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  Grimmx

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3/13/13 4:34:04 AM#121
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by dynamicipftw
Originally posted by jtcgs

 Yeah now go watch that video on the link I gave above and listen really hard for my laughter at your tears off in the distance. DaoC was a crap zergfest in a game so imbalanced that Hybernia held mass protests...take off the rose colored glasses, they are preventing you from learning how to play games.

I watched some of it. Let's say he is a great player and that was a great play. What did he gain from those kills? Not much. His effort is wasted. The server scores didn't change at all. In DAoC he would earn realm points (personal PvP progression), his kills would have been broadcasted to every ally's and enemy's chat, and his name would be visible to his enemies the whole time (fame). It was much more rewarding to play well.

 Yep, spoken like a DaoC player...no mind at all for actual strategy or knowing the meaning of how to work in a group...when not in a group.

1 player holding up 10 players is 1 player taking 10 people away from helping their side. As the video states, it was made to show how a bunker elementalist is played...it was not made to show you how a god damn team works and as I stated in the above post, 1 BE can hold a large group while your team takes other objectives or delay a group from taking a position long enough for help to arrive.

You have no concept of battle tactics because you are a DaoC player, a war game where the war was in neverland, protected by invisible walls with weak class skills and zerg mentality. This is why my guild steamrolls others, we learned just how deep the classes are in this game, know battle tactics and do things like this which people like you think is stupid or pointless and you never EVER EVER learn why you keep losing.

BTW, PvPing for points or for other people knowing...thats carrot on a stick themepark crap for carebears. PvPers, real PvPers do it because its FUN...not for a reward...im not a dog that needs a scooby snack.

Hmm. Amazing. You have managed to get just about everything wrong in this post.

Did you ever play DAoC before bashing it?

Good players were good players, both in group and solo. DAoC also had FFA servers wich you could have lots of 1 vs 1 fights or even pull of good wins outnumbered.

You come across as a guy that refuses to see whats lacking in GW2 pvp. I personally love pvp, but stopped playing WvWvW because it was no fun.

Your guild steamroll all others because nobody cares. The good pvpers and the good pvp guilds just arent playing GW2 or care to get organized in GW2.

 

  User Deleted
3/13/13 4:44:27 AM#122
Originally posted by Homitu

You don't gauge the difficulty of group content by taking it on solo.  That's not intended gameplay.  You gauge how hard 5 man dungeon content is by seeing how hard it is for a group of 5 to complete it.  

Telling someone to go solo a world event meant for dozens of players in order to artificially manufacture difficulty is absurd.  It's akin people who suggest--and I've actually seen this--that players seeking increased difficulty should take off all their gear and play naked (thereby demolishing the game's intended progression and nullifying many of the fun rewards.)  Just because the solo player or the naked player would inevitably be defeated by the math, it does not make it difficult.  In fact, it almost has nothing to do with difficulty.  That's just cheap and would likely cause more complaints and lack of difficulty ever would.  

 

The only challenge i ever found in this kind of games is actually soloing stuff, everything else is cakewalk. This goes especially for group content because they give so much leeway for mistakes that it all becomes one big yawnfest. Coreographed dance. Yah, some people like that, but challenging...lol

And GW2 still has more challenging content because in those other games gear is 95% and skill is 5%.

  Grimmx

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Joined: 8/30/11
Posts: 216

3/13/13 4:45:02 AM#123
Originally posted by Aerowyn
I'd also be curious to see these players show some footage of them destroying in wvw like in the shatter cat videos or the one posted in this thread.. I have seen some incredibly skilled players pull off some amazing things in wvw and in tournament play in PvP... Can't see how anyone could say skill isn't rewarded in PvP unless all they are looking for is a cookie after they win.. I will say more incentives overall in PvP would be nice and get more people to keep playing it but more incentives doesn't change the skill factor

Agreed as it is in all games. The problem with GW2 and the "pvp" crowd is that it initially doesnt attract pvp'ers.

More dedicated pvp'ers and pvp guilds = better competition.

I myself quit early because i found both the BG's and World pvp shallow and zergy.

