Originally posted by Claum

Source ? I would copy paste it but  if you search google , you will find it everywhere , Blizzard employes stated that they will have Rmah on Titan aswell and in d3 half of players like it and the other half hate it ao they think Rmah is succesfull.

I think the bots own RMAH anyway , there are more than 10 k bots in D3.

Even if  D3 would be enjoyable  I wouldn't play it because of bots earning money from RMAH.

After Activision failed with D3 i don't think they will ever going to be creating any good game, but that's just my opinion.

The only thing Google shows are post from forum users on differnet blizzard and AV boards speculating about D3's RMAH being a test for future game projects.

I'd still like to see your "blizzard employee" statement. So please, do copy and paste ...

As for your Blizzmmo.com statement:

"One thing is certain: if after its launch with Diablo 3, Blizzard believes it does its job, it stays and expands! My guess is that at first it will be implemented in WoW (Titan’s little guinea pig from now on) and will eventually be used on “Titan”."

That is the blogger speculating on RMAH, he has no source whatsoever.

You're just bashing on Blizzard and Activision for the sake of bashing. Have they urinated in your ceraels or something?

The title of the thread should be "I hate project Titan and Blizzard and I hope they will burn in hell"

D3 is fail, Panda is a big fail, Titan will fail, Starcraft is a romantic fail, anything that came from Blizzard in last several years is fail, Blizzard is fail,  life is fail man...

People have a funny deffinition of "fail"

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by nbtscan
I think as long as they can keep milking WoW they won't release a new game.  They're already talking about another expansion for WoW so it's going to be at least another couple years before Titan comes out at that rate.

WOW will probably never die in our lifetime

look at Ultima Online -- still going 17 years later and still requires a sub

 

Yeah, but WoW still has several million people playing and paying.  I can't claim to know what UO has for subscribers but it's certain nothing compares to WoW in terms of subscribers.

Games like UO and FFXI that have been around for a decade did well enough in their prime that they can still justify charging for a subscription.  As someone posted above, WoW could realistically release their new game whenever they want since they've done well enough with WoW and will probably keep pretty good retention there.

The only uncertainty is the fickleness of the MMO market right now.  It seems like being neither innovative nor a "WoW clone" is a sure thing.  I can't even begin to put my finger on what the average MMO player wants these days.  We don't know what Titan will be like, but if it's too similar to WoW..will people just go back to WoW?  That's what everyone else seems to do; either that or hop from MMO to MMO.  

It's a bit of a unique situation since both games are by the same company and logically people would play the newer game even though it may be really similar to the previous one.  The other thing that usually has people going back to WoW is their attachment to their character they've built over the years.

Originally posted by nbtscan
I think as long as they can keep milking WoW they won't release a new game.  They're already talking about another expansion for WoW so it's going to be at least another couple years before Titan comes out at that rate.

Blizzard is working harder on WoW than they ever have, wouldnt say they are 'milking' it.

Originally posted by Briansho
Blizzard is really good at selling products and making little cut scene movies but retaining customers, they bad. Aren't total WOW numbers down to like 9 million from 12 last year? That's around 25% drop!

Customer retention on blizzard games is probably something other developers touch themselves at the thought of mimicing.

People still play Diablo 1 and 2, Starcraft and Brood War are still played by many, people still play Warcraft 3 and the original Dota mod for it, WoW has 9 million active players(over 3 million western subs at £8.99 a month), Starcraft 2 WoL and HoTS are hugely popular all over the world and have people playing them for a real life jobs.

The only lemon in the bunch is Diablo 3, the retention on that must have been horrendous.

Originally posted by SlickShoes

Originally posted by Briansho
Blizzard is really good at selling products and making little cut scene movies but retaining customers, they bad. Aren't total WOW numbers down to like 9 million from 12 last year? That's around 25% drop!

Customer retention on blizzard games is probably something other developers touch themselves at the thought of mimicing.

People still play Diablo 1 and 2, Starcraft and Brood War are still played by many, people still play Warcraft 3 and the original Dota mod for it, WoW has 9 million active players(over 3 million western subs at £8.99 a month), Starcraft 2 WoL and HoTS are hugely popular all over the world and have people playing them for a real life jobs.

The only lemon in the bunch is Diablo 3, the retention on that must have been horrendous.

