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  Arclan

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OP  3/13/13 1:42:28 PM#61


Originally posted by Nitth
Mob.

Where's the poll????


Why didn't I think of that. /facepalm

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  TheJoda

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3/13/13 1:56:25 PM#62

This question really pokes at the true issue today with MMO's in general.  Everyone wants everything NOW!  We feel we must rush till max lvl to just play,or have "end game" content. 

Why not have leveling content??? oh wait  EQ did that, there were zones, dungens as we leveled to keep us content. We were able to do EPIC quest for our weapons as we leveled.....this is where games fail now in my opinion, they focus everything after max lvl.

 

I truly hope EQnext brings this back....bring back content where we can raid not at max lvl, bring back content for 30+ players needed.  I recall raiding to kill the AoW needing over 60 people when that content came out, which that took time it  BUILT player relationships!

 

 

 

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  User Deleted
3/13/13 2:15:14 PM#63

I'm finding it difficult to believe how many people in this thread claim they would prefer to just mindlessly grind mobs for xp instead of questing. Quests can be made up of combat/non-combat type of activities, vehicle type encounters, exploration, etc. Some may be quick...other may be long epic chains.

 

Basically, you are choosing one humungus kill 1 million rats quest to gain xp. Really? That's fun to you? I see people argue for it because they had fun socializing while farming the mobs...but can't people socialize while questing? I'm just really amazed at the preferece people are claiming...are you all botters?

 

 

  Reizla

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MMORPGs are no longer about the mass multi-user anymore *sadly*

3/13/13 2:27:15 PM#64
Originally posted by Arclan

In EQ, we earned xp several hours at a time by killing mobs. Much of that time involved joking around with newly met friends. Often, you came to respect their wit and skill and made a game-long friend and in some cases a lifelong friend.

In Vanguard, I earned xp by doing quests. This never involved staying in one place for more than just a few minutes. If you are busy moving or fighting, you don't have time to chat. So no new friends were made in Vanguard.

Most games require xp, and many refer to that as a 'grind.' So pick your poison.

I like both the quest and the mob 'grind'. As long as leveling doesn't go too fast. Or rather goes nice & slow. I don't want to kill 5 mobs or complete 2 quests and gain a level... 

About the mob grind... Yeah, I've met lots of friends doing so in Lineage II back in the days. Awesome experience, both gaming and social. Good thing that Lineage II allowed chat & skill use at once (F- and ALT-keys for skills)...

About quest grind... Yeah, sadly, you won't stay long in one spot, but good thing that Vanguard (just to name that one again) has a very active global/continent chat to socialize in...

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  TheJoda

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3/13/13 2:31:30 PM#65
Originally posted by Psychow

I'm finding it difficult to believe how many people in this thread claim they would prefer to just mindlessly grind mobs for xp instead of questing. Quests can be made up of combat/non-combat type of activities, vehicle type encounters, exploration, etc. Some may be quick...other may be long epic chains.

 

Basically, you are choosing one humungus kill 1 million rats quest to gain xp. Really? That's fun to you? I see people argue for it because they had fun socializing while farming the mobs...but can't people socialize while questing? I'm just really amazed at the preferece people are claiming...are you all botters?

 

 

....I hear ya, I believe we can do quest and group up and communicate also but at least the games Ive played once u group its gogogogo kill kill, get loot and leave group....not much down time for chat.  The down time when gathering mana or resting is where the communication is key.

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  nariusseldon

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3/13/13 2:34:55 PM#66
Originally posted by TheJoda

I truly hope EQnext brings this back....bring back content where we can raid not at max lvl, bring back content for 30+ players needed.  I recall raiding to kill the AoW needing over 60 people when that content came out, which that took time it  BUILT player relationships!

 

 

 

Unless you have a LFR feature, i doubt that would be very popular.

Thinking about the horror of waiting for 29 people to show up, and have to sync everyone schedule .. jsut to play a game.

  Reizla

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3/13/13 2:38:47 PM#67
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by TheJoda

I truly hope EQnext brings this back....bring back content where we can raid not at max lvl, bring back content for 30+ players needed.  I recall raiding to kill the AoW needing over 60 people when that content came out, which that took time it  BUILT player relationships!