 

  User Deleted
3/13/13 4:58:30 AM#124
Originally posted by Grimmx
Originally posted by Aerowyn
I'd also be curious to see these players show some footage of them destroying in wvw like in the shatter cat videos or the one posted in this thread.. I have seen some incredibly skilled players pull off some amazing things in wvw and in tournament play in PvP... Can't see how anyone could say skill isn't rewarded in PvP unless all they are looking for is a cookie after they win.. I will say more incentives overall in PvP would be nice and get more people to keep playing it but more incentives doesn't change the skill factor

Agreed as it is in all games. The problem with GW2 and the "pvp" crowd is that it initially doesnt attract pvp'ers.

More dedicated pvp'ers and pvp guilds = better competition.

I myself quit early because i found both the BG's and World pvp shallow and zergy.

 

Originally posted by Grimmx

Hmm. Amazing. You have managed to get just about everything wrong in this post.

Did you ever play DAoC before bashing it?

Good players were good players, both in group and solo. DAoC also had FFA servers wich you could have lots of 1 vs 1 fights or even pull of good wins outnumbered.

You come across as a guy that refuses to see whats lacking in GW2 pvp. I personally love pvp, but stopped playing WvWvW because it was no fun.

Your guild steamroll all others because nobody cares. The good pvpers and the good pvp guilds just arent playing GW2 or care to get organized in GW2.

 

Not attracting you =/= not attracting PvPers

You are not beginning and end of things. As, FYI, theres crapload of PvPers and dedicated PvP guilds in GW2 and a LOT of competition.

And yah, theres no 1 minute mezzes and stuns and such nonsense. And those arent missed.

  Doogiehowser

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Joined: 3/14/12
Posts: 1954

3/13/13 5:05:55 AM#125
Originally posted by Maephisto

RANDOM THOUGHT OF THE DAY:

Seeing Neverwinter show up as being more popular than GW2 makes me want to punch a baby.

I always knew it would happen one day......but not to neverwinter.....

NOT TO NEVERWINTER .

ok, continue the original conversation.

 

Sigh.... people enjoy something new and more than GW2? well who could have thought. I bet a lot of people have same reaction when they read your posts. 

No wonder GW2 gets so much flak around here. Not because it is a bad game but because of the intolerant and over zealous fan base.

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  Grimmx

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Joined: 8/30/11
Posts: 216

3/13/13 5:19:29 AM#126
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Grimmx
Originally posted by Aerowyn
I'd also be curious to see these players show some footage of them destroying in wvw like in the shatter cat videos or the one posted in this thread.. I have seen some incredibly skilled players pull off some amazing things in wvw and in tournament play in PvP... Can't see how anyone could say skill isn't rewarded in PvP unless all they are looking for is a cookie after they win.. I will say more incentives overall in PvP would be nice and get more people to keep playing it but more incentives doesn't change the skill factor

Agreed as it is in all games. The problem with GW2 and the "pvp" crowd is that it initially doesnt attract pvp'ers.

More dedicated pvp'ers and pvp guilds = better competition.

I myself quit early because i found both the BG's and World pvp shallow and zergy.

 

Originally posted by Grimmx

Hmm. Amazing. You have managed to get just about everything wrong in this post.

Did you ever play DAoC before bashing it?

Good players were good players, both in group and solo. DAoC also had FFA servers wich you could have lots of 1 vs 1 fights or even pull of good wins outnumbered.

You come across as a guy that refuses to see whats lacking in GW2 pvp. I personally love pvp, but stopped playing WvWvW because it was no fun.

Your guild steamroll all others because nobody cares. The good pvpers and the good pvp guilds just arent playing GW2 or care to get organized in GW2.

 

Not attracting you =/= not attracting PvPers

You are not beginning and end of things. As, FYI, theres crapload of PvPers and dedicated PvP guilds in GW2 and a LOT of competition.

And yah, theres no 1 minute mezzes and stuns and such nonsense. And those arent missed.

Im not saying im missed.

Im asking why i initially got turned off by GW2 pvp?  And fact is that MMO's that turn people of from the start will struggle tenfold to get them back.

I tried doing alot of BG runs, but it was mostly DPS out of whack and every time i got a good 1 vs 1 going i got added on, or my team mates added my opponent. It was just to small BG's to do anything creative.

WvWvW was just pointless. It was running around zerging keeps back and forth with no feeling of accomplishment at all. Not Realm, guild or personal accomplishment. The keep you defended would fall as soon as the bigger enemy zerg appeard on the horizon.