+50 hipster points to Briansho

-50 hipster points to SlickShoes

+1000 reality points to SlickShoes

Briansho....not so much...

Originally posted by Briansho
Blizzard is really good at selling products and making little cut scene movies but retaining customers, they bad. Aren't total WOW numbers down to like 9 million from 12 last year? That's around 25% drop!

ya wow is a total failure.  I mean there's 1000 other games worse than wow in retaining players but we need to keep bashing it.

I think you guys have wacky standard.  Wow have been out for so many years.  Only other game I see that keep growing is eve.

So we need to keep bash wow because there's 1 game better than it at retaining players. 

Originally posted by Briansho
Blizzard is really good at selling products and making little cut scene movies but retaining customers, they bad. Aren't total WOW numbers down to like 9 million from 12 last year? That's around 25% drop!

theyve dropped from 12mil to a little under 10 mil over the last 4 years or so.  Name me an MMORPG (besides EvE) that hasnt dropped by 15-20% in that same time frame.

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by Briansho
Blizzard is really good at selling products and making little cut scene movies but retaining customers, they bad. Aren't total WOW numbers down to like 9 million from 12 last year? That's around 25% drop!

theyve dropped from 12mil to a little under 10 mil over the last 4 years or so.  Name me an MMORPG (besides EvE) that hasnt dropped by 15-20% in that same time frame.

Heck...name one that has 2+ million subs (the amount of drop)

Originally posted by Psychow

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by Briansho
Blizzard is really good at selling products and making little cut scene movies but retaining customers, they bad. Aren't total WOW numbers down to like 9 million from 12 last year? That's around 25% drop!

theyve dropped from 12mil to a little under 10 mil over the last 4 years or so.  Name me an MMORPG (besides EvE) that hasnt dropped by 15-20% in that same time frame.

 

Heck...name one that has 2+ million subs (the amount of drop)

Subs is a dying business anyway. GW2 does sell 2M boxes. TOR too.

If you want to compare to successful online game ... LOL is the one. It has many more users than WOW .. though not all of them spend money.

Blizzard's philosophy of not making inovations, but instead making the game very well executed, didn't work for D3 :)

If they apply the same philosophy to Titan, it might go the same way as D3.

It worked for WoW because the mmorpg's at the time were not very well executed.

Originally posted by Arcona

Blizzard's philosophy of not making inovations, but instead making the game very well executed, didn't work for D3 :)

If they apply the same philosophy to Titan, it might go the same way as D3.

It worked for WoW because the mmorpg's at the time were not very well executed.

I don't know.  They did sell something like 10 million boxes.  That is definately a commercial success. 

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

Originally posted by Arcona

Blizzard's philosophy of not making inovations, but instead making the game very well executed, didn't work for D3 :)

If they apply the same philosophy to Titan, it might go the same way as D3.

It worked for WoW because the mmorpg's at the time were not very well executed.

I don't know.  They did sell something like 10 million boxes.  That is definately a commercial success. 

Yes. That's not the point.

The they took the mechanics of the mmorpgs at the time and executed them 500% better, so they sold 10000% better than the other mmorpgs :)

Originally posted by Arcona

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

Originally posted by Arcona

Blizzard's philosophy of not making inovations, but instead making the game very well executed, didn't work for D3 :)

If they apply the same philosophy to Titan, it might go the same way as D3.

It worked for WoW because the mmorpg's at the time were not very well executed.

I don't know.  They did sell something like 10 million boxes.  That is definately a commercial success. 

Yes. That's not the point.

The they took the mechanics of the mmorpgs at the time and executed them 500% better, so they sold 10000% better than the other mmorpgs :)

That is the point.  You said it didn't work well for D3.  10 million sales says it worked very very well.

Improving the mechanics 500% means that it will result in a 1000% increase in sales?  Ya neither sales, nor logic really works like that.

Originally posted by Arcona

Blizzard's philosophy of not making inovations, but instead making the game very well executed, didn't work for D3 :)

If they apply the same philosophy to Titan, it might go the same way as D3.

It worked for WoW because the mmorpg's at the time were not very well executed.

Didn't work? D3 sold 12M copies. It is still #11 on xfire after 10 month.

If Titan goes the same way as D3,  it would be great.

You don't mean "it does not work", you mean "you don't like it".