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  Ortwig

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3/16/13 10:38:55 PM#41
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by Vhaln
Originally posted by Ortwig
People say they hate grind, but when it is removed people whine about not having "enough to do."

because what they really mean, is that they hate games where there isn't much to do, except grind.

Actually what it really means is that some people like grind, but won't admit it.

Well if they like the activity, they it is no longer monotonous or unpleasant right?  Therefore it's not a grind anymore.

To some, doing something montonous or repititous is not unpleasant.  

  Loktofeit

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3/16/13 11:25:08 PM#42
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by Vhaln
Originally posted by Ortwig
People say they hate grind, but when it is removed people whine about not having "enough to do."

because what they really mean, is that they hate games where there isn't much to do, except grind.

Actually what it really means is that some people like grind, but won't admit it.

Well if they like the activity, they it is no longer monotonous or unpleasant right?  Therefore it's not a grind anymore.

To some, doing something montonous or repititous is not unpleasant.  

Thus, the 'not a grind' statement.

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  GregorMcgregor

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3/16/13 11:38:34 PM#43

Not so sure I would love the old grind as much, after all we've been somewhat spoiled, but I do miss the feeling.

Getting to 50 in DaoC was like winning the lottery, I feel it made leveling in Rift, SWTOR and GW2 feel very fast, and empty. Like I'd been handed something for free. :)

Would I skip it? Maybe, I'd try it & if it was hellish, then I'd skip it. Always need to try a piece 1st. ;)

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  KaosProphet

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3/17/13 12:05:21 AM#44
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Lot of people in the community say they enjoy the old school grinding that progression required in older MMOs.

I say the 'grind' was never a good thing.  I doubt most people (masochists aside) liked it for itself; I believe they liked the side effects of it, or perhaps the schadenfreude of watching others suffer through it. 

Even me, to some extent.  I hate the grind, and couldn't care less about 'progression' itself.  But I did like the throttling effect that the grind (or other 'tedium' features, like slow-travel) imposes on the speed of content consumption, and would be willing to put up with some grind to maintain that.  

  KaosProphet

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3/17/13 12:09:12 AM#45
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by Vhaln
Originally posted by Ortwig
People say they hate grind, but when it is removed people whine about not having "enough to do."

because what they really mean, is that they hate games where there isn't much to do, except grind.

Actually what it really means is that some people like grind, but won't admit it.

Well if they like the activity, they it is no longer monotonous or unpleasant right?  Therefore it's not a grind anymore.

To some, doing something montonous or repititous is not unpleasant.  

To some, being beaten senseless with a steel rod is a turn on.  And while I am in full support of risk-aware consensual kink, I'm not about to go proselytizing it's virtues to the skeptical.

(Although in fairness, I must admit that I have and likely will do so regarding other analogs...)

  Ghavrigg

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3/17/13 12:10:59 AM#46
A game without some sort of grind would get old and boring incredibly quick. With nothing to work towards, there's nothing to look forward to, thus no reason to continue playing.
  Ortwig

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3/17/13 12:14:45 AM#47
Originally posted by KaosProphet
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by Vhaln
Originally posted by Ortwig
People say they hate grind, but when it is removed people whine about not having "enough to do."

because what they really mean, is that they hate games where there isn't much to do, except grind.

Actually what it really means is that some people like grind, but won't admit it.

Well if they like the activity, they it is no longer monotonous or unpleasant right?  Therefore it's not a grind anymore.

To some, doing something montonous or repititous is not unpleasant.  

To some, being beaten senseless with a steel rod is a turn on.  And while I am in full support of risk-aware consensual kink, I'm not about to go proselytizing it's virtues to the skeptical.

(Although in fairness, I must admit that I have and likely will do so regarding other analogs...)

Unfortunately, there are more people who like being beaten with steel rods (and won't admit it) than you think.   I'm not one of them, just sayin...

  Ortwig

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3/17/13 12:23:10 AM#48
Originally posted by Ghavrigg
A game without some sort of grind would get old and boring incredibly quick. With nothing to work towards, there's nothing to look forward to, thus no reason to continue playing.

^ See what I mean?  ;)

  waynejr2

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3/17/13 12:26:01 AM#49
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by Vhaln
Originally posted by Ortwig
People say they hate grind, but when it is removed people whine about not having "enough to do."

because what they really mean, is that they hate games where there isn't much to do, except grind.

Actually what it really means is that some people like grind, but won't admit it.

