

Speculation that could be said for any game that's ever had the Star Wars name attached to it. I know speaking for myself that it takes much more than the brand to keep me playing. If this was just another boring, broken and grindy text based MMO I wouldn't be playing it. Star Wars or no Star Wars. I wouldn't have lasted a month. 

boring, grindy, broken cinematic-based MMO = ok? wtf. This sounds like the difference for you (because objectively SWTOR is bereft of features) is the cutscenes, which are driven by the Star Wars element.

For me it isn't boring nor grindy.The cinematics along with the ability to choose how the conversation goes is what seperates it from everything else.  And broken? Please. The gameplay is very smooth and I run into very few issues. It's not like  NPcs appear in walls, or in the middle of the ocean, or I'm stuck in a starport or in the depths of a planet unable to get out.I don't get kicked back to desktop nor do I have to deal with much loot nor kill stealing as I do in most games since most quests take place in a phase. Plus there is no alpha classes ruining PVP. I manage to find plenty to do in this game. Sorry that this isn't the game for you but I'm going to continue to enjoy it. But don't worry, there's still plenty of boring and broken  text based MMOs out there for you to play. In fact most are pretty much being given away for nothing at this point. Might want to try one of those. 

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  hikaru77

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3/22/13 10:53:29 AM#37
You cant like the game or not, the fact is: they really have a lot of people playing the game, is still the most populated MMO in the west but WoW, and is getting better and growing everyday, but also the hate around swtor is still strong and growing as long as the game keep running and working. Is far from perfect, still need really a lot of work, but MMOs need time, Did you remember STO years ago?, look at the game now, is probably one of the most populated F2P mmo in the west. The swtor population is good (all the servers at primetime are full, heavy and very heavy, and they have megaserver technology), but people keep talking about how the game is a fail and will die. 
  Pongo_

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Posts: 35

3/22/13 11:24:21 AM#38
Originally posted by hikaru77
You cant like the game or not, the fact is: they really have a lot of people playing the game, is still the most populated MMO in the west but WoW, and is getting better and growing everyday, but also the hate around swtor is still strong and growing as long as the game keep running and working. Is far from perfect, still need really a lot of work, but MMOs need time, Did you remember STO years ago?, look at the game now, is probably one of the most populated F2P mmo in the west. The swtor population is good (all the servers at primetime are full, heavy and very heavy, and they have megaserver technology), but people keep talking about how the game is a fail and will die. 

that is a opinion,

EA is the only one who has the facts.  unfortunately they haven't been very forthcoming when it comes to sub numbers.

  ktanner3

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3/22/13 12:10:50 PM#39
Originally posted by Pongo_
Originally posted by hikaru77
You cant like the game or not, the fact is: they really have a lot of people playing the game, is still the most populated MMO in the west but WoW, and is getting better and growing everyday, but also the hate around swtor is still strong and growing as long as the game keep running and working. Is far from perfect, still need really a lot of work, but MMOs need time, Did you remember STO years ago?, look at the game now, is probably one of the most populated F2P mmo in the west. The swtor population is good (all the servers at primetime are full, heavy and very heavy, and they have megaserver technology), but people keep talking about how the game is a fail and will die. 

that is a opinion,

EA is the only one who has the facts.  unfortunately they haven't been very forthcoming when it comes to sub numbers.

Opinions is pretty much all that gets posted around here, what else is new? . Except of course the proof for the supposed fact from a poster  that said only subs buy into the cartel market. I'm still waiting on that proof. I think some posters missed that lesson you're suppose to learn in grade school about the difference between opinion and fact. 

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  FromHell

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OP  3/22/13 12:43:22 PM#40
Originally posted by hikaru77
, is still the most populated MMO in the west but WoW

 that, is simply IMPOSSIBRU.

apart from WOW there are at least 5 MMOs with equal or better population:

EvE

Secret World

Age of Conan

Guild Wars 2

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Best MMOs ever played: Ultima, EvE, SW Galaxies, Age of Conan, The Secret World
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