Trending Games | World of Warcraft | Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn | EverQuest | Guild Wars 2

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,905,854 Users Online:0
Games:757  Posts:6,296,800
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Ninja Anime Pirates Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings Era Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Redemption LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Grimrock 2 Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Oort Online Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Overwatch Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rail Nation Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Rebel Galaxy Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowgate Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Conflict Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Stormthrone Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Triad Wars Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Warflare Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warriors World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

The Pub at MMORPG.COM  » Richard Garriott “I think most game designers really just suck”

6 Pages 1 2 3 4 5 6 » Search
116 posts found
  Volgore

Tipster

Joined: 6/15/08
Posts: 2068

Posts deleted: 12589457

 
OP  3/19/13 8:56:53 PM#1

I just stumbled upon this on PCGamer: http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/03/19/richard-garriott-game-designers-suck/

I think for someone with a failed Tabula Rasa in his record and the need for a kickstarter for his new title, he is rolling up some heavy artillery there.

Have fun :)

 

  DamonVile

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 4909

3/19/13 9:02:41 PM#2

Well he's not really wrong....he just should include himself in that list.

you never really know if some of these people are just bad or if they just don't have the budget to see it through.

  johnisme

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/07/08
Posts: 69

3/19/13 9:11:09 PM#3

Did you read on why Tabula Rasa failed and that Richard Garriot sued  NCsoft for 28 million and won over his departure from Tabula Rasa?

I wouldn't want a publisher after that and do a kick starter instead.

  Axehilt

Novice Member

Joined: 5/09/09
Posts: 7213

3/19/13 9:51:51 PM#4
Originally posted by johnisme

Did you read on why Tabula Rasa failed and that Richard Garriot sued  NCsoft for 28 million and won over his departure from Tabula Rasa?

I wouldn't want a publisher after that and do a kick starter instead.

I imagine he's judging other designers based on the final product, regardless of what other factors are involved, so it's fair to judge him the same way.

  rodingo

Elite Member

Joined: 1/18/07
Posts: 1847

3/19/13 10:03:26 PM#5
He spends a lot of time tooting his own horn in that article.  Plus maybe he feels it's ok to burn bridges by saying how most game designers suck today (not agreeing or disagreeing with that), but I have a feeling that's going to bite him in the arse.  I don't think his name is as golden anymore as he thinks it is.

"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor

  BahamutKaiser

Novice Member

Joined: 3/08/13
Posts: 297

On hiatus for a while guys, MMOs still aren't interesting me.

3/19/13 10:10:44 PM#6
Regardless of who he is... I kinda agree. I just choose not to ridicule without cause.

I will however make allowances for the difficulty of funding modern games, investor tampering, corporate money mongering and political problems as other serious obstacles to the improvement of games, its hard to say if its the designers fault, or just circumstances...

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes.
That way, if they get angry, they'll be a mile away... and barefoot.

  Aelious

Elite Member

Joined: 9/27/11
Posts: 2514

World > Quest Progression

3/19/13 10:46:00 PM#7
Using tactics like this to bolster attention for your product is distasteful. Oh sure, it works but that doesn't mean it should be done. Business is business I guess, jut like my wallet and this is strike one as far as I'm concerned. I've always ignored the bad rap he gets because there are always other sides to the story. This is directly from him however.
  Ghavrigg

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/10/12
Posts: 730

3/19/13 11:11:32 PM#8
Originally posted by johnisme

Did you read on why Tabula Rasa failed and that Richard Garriot sued  NCsoft for 28 million and won over his departure from Tabula Rasa?

I wouldn't want a publisher after that and do a kick starter instead.

Yes, the game was "rushed" out the door after only a 7ish year development cycle. ;)

Apparently Mr. Garriott had no clear vision for the actual game, and was just throwing out ideas and hoping for the best, so a couple years into it, he decided everything had to be redone from nearly scratch, then during the second version of the game, they still didn't have anything solid until just around the time NcSoft pushed the game out the door. By solid, of course, I mean a barely workable version of the game that wasn't very fun.

He wasted years of time and money on this game, NcSoft tried to screw him over for his stock options because of it all, but in the end, he sued them and won $27 million.

To be honest, both sides acted poorly at times, but ultimately, it was Garriott's lack of direction and shitty design skills that caused the game to fail. Nice and ironic.

Anyway, Garriott sued NcSoft because of lost money from stock options he lost from the departure, not because they somehow ruined his game. He did prove, however, that he's capable of making money regardless of whether or not he's any good at what he does.

  SoMuchMass

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/16/13
Posts: 587

3/19/13 11:18:58 PM#9

He probably is right and he did clarify that he doesn't mean he is brilliant but that is how it is today.  The one point he made was previously game designers were programmers and artists and could do a lot of things.  But these days game designers can't program or can't be artistic so they go into game design.