Well if they like the activity, they it is no longer monotonous or unpleasant right?  Therefore it's not a grind anymore.

 Grind = time.  Everything in a game is a grind.  It makes it simple to think about and won't get stuck in life worrying about the "correct" definition of grind.

  Ghavrigg

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3/17/13 12:31:16 AM#50
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by Ghavrigg
A game without some sort of grind would get old and boring incredibly quick. With nothing to work towards, there's nothing to look forward to, thus no reason to continue playing.

^ See what I mean?  ;)

I do! As long as there are options as to how you grind, I don't mind the grind. it's necessary.

  KaosProphet

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3/17/13 12:31:25 AM#51
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by KaosProphet
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by Vhaln
Originally posted by Ortwig
People say they hate grind, but when it is removed people whine about not having "enough to do."

because what they really mean, is that they hate games where there isn't much to do, except grind.

Actually what it really means is that some people like grind, but won't admit it.

Well if they like the activity, they it is no longer monotonous or unpleasant right?  Therefore it's not a grind anymore.

To some, doing something montonous or repititous is not unpleasant.  

To some, being beaten senseless with a steel rod is a turn on.  And while I am in full support of risk-aware consensual kink, I'm not about to go proselytizing it's virtues to the skeptical.

(Although in fairness, I must admit that I have and likely will do so regarding other analogs...)

Unfortunately, there are more people who like being beaten with steel rods (and won't admit it) than you think.   I'm not one of them, just sayin...

That's not what's unfortunate.

What's unfortunate is when they ask for you to be beaten with a steel rod, and suggest that you're lying when you say you don't like it.

  Ghavrigg

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3/17/13 12:36:21 AM#52
Originally posted by KaosProphet
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by KaosProphet
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by Vhaln
Originally posted by Ortwig
People say they hate grind, but when it is removed people whine about not having "enough to do."

because what they really mean, is that they hate games where there isn't much to do, except grind.

Actually what it really means is that some people like grind, but won't admit it.

Well if they like the activity, they it is no longer monotonous or unpleasant right?  Therefore it's not a grind anymore.

To some, doing something montonous or repititous is not unpleasant.  

To some, being beaten senseless with a steel rod is a turn on.  And while I am in full support of risk-aware consensual kink, I'm not about to go proselytizing it's virtues to the skeptical.

(Although in fairness, I must admit that I have and likely will do so regarding other analogs...)

Unfortunately, there are more people who like being beaten with steel rods (and won't admit it) than you think.   I'm not one of them, just sayin...

That's not what's unfortunate.

What's unfortunate is when they ask for you to be beaten with a steel rod, and suggest that you're lying when you say you don't like it.

I feel a lot of people love to try to "overcome the impossible." People want to feel special somehow, and whether it's gaming or any other aspect of life, they enjoy being appreciated. If there's no challenge, they have no reason to play, and I believe they ARE lying. They just want an easier way to be recognized, even though that goes against the entire idea. They need to be fucked with, and they need to overcome it, and when they do, they believe themselves better people for it, even if that's not entirely true.

  VengeSunsoar

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3/17/13 12:41:20 AM#53
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by Vhaln
Originally posted by Ortwig
People say they hate grind, but when it is removed people whine about not having "enough to do."

because what they really mean, is that they hate games where there isn't much to do, except grind.

Actually what it really means is that some people like grind, but won't admit it.

Well if they like the activity, they it is no longer monotonous or unpleasant right?  Therefore it's not a grind anymore.

 Grind = time.  Everything in a game is a grind.  It makes it simple to think about and won't get stuck in life worrying about the "correct" definition of grind.

No sorry.  Grind is a repetetive, monotonous and unpleasant activity.  You know like grinding stone, wheat... wearing it down...  Thats where it came from. 

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Antiquated

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3/17/13 1:10:52 AM#54
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

No sorry.  Grind is a repetetive, monotonous and unpleasant activity.  You know like grinding stone, wheat... wearing it down...  Thats where it came from. 

So MMOs in general, going by the complaints?

  VengeSunsoar

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3/17/13 1:19:20 AM#55
Originally posted by Antiquated
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

No sorry.  Grind is a repetetive, monotonous and unpleasant activity.  You know like grinding stone, wheat... wearing it down...  Thats where it came from. 

