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  atticusbc

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3/16/13 8:07:40 AM#21
Originally posted by Tonin109
change the name of this website , you're talking about a game that is not a mmorpg

but it's the weekend, and current events. i for one am glad they posted it. it's not like simcity has a page here or anything. just an article which has sparked a debate. also, in case you haven't noticed by now, a lot of discussion happens on this site about games that aren't mmos. so... you could go to massively for your fix of pure mmo news? except they have an article that is called "not so massively." so i guess you're a little stuck.

back on topic: i wonder how many more people are going to pirate simcity who would have bought it simply because of ea/maxis' insanity?

  Tonin109

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3/16/13 8:53:57 AM#22
Originally posted by atticusbc
Originally posted by Tonin109
change the name of this website , you're talking about a game that is not a mmorpg

but it's the weekend, and current events. i for one am glad they posted it. it's not like simcity has a page here or anything. just an article which has sparked a debate. also, in case you haven't noticed by now, a lot of discussion happens on this site about games that aren't mmos. so... you could go to massively for your fix of pure mmo news? except they have an article that is called "not so massively." so i guess you're a little stuck.

back on topic: i wonder how many more people are going to pirate simcity who would have bought it simply because of ea/maxis' insanity?

there are already tons of websites about video games i'm here to check news for mmorpg if i want some news for others video games i know better website than this one

  crazynanny

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3/16/13 12:25:41 PM#23
Originally posted by tawess

Metacritic is useless... No it really is because the "footsloggers" claim that gaming sites are bought andfor the user score 8/10 times only people not happy with a product choose to put in a user score.. And of those most acre just little bubbles of spite and angre.

 

So... Tell me again what good a metacrit link is.

 

 

 

My point was to show quite huge group of annoyed and unhappy customers and metacritic and amazon are good examples of those. However feel free to link other better sites if you are unsatisfied. As for reviewers there are honest and ones in developer pocket. Impossible to distinguish...

Even people claiming to be outside industry blew on that one. I remember vid when reviewer was so astonished by so complex and advanced simulation. Then I've read on reddit and RPS how dumb and straightforward AI is. Makes you really wonder about honesty of every professional reviewer(I'm sure there are good ones too, apologies for generalization).

So I'd rather go with regular people opinions and keeping this game as always online angered many, yo have to be blind to claim otherwise. And then I hear some PR nonsence how people love it...

  Ghavrigg

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3/16/13 12:30:26 PM#24
I like the idea of this always-online SimCity with interactions with other players/cities, but they just appear to have handled the launch poorly. Maybe I'll give it a shot in the future when the price drops and the servers are more stable.
  kinido

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3/16/13 12:34:03 PM#25
Originally posted by Tonin109
change the name of this website , you're talking about a game that is not a mmorpg

 

 

 

Technically, it is. If you break it down it truly is .. You are roleplaying a city / mayer online in a massive world ( global market / leaderboards ), and it is a game, so yeah. It is able to be posted about on this website.

 

Just because its not like WoW or EQ, doesn't mean its an MMORPG.

 

 

Also, I for one, Love the online.

PS - All mammals have nipples.

Get over it already.


  Ecoces

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3/16/13 6:25:34 PM#26
Originally posted by tawess

Metacritic is useless... No it really is because the "footsloggers" claim that gaming sites are bought andfor the user score 8/10 times only people not happy with a product choose to put in a user score.. And of those most acre just little bubbles of spite and angre.

 

So... Tell me again what good a metacrit link is.

 

 

 

sorry but lots of companies use Metacritic as a rating, so just because you might be an EA shill or simcity fanboy and Metacritic has your game rated low, doesn't mean its useless.

  Purutzil

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3/16/13 7:52:25 PM#27
Originally posted by Ecoces
Originally posted by tawess

Metacritic is useless... No it really is because the "footsloggers" claim that gaming sites are bought andfor the user score 8/10 times only people not happy with a product choose to put in a user score.. And of those most acre just little bubbles of spite and angre.

 

So... Tell me again what good a metacrit link is.

 

 

 

sorry but lots of companies use Metacritic as a rating, so just because you might be an EA shill or simcity fanboy and Metacritic has your game rated low, doesn't mean its useless.

In a way metacritic can be considered a valid tool in terms of using it as a point to note when a game is viewed negatively.

 

That being said, there are plenty of cases where its been used for the wrong reasons (New DMC which a lot of negative votes were pushed for ruining Dante... which they did but hey, thats just one element to a game that isn't that bad). So yes and no. I like to use it as a meter of 'how much people dislike a game' meter, not for actually scoring the pros and cons of it, cause if its for that your going to NOT find a good rating there.

  Asamof

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3/16/13 10:30:06 PM#28
EA has always been terrible at damage control, but this is just getting embarrassing now
  sumo0

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3/17/13 1:04:09 AM#29
It's sad that people still buy their crap... Kill EA by ignoring everything they do or make.
  crazynanny

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3/17/13 1:31:58 AM#30

Also there is a drama with some modder(well he became evil hacker fast aka damage control) basically saying that SimCity servers doesn't calculate anything, they just give some raw numbers of basic values in neighboring cities, which could be easily done offline by any PC capable of running the game.



Which means that actually difference between always online and offline mode is few lines of code that allows saving on your disk instead servers and reading data about neighboring cities from memory. This perfectly shows that whole "advanced" simulation done by their servers was one big sham.

  austriacus

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Joined: 8/28/07
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3/17/13 2:24:24 AM#31
Originally posted by Purutzil
Originally posted by Ecoces
Originally posted by tawess

Metacritic is useless... No it really is because the "footsloggers" claim that gaming sites are bought andfor the user score 8/10 times only people not happy with a product choose to put in a user score.. And of those most acre just little bubbles of spite and angre.

