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General Discussion  » Bad taste from Warhammer Online and now CU?

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  Thornz2000

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OP  3/13/13 9:17:59 PM#1

I'm not %100 sure to trust Mark Jacobs after the WHO thing.

Many promises he made was broken.

So is CU going to be different?

Thoughts?

 

The world we know is going away http://www.graystatemovie.com/
Look up Agenda 21 as well.

  BowbowDAoC

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3/13/13 9:28:30 PM#2

behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

Bowbow (kob hunter) Infecto (kob cave shammy) and Thurka (troll warrior) on Merlin/Midgard DAoC
Thurka on WAR

  Mtibbs1989

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3/13/13 9:30:44 PM#3
Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

MJ is a joke of a dev who refused to listen to the playerbase. I think everyone who played Warhammer Online and or listened to his podcasts can agree to his notorious quote - "It's working as intended."


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  BowbowDAoC

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3/13/13 9:34:01 PM#4
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

MJ is a joke of a dev who refused to listen to the playerbase. I think everyone who played Warhammer Online and or listened to his podcasts can agree to his notorious quote - "It's working as intended."

working as intented can mean so much :) like who's intentions ? but anyways, we could argue for hours, guess we'll have to wait and see :)

Bowbow (kob hunter) Infecto (kob cave shammy) and Thurka (troll warrior) on Merlin/Midgard DAoC
Thurka on WAR

  Thornz2000

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OP  3/13/13 9:35:14 PM#5

I did not hear to clear when he left and why.

I loved WHO, but it came down hard. Liked the game but seems it was sentenced to a slow painful death.

WHO was the 1st CE game I ever bought and my last I think.

I loved DAoC tons so when I saw CU and his name I got mixed emotions.

Hope it does turn out well.  WOuld be very nice to be playing a great sequal to DAoC.

The world we know is going away http://www.graystatemovie.com/
Look up Agenda 21 as well.

  Tuktz

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3/13/13 9:50:36 PM#6
Originally posted by Thornz2000

I'm not %100 sure to trust Mark Jacobs after the WHO thing.

Many promises he made was broken.

So is CU going to be different?

Thoughts?

 

That's your point of view, but I played both and don't feel that way at all. I've been in beaurocratic environments

before and know how frustrating they can be. I'm not excusing him from any blame, but I wouldn't try to hold him solely responsible either. A lot of elements came together with the war situation. There can be all sorts of voices in a room of ideas. The one that improves business numbers will win out every time. Tis especially occurs when companies are worried about quarterly numbers/reports so go for short term benefit and ignore long term harm.


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  SoMuchMass

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3/13/13 10:00:12 PM#7
Gamers are so unforgiving.  Name one developer that didn't make an "average" game.  I liked WAR a lot, the PvP was great, it had great potential but it failed because it released too early and was rushed.
  jtcgs

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3/13/13 10:02:00 PM#8
Originally posted by Thornz2000

I'm not %100 sure to trust Mark Jacobs after the WHO thing.

Many promises he made was broken.

So is CU going to be different?

Thoughts?

 

 Dont expect to get anything here other than watered down excuses. For example, no doubt everyone will say War was the fault of a big evil corporate entity and nothing was Jacobs fault...even though the man himself says most of it was his fault and even talks at length about the mistakes with DaoC.

So even he himself says he was at fault.

So, look at CU itself, see that the game is being based on the same ideas as DaoC, a 12 year old game showing even more that he hasnt evoled as a game maker and really loves old outdated forms of gameplay.

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  tokesh

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3/13/13 10:12:48 PM#9

Unforgiving? Right.

The next SimCity will probably outsell the current one. 

  fiftyplusgeek

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3/13/13 10:16:08 PM#10
Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

Give me a break.

MJ was solely responsible for that WHO fiasco. Blaming EA is like blaming your boss for your screw up. Any "leader" who can't successfully manage his superiors isn't much of a leader at all.

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  Tierless

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3/13/13 10:21:06 PM#11

Weve been over this extensively with the final answer being, yes.

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  aRtFuLThinG

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3/13/13 10:25:22 PM#12
Originally posted by Thornz2000

bad taste from Warhammer Online

 Bad taste??

You do know that there is nothing really wrong with WAR except for the instanced battleground implementation (which it don't need), the imbalance of 2 factions war and the fact that it was prematurely released (because of pressure frm EA) rite?