He might sound arrogant, but he probably is right.

  ketzerei84

Novice Member

Joined: 2/06/11
Posts: 48

3/19/13 11:30:57 PM#10
Originally posted by johnisme

Did you read on why Tabula Rasa failed and that Richard Garriot sued  NCsoft for 28 million and won over his departure from Tabula Rasa?

I wouldn't want a publisher after that and do a kick starter instead.

Be that as it may, and with all due respect for Garriot's work on ultima which helped to push MMOs into popularity, he also had his lawyers crack down on the people working on TR emulators - even though the game is technically abandonware, if I remember correctly the TR emu team was given a warning to "cease and desist, or face a lawsuit for infringement on Intellectual Property rights". That being the case, I'm not really sure i'd want to play a game run by Lord British - even though I do consider him to be one of the greatest game designers of all time - on par with Brad McQuaid.

  Axehilt

Novice Member

Joined: 5/09/09
Posts: 7213

3/19/13 11:32:57 PM#11
Originally posted by rodingo
Plus maybe he feels it's ok to burn bridges by saying how most game designers suck today (not agreeing or disagreeing with that), but I have a feeling that's going to bite him in the arse.  I don't think his name is as golden anymore as he thinks it is.

"And then after I had that interview where I said all game designers suck, I couldn't find a good designer to work with for the life of me.  Man I hate being right all the time!"

  Wraithone

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/09/04
Posts: 3581

If you can't kill it, don't make it mad.

3/19/13 11:37:42 PM#12
Originally posted by Volgore

I just stumbled upon this on PCGamer: http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/03/19/richard-garriott-game-designers-suck/

I think for someone with a failed Tabula Rasa in his record and the need for a kickstarter for his new title, he is rolling up some heavy artillery there.

Have fun :)

 

You might wish to read the article, so that his statements are placed in context... ^^  He makes some very valid points about the typical back ground (or lack there of) of all too many designers.  Given the games that he has created, I'd tend to listen to him, even in light of what happened with Tabula Rasa.

I fault NCsoft *and* him for that failure.  NCsofts high level suits for playing political games (whose antics eventually ended up costing them $32 million)

Richard Garriott termination

Richard Garriott, lead developer of Tabula Rasa, sued NCsoft for US$47 million in damages concerning his termination from the company. Garriott asserted in his suit that he was forced out of the company and was made to sell his 400,000 shares in NCsoft's stock, losing him millions of dollars. In addition, he claimed that the company was guilty of fraud by forging his resignation announcement.[16] On July 30, 2010, a jury in a Texas federal court awarded him US$28 million in damages. NCsoft appealed the ruling.[17] Garriott again prevailed on appeal and NCsoft was required to pay an additional US$4 million, bringing the total damages awarded to Garriott to US$32 million.[18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCsoft#Richard_Garriott_termination

I also fault RG for his focus on his trip to space, rather than on his game.

Saying that most designers suck, is a bit stronger wording than I'd have used, but the essence remains the same.

  User Deleted
3/20/13 1:54:47 AM#13

I agree with the guy.  Hes made some great games in the past, and Tabula had a good idea that in hindsight was kind of ahead of its time with the whole...well i guess we call it dynamic events and mmofps...which seems to be the trend right now.

I do recall him stating, when asked about why kickstart for his new singleplayer game...said something along the lines that he will never use a publisher again...im guessing TR and NCsoft was the reason.

Its not the first time that a publisher/suits have pushed a game out the door simply for business strategy reasons and paid the price because the game was half baked because of it.  For some reason they see that as the better option than launching amongst competition...

 

To be honest...i wish this guy would make a proper mmorpg with no major company backing him already.  Even for a guy with pockets as deep as him...self funding a mmorpg...he probably doesnt have enough to do it.

 

Also, could care less about going to space, not sure why everyone bring that up like he had everyone on his team stop what they were doing during it.

 

It seems the better part of a decade developers though processes go like this: what worked in the past-->graphics--->how can we tweak systems to make the sound different but still are the same--->hype it

Its rarely following a vision, making a fun game, or inventing something new and actually changing mechanics a bit.  Did i say rarely?  i meant never...sorry

They all see one other game thats wildly successful and think...if i did that with better graphics....or if i did that with guns instead of swords...or if we can do that but make the quests passive and give it a cool name like dynamic something...or what if we put a massive cutscene storyline to break up the boredom that our standard issue game model is...

But they hype it good with lots of buzzwords that turn off logic in gamers brains and they make a fist full of cash at launch and so others see that and well...youve been playing that game for how long now?

 

Developers suck right now. Wouldnt be so bad if everyone and their mother didnt jump on the bandwagon that made like 3-4 older games so damn popular.  Remember those guys actually brought new ideas to the table, not regurgitated "innovation"

  strangiato2112

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 9/21/12
Posts: 1566

3/20/13 1:58:55 AM#14
Originally posted by johnisme

Did you read on why Tabula Rasa failed and that Richard Garriot sued  NCsoft for 28 million and won over his departure from Tabula Rasa?

I wouldn't want a publisher after that and do a kick starter instead.

