Originally posted by steelwind

<< DaOC veteran here yet I have no interest in CU, too little too late.

I also seem to be the only one whom remembers DaOC for more than just RvR, DaOC had great Pve too just those rose colored glasses seems to omit that. So they are releasing CU 15 years after DaOC, missing a significant portion of DaOC yet these "fans" still have faith that it will be a ghost of it's original self? I remember dungeons, ML's, artifacts, ships, housing in addition to RvR.  Less to do = more?

 

No, you're not the only one.  It's just that it would be pointless to keep harping on it.  I've posted something similar myself, and moved on.  No point saying it repeatedly, in a forum for a hypothetical game I'm not even interested in.  DAOC was great though, and yeah, not at all just because of PvP.  RvR without the PvE world it took place in, wouldn't have been RvR at all.

Another game on the horizon seems to have a lot more in common with DaOC's feature set than CU imho. Maybe that is why as a ex-DaOC veteran I have my sights there instead.

Hmmmm I wonder what game that is?!

Originally posted by WellzyC

 

I think people just like to talk about gaming, since..  this is a site dedicated to gaming.

Shoo, shoo... away with you common sense from here!!!

"Another game on the horizon seems to have a lot more in common with DaOC's feature set than CU imho. Maybe that is why as a ex-DaOC veteran I have my sights there instead.

Hmmmm I wonder what game that is?!"

Elder's scrolls online looks kinda promising but... i don't think I will feel there any realm pride because of one world for everyone. Because of that everyone can be everyone. I want to feel the character I play. I don't want to have sword and be a caster. There will be also different combat system. Well completely different combat system. CU is gonna have afaik very similar combat system to daoc. 

Originally posted by steelwind

Another game on the horizon seems to have a lot more in common with DaOC's feature set than CU imho. Maybe that is why as a ex-DaOC veteran I have my sights there instead.

Hmmmm I wonder what game that is?!

Nope, it  doesn't.   It's going after the mass market and therefore will have all the dumbing down and hand-holding that today's mass market players require.

It may have innovative features, but any game going after a big population has to make huge compromises.

CU isn't going to have compromises. It's going to be unashamedly old school and therefore will only appeal to the niche market it's aiming at.

Originally posted by makii

Business decisions follow theyr own rulesets- not what the minority wants. hence you guys and your wishful thinking- but what the majority would consider to spend money on.

I wish you could stop with this nonsense-theorycrafting- its pointless

And theorycrafting about a game wich who knows what will happen in 3 years- is even more pointless.

Did you just find this site? Because that's all it is about: hyping and discussing games that won't be out for a long time.

The theorycrafting is fun to many of us who are looking forward to CU because we don't have a modern MMO that provides us the kind of RvR we want. Is having fun pointless? Well okay then. I'm not sure why you are reading websites about computer games if you are opposed to pointless fun.

Besides Mark Jacobs has mentioned several times that he likes the discussions that are going on about the game here and on other forums and they are helping him craft the design of CU (assuming it funds).

Originally posted by makii

Business decisions follow theyr own rulesets- not what the minority wants. hence you guys and your wishful thinking- but what the majority would consider to spend money on.

I wish you could stop with this nonsense-theorycrafting- its pointless

And theorycrafting about a game wich who knows what will happen in 3 years- is even more pointless.

I did not realize the extent that MMO gamers will go for mental masturbation until seeing this explosion of posts here and on another forum for another game. It's a really fascinating thing to watch, though.

Based on the titles of various threads for this game. I think many here are under the impression that maybe if they talk about a subject, they will somehow put their personal stamp on the developed game.

"See Bob, I asked in a thread about Stealth and posted a few ideas about ho to implement stealth...and then when the game released, some of my ideas were in the game!! Isn't that awesome! Mark Jacobs listened to me and used my ideas!!"

Originally posted by steelwind

Another game on the horizon seems to have a lot more in common with DaOC's feature set than CU imho. Maybe that is why as a ex-DaOC veteran I have my sights there instead.

Hmmmm I wonder what game that is?!

I'm skeptical of that one, for all the familiar reasons, but yeah, fingers crossed :)

Originally posted by DJMantiss

I'm still very skeptical as well. PvE was a VERY large part of DAoC and how anyone can forget that is beyond me. There was a lot of down time when the other realm would just "leave." That is when we did dungeons, BGs, crafting, whatever. To think that any game can survive on this purely RvR model is naive. It hasn't worked with any other game to-date, so why would it work for Camelot Unchained? 