Sure you can say im here to bash GW2 as that other guy bashed DAoC because i dont know what im talking about.As he didnt know what he was talking about. But ill tell you that ive played all games that had some sort of FFA pvp and most other mmo's that has som other sorts of PvP. But im not playing this one. So why is that?

  User Deleted
3/13/13 5:52:45 AM#127
Originally posted by Grimmx

Im not saying im missed.

Im asking why i initially got turned off by GW2 pvp?  And fact is that MMO's that turn people of from the start will struggle tenfold to get them back.

I tried doing alot of BG runs, but it was mostly DPS out of whack and every time i got a good 1 vs 1 going i got added on, or my team mates added my opponent. It was just to small BG's to do anything creative.

WvWvW was just pointless. It was running around zerging keeps back and forth with no feeling of accomplishment at all. Not Realm, guild or personal accomplishment. The keep you defended would fall as soon as the bigger enemy zerg appeard on the horizon.

Sure you can say im here to bash GW2 as that other guy bashed DAoC because i dont know what im talking about.As he didnt know what he was talking about. But ill tell you that ive played all games that had some sort of FFA pvp and most other mmo's that has som other sorts of PvP. But im not playing this one. So why is that?

Is it possible that you....just dont like the game.

And its fine saying "I dont like it" but when you expand it to "every PvPer" it kinda sounds a bit egoistic.

And when bigger force arrives in most cases keep falls. Its how its supposed to be. In fact it would be ultra boring if you could bunker yourself in the keep with few people and still win indefinately (which happens, just to remind you, if attacking force is true random zerg).

As anything else in GW2 its designed to be dynamic and fast paced and its great, crapload people enjoy it and theres still crapload guilds/players from DAOC/WAR etc. playing nad enjoying it.

You dont enjoy it, dont play it, plain and simple, but its just you and only you and you dont speak for anyone else.

  Dogblaster

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Posts: 505

3/13/13 6:10:47 AM#128
Originally posted by zastroph

Sooner or later, you will need to go in to dungeons. The reason for this is to get the tokens that you need to get better armor. You need the better armor so that you can play the pvp side of the game. With the dungeons being so pathetically hard, it is like hitting a brick wall at 100 miles an hour. Just not doable. Well at least not with out completely re-learning how to play the game so that you last a little longer. So, if your not a hard core player that is willing to not just learn to play to survive but also wait for 4 other players that have also learnt to survive in the dungeons, then this game becomes nothing more than a 2 week venture that provides some fun but not much else!

 

Dungeons being pathetically hard ? You are kidding here right xD

just lols :)

  User Deleted
3/13/13 6:15:04 AM#129
Originally posted by Dogblaster

Dungeons being pathetically hard ? You are kidding right here right? There is no hard dungeon here, maybe for bad pugs or players who had wrong build and full berserker gear but for normal friend group/guild group or even avarage random group there is no hard dungeon.

I dont know what you guys are used to but there are a lot more harder mmorpgs harder and have a lot higher learning curve than easy GW2 and yet you complain gw2 is hard. Will kids over the next 10 years complain that creating an account is too hard for them, please nerf it !!!

 

just lols :)

What is just lols i this part:

"there are a lot more harder mmorpgs harder and have a lot higher learning curve"

riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Do tell of those "hard" MMOs. need a bit of laugh.

There is only one ive played (and ive pretty much played em all), wel llearning curve at least.

 

  Fuggly

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3/13/13 6:15:32 AM#130
I played it for a week then I could not stand it anymore. I gave my account to my 9 year old son and he is quite happily having a good ol time. Not a complete loss, just way too easy and not very engaging for me as an adult. Probably around the lv of my boy since he is having such a good time, so I cant really knock it since it is holding someones attention at least =)

  Grimmx

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3/13/13 6:16:17 AM#131
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Grimmx

Im not saying im missed.

Im asking why i initially got turned off by GW2 pvp?  And fact is that MMO's that turn people of from the start will struggle tenfold to get them back.

I tried doing alot of BG runs, but it was mostly DPS out of whack and every time i got a good 1 vs 1 going i got added on, or my team mates added my opponent. It was just to small BG's to do anything creative.

WvWvW was just pointless. It was running around zerging keeps back and forth with no feeling of accomplishment at all. Not Realm, guild or personal accomplishment. The keep you defended would fall as soon as the bigger enemy zerg appeard on the horizon.