 

 

 

Unless you have a LFR feature, i doubt that would be very popular.

Thinking about the horror of waiting for 29 people to show up, and have to sync everyone schedule .. jsut to play a game.

This required Guild/Alliance planning and with a slow-level progress system it'll be popular...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KQBzbTyjEA - 60+ man for a Lineage II raid. We did it bi-weekly and LOVED it each time.

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  User Deleted
3/13/13 2:40:32 PM#68
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by TheJoda

I truly hope EQnext brings this back....bring back content where we can raid not at max lvl, bring back content for 30+ players needed.  I recall raiding to kill the AoW needing over 60 people when that content came out, which that took time it  BUILT player relationships! 

 

Unless you have a LFR feature, i doubt that would be very popular.

Thinking about the horror of waiting for 29 people to show up, and have to sync everyone schedule .. jsut to play a game.

 

Why 30+ players? Why not 25? We have games such as WoW that do 25 player raids. Is there something magical about 30+ or is it just a way to exclude WoW?

 

WoW also has 40 player World Bosses now...so your wish has been granted...

  GrayGhost79

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3/13/13 2:42:38 PM#69
Originally posted by Psychow

I'm finding it difficult to believe how many people in this thread claim they would prefer to just mindlessly grind mobs for xp instead of questing. Quests can be made up of combat/non-combat type of activities, vehicle type encounters, exploration, etc. Some may be quick...other may be long epic chains.

 

Basically, you are choosing one humungus kill 1 million rats quest to gain xp. Really? That's fun to you? I see people argue for it because they had fun socializing while farming the mobs...but can't people socialize while questing? I'm just really amazed at the preferece people are claiming...are you all botters?

 

 

You prefer going and talking to some guy that tells you to go kill 5 rats then come back so he can tell you to do it again? 

MMO's don't give you quests to do, they give you errands. I'd rather grind mobs than play errand boy online for the umpteenth time.  

  User Deleted
3/13/13 2:47:32 PM#70
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Psychow

I'm finding it difficult to believe how many people in this thread claim they would prefer to just mindlessly grind mobs for xp instead of questing. Quests can be made up of combat/non-combat type of activities, vehicle type encounters, exploration, etc. Some may be quick...other may be long epic chains.

 

Basically, you are choosing one humungus kill 1 million rats quest to gain xp. Really? That's fun to you? I see people argue for it because they had fun socializing while farming the mobs...but can't people socialize while questing? I'm just really amazed at the preferece people are claiming...are you all botters?

 

 

You prefer going and talking to some guy that tells you to go kill 5 rats then come back so he can tell you to do it again? 

MMO's don't give you quests to do, they give you errands. I'd rather grind mobs than play errand boy online for the umpteenth time.  

 

I'd rather save the poor farmer from the rat infesation that soon leads to a quest to eliminate the big bad evil in the sewers that drove the rats to the farm in the first place than to mindlessly kill rats for no other reast than xp for the unpteenth time.

 

You are saying doing quests are repetetive...but how is mob grinding not repetetitive?

  Homitu

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3/13/13 2:48:33 PM#71

Neither and both.  The greater the variety of things to do while leveling, the less it seems to feel like a grind at all.  You shouldn't just have to grind mobs.  You shouldn't just have to quest.  You shouldn't just have to do dungeons.  There's so much room for puzzles, and platforming games, and pvp leveling, and lengthy group story missions, and lengthy quests with diverse progression goals (class specific armor, spells, ability upgrades, area unlocks, transportation unlocks, dungeon unlocks), and even major raids, all of which can take place during the leveling process.  

Imagine a game that can once again be all about the journey.  A game that's filled with such fun and diverse gameplay experiences during the leveling process that players never feel like they are grinding.  Imagine actually wanting to stop at level 10 to participate in some lengthy group content because it contains not only imortant progression assets you'll need for the next set of levels, but also because it's a ton of fun.  And imagine content at these level milestones remaining relevant to you as you attain even higher levels.  