The plan thus far comes off half-baked to me and even the blog-site is inconsistent in terms of communication and how his idas will translate into the game. I invest in things that show consistent and well thought out plans, with the ability to tweak and change as circumstances require. What I won't invest in is a kick-starter that seems soley reliant on RvR and a lot of "wants" with nothing showing the need or how plausible these ideas are.

As much as I hate PvE content, I still believe it is a vital part of an MMO.  It completes a community and world.

PvE content also provides the mindless drones who are drawn to zerging like a moth to flame.  Tearing through large numbers of player characters is so damn satisfying and is a nice respite from serious competition.

I think the source of this prematre excitement is the marketing efforts prior to the kickstarter campaign.

Yet again.. a bunch of idiots that don't actually contribue to the community in any positive way beyond trolling and starting flame wars.  I wish mmorpg would immediately lock these threads or police the douchebags that constantly troll these forums.

Mark has already gone on record he wants to aim for, if my memory serves me correctly, Sept. 2015.

Originally posted by makii

Business decisions follow theyr own rulesets- not what the minority wants. hence you guys and your wishful thinking- but what the majority would consider to spend money on.

I wish you could stop with this nonsense-theorycrafting- its pointless

And theorycrafting about a game wich who knows what will happen in 3 years- is even more pointless.

The 24/7 closed beta for backers will start in 2014.

Personally, I come to this site for general MMO news and have for many years. Lately it seems as though CU is the only acceptable discussion. While we cannot control what others create as topics, it is frustrating to me to have to weed through all these CU posts to get to posts I give a crap about. I wouldn't be so frustrating if the game was releasing soon or if there was more tangable information about it. Nonetheless I come to this site and all I see are OMG I CANT WAIT FOR DAOC2!!!!

At the same time there are titles releasing this year that deserve discussion as well but sometimes you just can't predict the behavior of sheep.

Originally posted by Maephisto

Originally posted by DJMantiss

I'm still very skeptical as well. PvE was a VERY large part of DAoC and how anyone can forget that is beyond me. There was a lot of down time when the other realm would just "leave." That is when we did dungeons, BGs, crafting, whatever. To think that any game can survive on this purely RvR model is naive. It hasn't worked with any other game to-date, so why would it work for Camelot Unchained? 

The plan thus far comes off half-baked to me and even the blog-site is inconsistent in terms of communication and how his idas will translate into the game. I invest in things that show consistent and well thought out plans, with the ability to tweak and change as circumstances require. What I won't invest in is a kick-starter that seems soley reliant on RvR and a lot of "wants" with nothing showing the need or how plausible these ideas are.

As much as I hate PvE content, I still believe it is a vital part of an MMO.  It completes a community and world.

PvE content also provides the mindless drones who are drawn to zerging like a moth to flame.  Tearing through large numbers of player characters is so damn satisfying and is a nice respite from serious competition.

I think the source of this prematre excitement is the marketing efforts prior to the kickstarter campaign.

Exactly, otherwise why are these realms fighting at all? There is no great calamity, no Dragons, evil gods, forces of evil/good/potatoes taking over everything. To me if they remove all or most facets of PvE then why does the RvR matter? Are we fighting over the right to build a house on that greener side of the fence? What is the benefit? What is the benefit to taking this risk?

All of those questions and a thousand more make the game concept appear half-arsed. Which is why I personally consider this vapor-ware until we see a fully realized and fleshed out concept complete with an actual reason for conflict and the incentives/risks associated with it.

Originally posted by steelwind

Personally, I come to this site for general MMO news and have for many years. Lately it seems as though CU is the only acceptable discussion. While we cannot control what others create as topics, it is frustrating to me to have to weed through all these CU posts to get to posts I give a crap about. I wouldn't be so frustrating if the game was releasing soon or if there was more tangable information about it. Nonetheless I come to this site and all I see are OMG I CANT WAIT FOR DAOC2!!!!

At the same time there are titles releasing this year that deserve discussion as well but sometimes you just can't predict the behavior of sheep.

 

WTF? Just go and talk about something else. Nobody is forbiding you to go to another forum and talk there about something else. If you give crap about posts here why do you even read them? You are hilarious.

Originally posted by steelwind

Personally, I come to this site for general MMO news and have for many years. Lately it seems as though CU is the only acceptable discussion. While we cannot control what others create as topics, it is frustrating to me to have to weed through all these CU posts to get to posts I give a crap about.

How is CU the only acceptable discussion? If you want to discuss another game, go to its forum and discuss it. Nobody is stopping you. I constantly ignore posts about games I don't care about when they pop on the front page. Why is that so hard for you and the OP? Don't like CU? Stop coming to its forum! We will all welcome your abscence.