Sure you can say im here to bash GW2 as that other guy bashed DAoC because i dont know what im talking about.As he didnt know what he was talking about. But ill tell you that ive played all games that had some sort of FFA pvp and most other mmo's that has som other sorts of PvP. But im not playing this one. So why is that?

Is it possible that you....just dont like the game.

And its fine saying "I dont like it" but when you expand it to "every PvPer" it kinda sounds a bit egoistic.

And when bigger force arrives in most cases keep falls. Its how its supposed to be. In fact it would be ultra boring if you could bunker yourself in the keep with few people and still win (which happens, just to remind you, if attacking force is true random zerg).

As anything else in GW2 its designed to be dynamic and fast paced and its great, crapload people enjoy it and theres still crapload guilds/players from DAOC/WAR etc. playing it.

You dont enjoy it, dont play it, plain and simple, but its just you and only you and you dont speak for anyone else.

[mod edit]

Its a fact that most pvp guild i know of dont play GW2. I know a couple large pvp guilds that do play GW2, but they have taken this path in earlier games as well. (playing pvp in themepark games)

And yes i dont like the game, for alot of reason as well. I looked forward to it as most people did, but i was hugly dissapointed.

When it comes to WvWvW keep fighting its all out of whack, if you cant see this then i really cant help you. Some of you people just arent beeing objective about this game. And thats really your problem, luckily.

Yes im sure alot of former people from DAoC and War play WvWvW, but its mosly because the community is starved more than GW2 delivering.

I personally dont play anything right now. Exept single player games. Mostly because im at a total loss at what to play to have fun pvp. I may start up Darkfall when it goes live, but beta isnt fun because of constant server wipes. And that in itself speaks volumes about GW2 pvp. When i would rather do nothing than invest time in it.

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  User Deleted
3/13/13 6:17:25 AM#132
Originally posted by Fuggly
I played it for a week then I could not stand it anymore. I gave my account to my 9 year old son and he is quite happily having a good ol time. Not a complete loss, just way too easy and not very engaging for me as an adult. Probably around the lv of my boy since he is having such a good time, so I cant really knock it since it is holding someones attention at least =)

You just described all MMOs. You finally figured it out. Gratz :)

  Doogiehowser

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3/13/13 6:21:06 AM#133
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Dogblaster

Dungeons being pathetically hard ? You are kidding right here right? There is no hard dungeon here, maybe for bad pugs or players who had wrong build and full berserker gear but for normal friend group/guild group or even avarage random group there is no hard dungeon.

I dont know what you guys are used to but there are a lot more harder mmorpgs harder and have a lot higher learning curve than easy GW2 and yet you complain gw2 is hard. Will kids over the next 10 years complain that creating an account is too hard for them, please nerf it !!!

 

just lols :)

What is just lols i this part:

"there are a lot more harder mmorpgs harder and have a lot higher learning curve"

riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Do tell of those "hard" MMOs. need a bit of laugh.

There is only one ive played (and ive pretty much played em all), wel llearning curve at least.

 

 

Posts like these are a trap just like how you asked for example of 'open world MMO like GW2' and when i gave you one you got all upset. I know giving you any examples won't do any good but as far as learning cuve goes maybe you should try games like EVE, Ryzom, TSW, FFXI etc.

 

 

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  User Deleted
3/13/13 6:25:34 AM#134
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

Posts like these are a trap just like how you asked for example of 'open world MMO like GW2' and when i gave you one you got all upset. I know giving you any examples won't do any good but as far as learning cuve goes maybe you should try games like EVE, Ryzom, TSW, FFXI etc.

No, i didnt asked for "open world MMO". That was your strawman. I guess you finally figured out you were wrong lol. You can apologize for spamming that thread and getting all upset once you figured out you were wrong.

I guess you missed the part "i pretty much played them all".

  Bloodaxes

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3/13/13 6:26:44 AM#135
Nah don't generalize all mmos are like that because even the crappy wizardry online which is what I'm currently playing has a more fun replay value than this if you like specializing your characters for different roles despite it's obvious flaws and glitches.

  User Deleted
3/13/13 6:29:16 AM#136
Originally posted by bloodaxes
Nah don't generalize all mmos are like that because even the crappy wizardry online which is what I'm currently playing has a more fun replay value than this if you like specializing your characters for different roles despite it's obvious flaws and glitches.

Of course.