  GrayGhost79

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3/13/13 3:00:22 PM#72
Originally posted by Psychow
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Psychow

I'm finding it difficult to believe how many people in this thread claim they would prefer to just mindlessly grind mobs for xp instead of questing. Quests can be made up of combat/non-combat type of activities, vehicle type encounters, exploration, etc. Some may be quick...other may be long epic chains.

 

Basically, you are choosing one humungus kill 1 million rats quest to gain xp. Really? That's fun to you? I see people argue for it because they had fun socializing while farming the mobs...but can't people socialize while questing? I'm just really amazed at the preferece people are claiming...are you all botters?

 

 

You prefer going and talking to some guy that tells you to go kill 5 rats then come back so he can tell you to do it again? 

MMO's don't give you quests to do, they give you errands. I'd rather grind mobs than play errand boy online for the umpteenth time.  

 

I'd rather save the poor farmer from the rat infesation that soon leads to a quest to eliminate the big bad evil in the sewers that drove the rats to the farm in the first place than to mindlessly kill rats for no other reast than xp for the unpteenth time.

 

You are saying doing quests are repetetive...but how is mob grinding not repetetitive?

You are doing the same thing either way. The difference is I can spend my time killing the same rats the quest would tell me to go kill rather than having to keep going back and forth and getting the XP from the farmer. 

 

I spent 10+ years playing UO, 5 years playing FFXI. I spend maybe 2-3 months tops in newer quest centric MMO's. 

 

I'm all for a good story or well done quests, they certainly have their place in games. These generic "quests" that are nothing more than repeatable errands as the method to level is not the way quests need to be done for me. 

 

You may not like killing mobs, thats fine. If you prefer running errands then by all means continue to do so. Just understand your prefference isn't the only way. 

 

I like killing virtual stuff in a fantasy or scifi setting, I don't like running errands in any setting lol. 

 

 

  BahamutKaiser

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On hiatus for a while guys, MMOs still aren't interesting me.

3/13/13 8:03:12 PM#73

I dont think mobs vs quests is at the real heart of the problem, grind itself is, both could and should be designed to be fun. You shouldnt be doing errand quests, and you shouldn't be fighting mundain and boring battles.

There are dozens of games which showcase how repetatively battling in the same situation can be fun, and just as many which have great enjoyable quests sequences. What bothers me is that old MMOs felt it was ok to have mundane gameplay...

The social aspects may have been a byproduct of boring gameplay, but inventive gameplay can be made which is interesting even if it is low intensity. We are talking about RPGs here, if they make the automated combat attractive and entertaining... Well at least some may feel comfortable with it and enjoy socializing again.

Both quests and battling have there merits, both should be featured and semi optional. It's often possible to do both as well...

Beyond that, everybody needs to take their blinders off and stop making comparisons on the other based on their isolated experience and appreciate others preferance. Some subjects, especially ones on a forum about a variety of games, are conditional to preferance, and there are pros and cons for each.

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  TheJoda

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3/13/13 10:35:36 PM#74
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by TheJoda

I truly hope EQnext brings this back....bring back content where we can raid not at max lvl, bring back content for 30+ players needed.  I recall raiding to kill the AoW needing over 60 people when that content came out, which that took time it  BUILT player relationships!

 

 

 

Unless you have a LFR feature, i doubt that would be very popular.

Thinking about the horror of waiting for 29 people to show up, and have to sync everyone schedule .. jsut to play a game.

....again missing the point completely, not wait for some LFG tool......this is why guilds are formed!

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  CalmOceans

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3/14/13 12:45:40 AM#75
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by TheJoda

I truly hope EQnext brings this back....bring back content where we can raid not at max lvl, bring back content for 30+ players needed.  I recall raiding to kill the AoW needing over 60 people when that content came out, which that took time it  BUILT player relationships!

 

 

 

Unless you have a LFR feature, i doubt that would be very popular.

Thinking about the horror of waiting for 29 people to show up, and have to sync everyone schedule .. jsut to play a game.