 

So... Tell me again what good a metacrit link is.

 

 

 

sorry but lots of companies use Metacritic as a rating, so just because you might be an EA shill or simcity fanboy and Metacritic has your game rated low, doesn't mean its useless.

In a way metacritic can be considered a valid tool in terms of using it as a point to note when a game is viewed negatively.

 

That being said, there are plenty of cases where its been used for the wrong reasons (New DMC which a lot of negative votes were pushed for ruining Dante... which they did but hey, thats just one element to a game that isn't that bad). So yes and no. I like to use it as a meter of 'how much people dislike a game' meter, not for actually scoring the pros and cons of it, cause if its for that your going to NOT find a good rating there.

In DMC at least the oficial reviewers gave it a good score to even it out. On Simcities case the low scores are coming even from the gaming site reviews going as low as 20 out of 100.

The game has a lower score than darkspore for crying out loud. DARKSPORE.

  Camthylion

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Posts: 227

3/17/13 4:32:20 AM#32
Originally posted by firefly2003

They can't even keep their servers online and most people would rather play it offline , and already there has been a way found to play it offline without the "always online connection"

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/03/14/simcity-modded-for-offline-play.aspx

Where is the mod download link... no download, not truth.

  severius

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Joined: 8/10/04
Posts: 1510

3/17/13 10:26:24 AM#33
Originally posted by Tonin109
change the name of this website , you're talking about a game that is not a mmorpg

EA, Maxis, and Lucy Bradshaw would likely disagree :P

  User Deleted
3/17/13 10:46:29 AM#34

I love the concept that they're going for, but the execution thus far is falling flat on its face. If they want people to play together, why is it that every time I try to look for a region to join, the game shows me ones that are full? I know they've said they're going to prioritize the game finder to show regions with empty areas ahead of full ones, but shouldn't that have been the case to begin with?

I think the game is fun so far. But if I have to stay online, I want the gorram features I was promised. I want that multiplayer experience they said they would deliver. I want sims that actually have individual homes & jobs, and I want a traffic system that works properly. I understand that devs aren't perfect people, but with the resources available to them they should've been able to do better.

Definitely not buying any DLC until they fix the game.

  nilden

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3/17/13 2:56:55 PM#35

Instead of building from the ground up to be multiplayer maybe they should have built it from the ground up to be a good game.

One that didn't have tiny city plots, entire cities made with just residential, DRM and server problems, the laughable agent system for traffic and sims, and more...

Did they even play Sim City 4?

They act like it's impossible to make a single player game with optional multiplayer. It's sad to see Sim City turned into an always online service with excuses and lies trying to defend it when it never needed it in the first place.

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  majinant

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3/18/13 2:03:12 AM#36
Fundamentally, SimCity has always been a 'software toy'. That means that there's no real end state, no way to win. It's just a thing that you play and experiment with. You build, and tinker, and mess around. It's a toy, not a game; it's a sandbox, not baseball.

So, in this iteration of the game, you don't even get to buy your toy. Rather, you rent a toy from EA, who lets you play with it only in very limited, circumscribed ways, only on their servers. So you have to have a live Internet connection at all times, and their servers have to be up, and have to have space for you. And the rules for play are draconian. If you want to, say, build a city, save it, blow it up with something terrible, and then restore from save, you can't do that anymore. That's an unauthorized usage of their toy. And if you figure out ways of using their toy that they don't like, they'll ban you forever.

All third-party modding is shut out. One of the best parts of SimCity 4 and The Sims is that users can create and share content among themselves for free. You will no longer be able to do this. You will be required to run only Official Authorized Content.

Further, you're not getting the whole game for your $60 or $80, depending on what version you're buying. EA's plan is to sell you Simcity 5 over and over and over. They've directly admitted that they already have it running with larger cities, but they're not releasing that now. They claim it's because it "won't run on Dad's PC", but the real reason is so they can sell it to you again later. Want subways? That's gonna be $20. Want railroads? Another $20. Bigger cities? Oh, that's in the $30 expansion.

Right now, if you look at The Sims 3, the game costs $30. But if also you buy all the DLC for it, it's *four hundred and seventy dollars*. This is what they are doing with SimCity 5; locking you into their server infrastructure, and then exploiting the heck out of your wallet.

This is a lousy deal, and you would be stupid to take it. Always-on DRM, and a deliberately crippled game, so that they can slowly uncripple it, charging you for every restored feature from prior versions.

Simcity 4 still works pretty well. It's not quite as nice as most current games, and can require you to 'pin' the process to just one processor on a multi-core system (ie, most current machines), but if you want a city builder where you won't have to pay extra to breathe both in AND out, that would be a better option.

But buying this game? In my opinion, you would be wiser to take three twenties out of your wallet, and light them on fire.

  User Deleted
3/18/13 4:44:05 AM#37
majinant, reading your post gave me some major déjà vu like whoa.
  cheyane

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3/18/13 4:55:51 AM#38
Wonderfully put Majinant I am in total agreement.

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  Thane

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3/18/13 5:39:57 AM#39

they just forgot to start (all) servers on day one :>

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  Thane

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3/18/13 5:40:33 AM#40

uh and btw, basically baseball is played in a sandbox too *G*

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