And the fact that it came out at the wrong time - came out during the pinnacle days of WoW, just like AoC, and got beaten to the bloodly pulp by WoW.

WAR was NOT a bad game. Just not a good enough game.

  Vunak23

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3/13/13 10:30:30 PM#13
Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

Give me a break.

MJ was solely responsible for that WHO fiasco. Blaming EA is like blaming your boss for your screw up. Any "leader" who can't successfully manage his superiors isn't much of a leader at all.

You ever heard of being micromanaged? Yea EA is notorious for that. Just look at EA's past and you won't be so up in arms about it being all MJ's fault. 

"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  Skuz

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3/13/13 10:34:31 PM#14
Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

^ This, Mark Jacobs pretty much got his hands tied by GW & EA and their pursuit of WoW's crown, and anyone can see that if they look at how stuff went down. His reluctance to drag people through the mud (who certainly deserved it) shows a character that is rare in the corporate world & rarer still in game development, integrity intact.

I look forward to see what he can doi in CU without those shackles, and I think CU will be a better title to judge him as failure or not.

  Corinthian-X

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3/13/13 10:36:31 PM#15

If you don't believe in the project or developer don't pledge. You're not going to hurt anyone's feelings.

 

For those who keep posting just to bash Mark Jacobs, maybe you need a new hobby? Not sure how the man's video game ruined your life. WAR didn't live up to what it should have been, but since the early years what MMO has? Still crying about it on the internet five years later is a bit obsessive.

  Outis

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3/13/13 10:39:59 PM#16
Originally posted by Skuz
Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

^ This, Mark Jacobs pretty much got his hands tied by GW & EA and their pursuit of WoW's crown, and anyone can see that if they look at how stuff went down. His reluctance to drag people through the mud (who certainly deserved it) shows a character that is rare in the corporate world & rarer still in game development, integrity intact.

I look forward to see what he can doi in CU without those shackles, and I think CU will be a better title to judge him as failure or not.

+1

 

Well said Skuz

  SoMuchMass

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3/13/13 10:45:32 PM#17
Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

Give me a break.

MJ was solely responsible for that WHO fiasco. Blaming EA is like blaming your boss for your screw up. Any "leader" who can't successfully manage his superiors isn't much of a leader at all.

Love the armchair forum devs, that probably can manage EA and their "superiors".

LOL

  Thornz2000

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OP  3/13/13 10:46:18 PM#18
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
Originally posted by Thornz2000

bad taste from Warhammer Online

 Bad taste??

You do know that there is nothing really wrong with WAR except for the instanced battleground implementation (which it don't need), the imbalance of 2 factions war and the fact that it was prematurely released (because of pressure frm EA) rite?

And the fact that it came out at the wrong time - came out during the pinnacle days of WoW, just like AoC, and got beaten to the bloodly pulp by WoW.

WAR was NOT a bad game. Just not a good enough game.

U missed my next post. I did like WHO alot.

I thought it was fun.... was sad to see it die.

The world we know is going away http://www.graystatemovie.com/
Look up Agenda 21 as well.

  Tuktz

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3/13/13 10:46:43 PM#19

Even tho war didn't completely work out, I enjoyed it a lot for 2 or 3 years. What killed it for me was 2 faction instead of 3, and the endless gear grind...

 

i still enjoy it more than world of warcrapt

 

It's target player base is like 10 to 18 year olds now.


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  fiftyplusgeek

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3/13/13 10:46:44 PM#20
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
Originally posted by BowbowDAoC

behind MJ was EA and Games Workshop.

He didnt make the final decisions. Big companies aim for lots of money first, MJ aims at making a good game.

So i think yes it will be very different, and much better than WAR.

Give me a break.

MJ was solely responsible for that WHO fiasco. Blaming EA is like blaming your boss for your screw up. Any "leader" who can't successfully manage his superiors isn't much of a leader at all.

You ever heard of being micromanaged? Yea EA is notorious for that. Just look at EA's past and you won't be so up in arms about it being all MJ's fault. 

So you know this because you are an employee of EA?

No decent leader ever allows himself to be micromanaged. You've obviously never worked in a large corporation. When your budget and resources are on the line, you'll fight for it. You'll never get any respect from your keepers if you don't.

Which is probably MJ's problem. No respect. No credibility.

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