So MMOs in general, going by the complaints?

haha seems like it doesn't it.

edit - in previous post meant to say and/or unpleasant activity

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  KaosProphet

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3/17/13 1:59:29 AM#56
Originally posted by Ghavrigg
Originally posted by KaosProphet
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by KaosProphet
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by Vhaln
Originally posted by Ortwig
People say they hate grind, but when it is removed people whine about not having "enough to do."

because what they really mean, is that they hate games where there isn't much to do, except grind.

Actually what it really means is that some people like grind, but won't admit it.

Well if they like the activity, they it is no longer monotonous or unpleasant right?  Therefore it's not a grind anymore.

To some, doing something montonous or repititous is not unpleasant.  

To some, being beaten senseless with a steel rod is a turn on.  And while I am in full support of risk-aware consensual kink, I'm not about to go proselytizing it's virtues to the skeptical.

(Although in fairness, I must admit that I have and likely will do so regarding other analogs...)

Unfortunately, there are more people who like being beaten with steel rods (and won't admit it) than you think.   I'm not one of them, just sayin...

That's not what's unfortunate.

What's unfortunate is when they ask for you to be beaten with a steel rod, and suggest that you're lying when you say you don't like it.

I feel a lot of people love to try to "overcome the impossible." People want to feel special somehow, and whether it's gaming or any other aspect of life, they enjoy being appreciated. If there's no challenge, they have no reason to play, and I believe they ARE lying.

I believe that's the same line of thinking that creates rapists in the analogy I was using.

 

  VengeSunsoar

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3/17/13 2:02:56 AM#57
Originally posted by KaosProphet
Originally posted by Ghavrigg
Originally posted by KaosProphet
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by KaosProphet
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by Vhaln
Originally posted by Ortwig
People say they hate grind, but when it is removed people whine about not having "enough to do."

because what they really mean, is that they hate games where there isn't much to do, except grind.

Actually what it really means is that some people like grind, but won't admit it.

Well if they like the activity, they it is no longer monotonous or unpleasant right?  Therefore it's not a grind anymore.

To some, doing something montonous or repititous is not unpleasant.  

To some, being beaten senseless with a steel rod is a turn on.  And while I am in full support of risk-aware consensual kink, I'm not about to go proselytizing it's virtues to the skeptical.

(Although in fairness, I must admit that I have and likely will do so regarding other analogs...)

Unfortunately, there are more people who like being beaten with steel rods (and won't admit it) than you think.   I'm not one of them, just sayin...

That's not what's unfortunate.

What's unfortunate is when they ask for you to be beaten with a steel rod, and suggest that you're lying when you say you don't like it.

I feel a lot of people love to try to "overcome the impossible." People want to feel special somehow, and whether it's gaming or any other aspect of life, they enjoy being appreciated. If there's no challenge, they have no reason to play, and I believe they ARE lying.

I believe that's the same line of thinking that creates rapists in the analogy I was using.

 

 Yes people do want to feel special even in a game.  No most people IMO are not playign a game to feel special, or to overcome a challenge, they are playing a game for enjoyment. Thats it.  Sometimes enjoyment is in a challenge, sometimes its to get together with friends, often it's just to relax.  Challenge and personal enjoyment, while they can overlap, really are two very very different issues. 

Reasons to play, challenge is likely low on the list. 

Playing a video game is rarely challenging, yes even the hard ones, its' a video game. 

I like to work with wood.  The first desk I built was a challenge.  The 10th desk wasn't.  But I still like building them, it's relaxing seeing the wood take shape - but it isn't a challenge anymore (most designs that is).

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Vhaln

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3/17/13 5:36:06 AM#58
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

No sorry.  Grind is a repetetive, monotonous and unpleasant activity.  You know like grinding stone, wheat... wearing it down...  Thats where it came from. 

"Unpleasant" is too subjective, but yeah, I think the grind usually refers to any goal driven activity which is monotonous and repetitive.  The sort of gameplay you wouldn't do, if not for the rewards you get for doing it (levelling up, skill advancement, etc)

Given that definition, sure, some people like it.  Some people are fine just killing the same mobs over and over.  I get that.  I just thought we were talking about the people who say they don't like it.  Those people usually mean that they want more varied gameplay, so simply removing the grind, without replacing it with anything, isn't exactly a solution.

When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  wordiz

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3/17/13 5:59:26 AM#59
It used to mean something to have a capped character.  I think people are starting to realize instant gratification isn't realy that gratifying. 

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  jimdandy26

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3/17/13 6:10:51 AM#60
Mario sure is a hell of a grind and that guy sure is not popular! oh wait...

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