If i won 28 million in a lawsuit i wouldnt be going to kickstarter to fund a game....

  Tuchaka

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/14/10
Posts: 466

3/20/13 2:03:12 AM#15

I grew up playing the ultima games long before ultima online came out he is 100% right and as said before he was not the reason tabula rasa failed. Consider how many wow rip off themepark games are in the MMO market none of those people should get any credit and yet tons of younger gamers give them so much credit for what.....no innovation and good marketing.

 

 The reason he is going to kickstarter is because innovation in the MMO market is dead and getting someone to back a project that is a radical departure from the clones of games is nearly impossible. Part of the reason so many publishing companies are backing projects wtih no innovation is they see a trend of gamers wanting innovative new games and then when someone does make those games there is a temporary migration from wow to the new game, and then after 6 months they go sinking back to wow. So the investors say well we must make a game like wow or we have no change to be succesful.  The more expensive projects get the less investors wanna fund anything innovative, look at the movies today notice a lot of remakes well that is because if your movie flops considering how expensive they are to make, the studio might go under.

 So they are marketing based on previous name recognition, people are more likely to accept an idea or concept they are already famaliar with than a new one. Well its the same thing with gaming , kickstarter is giving game ideas that are badly neededin this industry a chance the problem is your not gonna see AAA quality graphics. Well look at it this way even if you have no interest in any of the kicstarter projects tommorow's themepark games are gonna be influenced by indie projects that are succesful.

  Uhwop

Elite Member

Joined: 3/20/10
Posts: 1692

3/20/13 2:05:46 AM#16

The guy made one game 27 times. 

 

He doesn't have the slightest idea how to make gameS.  He knows how to make one game, 27 times. 

In basic, on punch cards. 

 

There's a reason why, outside of making the 27 ultimas, this guy has done nothing but talk for the last 40 years; no one uses macintosh anymore.  

  waynejr2

Elite Member

Joined: 4/12/11
Posts: 3805

RIP City of Heroes!

3/20/13 2:06:05 AM#17
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by rodingo
Plus maybe he feels it's ok to burn bridges by saying how most game designers suck today (not agreeing or disagreeing with that), but I have a feeling that's going to bite him in the arse.  I don't think his name is as golden anymore as he thinks it is.

"And then after I had that interview where I said all game designers suck, I couldn't find a good designer to work with for the life of me.  Man I hate being right all the time!"

 lol

  Baseline

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/23/04
Posts: 495

3/20/13 2:08:52 AM#18

I wouldn't trust Richard Garriot as far as I could throw him.

His fans make it out to sound like he was a victim with the NCSoft Tabula Rasa thing, but people only read his side of the story. Richard Garriot comes off as another Brad McQuaid type, meaning the type who shouldn't really be leading game development production in the modern world of massive teams and departments (this isn't just a game team making something and throwing it out there, it's a different game today), but rather working in some kind of lead designer position.

Every time you put these hot shot devs into management positions, things go south. It's no different in other parts of the businessworld. Rarely does good engineer = good businessman. Bill Gates is an oddity, or maybe not; he was hardly an engineer as much as a businessman who liked to tinker.. Woz would've never made a good businessman, and he admits it, and that's why people still like Woz.

  DAS1337

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/28/07
Posts: 2382

3/20/13 2:12:31 AM#19
Originally posted by Volgore

I just stumbled upon this on PCGamer: http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/03/19/richard-garriott-game-designers-suck/

I think for someone with a failed Tabula Rasa in his record and the need for a kickstarter for his new title, he is rolling up some heavy artillery there.

Have fun :)

 

Seeing as though his MMO is literally the longest surviving MMO in the history of MMO's, I don't think you can really say anything negative about him.

 

Plus, as it's been beaten to death, but still apparently not common knowledge..  Tabula Rasa died because of the decisions he was forced to make during development.  He did not get a chance to do what he wanted to with the game.  Plus, I believe it came way before it's time as far as technology is concerned.  As most of you have noticed.  There is now a large influx of FPS/TPS MMO'ish games being released lately.

  strangiato2112

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 9/21/12
Posts: 1566

3/20/13 2:16:33 AM#20

 

 The reason he is going to kickstarter is because innovation in the MMO market is dead projects tommorow's themepark games are gonna be influenced by indie projects that are succesful.

Because GW2 (no trinity, not heavily gearbased), TSW (modern setting, puzzle/mystery solving gameplay, skill wheel), and TERA (action oriented combat) are all standard games?  people that think everything is still WoW clones are blind to whats going on around them.  okay, TERA maybe be 'poor quality WoW with action combat", but the other two games are far, far from WoW clonish.  And of course games like PS2, Defiance and EoN (if it releases0 that are crossgenre games.

 

There is plenty of innovation out there.

 

 

The real question is why is a millionaire who can spend 30 million to go to space asking for crowd funding?

6 Pages 1 2 3 4 5 6 » Search