And GW2 is great for people that dont want simplistic approach of specializing and being stuck in only 1 role or simplistic combat with set in stone roles.

To each their own, some prefer more complexity in their games though.

  Doogiehowser

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3/13/13 6:30:34 AM#137
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

Posts like these are a trap just like how you asked for example of 'open world MMO like GW2' and when i gave you one you got all upset. I know giving you any examples won't do any good but as far as learning cuve goes maybe you should try games like EVE, Ryzom, TSW, FFXI etc.

No, i didnt asked for "open world MMO". That was your strawman. I guess you finally figured out you were wrong lol. You can apologize for spamming that thread.

I guess you missed the part "i pretty much played them all".

I wasn't wrong in anything because Vanguard is a very open ended MMO. I gave you an example, you didn't like it and i decided to bow out of the argument because i know you are kind of poster who somehow is more focused on winning the internet than to bother about actual discussion. I mean you just joined thise wesbite and whatever posts you have are mostly personal attacks. This is the reason why i try to avoid getting in discussion with people like you.

And yes i know you said you played most of them and honestly i am not even surprised by your repsonse..but i thought i will give it a shot anyways. If you say GW2 has more steep learning curve than EVE than who am i to argue? 

 

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  User Deleted
3/13/13 6:37:04 AM#138
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

I wasn't wrong in anything because Vanguard is a very open ended MMO. I gave you an example, you didn't like it and i decided to bow out of the argument because i know you are kind of poster who somehow is more focused on winning the internet than to bother about actual discussion. I mean you just joined thise wesbite and whatever posts you have are mostly personal attacks. This is the reason why i try to avoid getting in discussion with people like you.

And yes i know you said you played most of them and honestly i am not even surprised by your repsonse..but i thought i will give it a shot anyways. If you say GW2 has more steep learning curve than EVE than who am i to argue? 

 

Wow, youre still at it. Let it go man. You were wrong, your post history shows that you want to arue just to argue without any facts.

I mentione one, didnt I? Oh, yah, its "just" a bit of oversight on your part i imagine lol (looks at above statemet)

  Doogiehowser

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3/13/13 6:41:43 AM#139
Originally posted by tintilinic
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

I wasn't wrong in anything because Vanguard is a very open ended MMO. I gave you an example, you didn't like it and i decided to bow out of the argument because i know you are kind of poster who somehow is more focused on winning the internet than to bother about actual discussion. I mean you just joined thise wesbite and whatever posts you have are mostly personal attacks. This is the reason why i try to avoid getting in discussion with people like you.

And yes i know you said you played most of them and honestly i am not even surprised by your repsonse..but i thought i will give it a shot anyways. If you say GW2 has more steep learning curve than EVE than who am i to argue? 

 

Wow, youre still at it. Let it go man. You were wrong, your post history shows that you want to arue just to argue without any facts.

I mentione one, didnt I? Oh, yah, its "just" a bit of oversight on your part i imagine lol (looks at above statemet)

Umm i let it go that is why i decided to stop arguing with you on that topic. If i was not the 'let go type' i would have easily argued with you for another 10 pages. By the way only because you keep saying 'you were wrong' doesn't mean it is true. As far as facts are concerned you somehow confuse your personal opinions with facts. Because i have yet to see any 'facts from your side'.

You asked for examples of MMOS with higher learning curve and i gave you few. I wonder why you even keep asking these questions if you don't want an answer.

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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There... are... four... lights!

3/13/13 6:55:51 AM#140
Originally posted by Scorchien

 I was referencing the original 4 vids you posted you are lvl 26 , 39 40... what you are doing there is not unusual, for Rift a matter fact ive done and seen much more effective AoE  grinding in Rift .. and yes at those lvl you can do the same in GW2 ..

No you can't, and I challenge you to post a video of you, alone, in GW2, grouping up ~30 normal mobs and killing them all at once with AOE without you dieing. Not only grouping the mobs will be difficult if not impossible, but they will kick your butt before you even finished grouping them.

You can AOE, but definitely not as many mobs as you see in those Rift videos. Not even mobs under your level.

and in Rift those are just normal mobs , so making a comparrison to the more difficult mobs in Orr is unrealistic and quite a stretch , try doin that in Rift againt a Expert or Raid  rift and you would be dead.

Most mobs in Orr are normal mobs just like everywhere else. Have you even played the game?

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