LFR is the worst thing ever invented. Why the hell would you add an LFR feature to a game like Everquest, it never had it and it never needed it.

You announce you're starting a raid, you start talking to people in the world, start making friends, start building your raid and you ENGAGE WITH OTHER HUMAN BEINGS.

EQ had pick-up raids every day on our server, you make the raids yourself, you learn who is who and build a community.

Yes it takes time, yes it takes organisation skill, yes it takes putting yourself out there and being vulnerable, it takes courage to lead 60 players you know nothing about, it takes getting to know them, it takes social skills and learning how to mediate during conflicts, it prepares you for real raiding. It make the community.

If you want LFR or automated grouping play WoW, where you let the game do the socialising for you and where the only thing that matters is your gearscore.

  KaosProphet

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3/14/13 12:48:34 AM#76


Originally posted by tupodawg999

Originally posted by Verik97 Mob grinding is definitely better imo. Quests should be epic and heroic feats, not helping Farmer Joe clear his field of rats or running errands for Guardsman Bob, who needs you to deliver a message to his girlfriend.
I think lowbie quests *shouldn't* be heroic as that's one of the things that makes them silly. I think they should mostly be mundane repeatable chores that fit in with the world like collecting food or killing vermin or delivering mail
Depends on the setting and class(or starting template, if classless) structure. If you start out as a civilian and level into an adventuring class/template later, then sure.

But otherwise: it's a bad bloody joke to have even a green warrior fresh out of basic training threshing wheat or delivering mail as a means of improving his combat skills (ie. gaining XP.)

On that note: quests shouldn't give XP at all. Reputation, money, gear or other such rewards, sure. But not XP.


  KaosProphet

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3/14/13 12:55:20 AM#77
Originally posted by CalmOceans
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by TheJoda

I truly hope EQnext brings this back....bring back content where we can raid not at max lvl, bring back content for 30+ players needed.  I recall raiding to kill the AoW needing over 60 people when that content came out, which that took time it  BUILT player relationships!

 

Unless you have a LFR feature, i doubt that would be very popular.

Thinking about the horror of waiting for 29 people to show up, and have to sync everyone schedule .. jsut to play a game.

LFR is the worst thing ever invented. Why the hell would you add an LFR feature to a game like Everquest, it never had it and it never needed it.

You announce you're starting a raid, you start talking to people in the world, start making friends, start building your raid and you ENGAGE WITH OTHER HUMAN BEINGS.

EQ had pick-up raids every day on our server, you make the raids yourself, you learn who is who and build a community.

Yes it takes time, yes it takes organisation skill, yes it takes putting yourself out there and being vulnerable, it takes courage to lead 60 players you know nothing about, it takes getting to know them. It make the community.

I've found the more I 'get to know' raiders, the more I wish whatever game I was playing with them had effective outlets for griefing activitiies.  Ideally, "gank and dry-loot."

I guess tastes will vary.  But as far as I can see, LFR wasn't anything more than a catalyst for problems that were just waiting under the surface in the first place.

  nariusseldon

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3/14/13 11:01:58 AM#78
Originally posted by CalmOceans

You announce you're starting a raid, you start talking to people in the world, start making friends, start building your raid and you ENGAGE WITH OTHER HUMAN BEINGS.

LOL .. people take 30 min talking without acheiving anything.

Count me out. I don't play games to just chat. LFR is popular. If not, Blizz won't spend the effort to make it into every content expansion.

 

  bcbully

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3/14/13 11:06:31 AM#79

Neither. 

 

Time skill upgrade. If there must be XP, make it almost nothing for quest and mob grind. Have other system to earn. Be creative.

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  Sephiroso

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3/14/13 11:07:06 AM#80
Originally posted by Nyrrho
Originally posted by Alioth

Mob grinding, but with a party. EQ and FFXI rocked! I can't play quest grinders.

This. There was something to be said sitting in one spot for hours with the same group of people in FFXI. I don't think anyone would disagree that it definitely facilitates community more than running from hub to hub.

there was very little talking involved in my xp grind parties in ffxi, even the ones that i wasn't in mostly japanese speaking parties using the auto-chat feature


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