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  BizkitNL

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3/12/13 11:27:31 AM#21
Originally posted by SlickShoes
Originally posted by BillMurphy
Originally posted by Kaerigan
Originally posted by BillMurphy
Originally posted by Caldrin
well thats the highest review i have seen so far LOL..

Polygon gave it a 9.5 :)

They lowered it to a 4 because of EA's disastrous handling of the launch, though.

So they did!

But I can't say I agree with why.  Again, it's likely my MMO sensibilities here, but these are issues with the service side of SimCity, and ones that have largely been erradicated in a week's time.  The GAME itself is a lot of fun, but not without fault.  If people had given WoW a score based on their early server woes, imagine the rating it would have received. I think lowering review scores based on server woes is a wrong step.  Unless the server woes were to continue like this and permanently effect the game.  Mark them down, sure.  As the re-review states, it dropped their score initially from a 9.5 to an 8, but then they dropped it to a 4 when issues continued and worsened... but they weren't going to raise it again when the issues were resolved?  

I think that's a bad show, but that's just me.

It sets a precedent, will they do this for every game? How many times are they going to re-review other games? Have they been this harsh on other games that launched with totally broken multiplayer? Once the servers are turned off do you go back and review it and give it a 0 since no one can connect?

They should review it as it is when the review is completed, then maybe a month later do another review and see if anything has changed.

It would be like me reviewing the game on Friday when it came out, i'd have given it a 2/10 over the weekend I'd have given it a 9/10, this morning my save has corrupted so I am back to feel like it's a 2/10.

Hihihi. That makes incredible sense (really).

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  Ozmodan

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Joined: 2/27/07
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3/12/13 11:45:35 AM#22
Originally posted by BillMurphy

I have to disagree with those who spout hatred towards the game merely for the DRM complaint. That's just bogus, especially coming from MMO players. Everything we play has "DRM", but you won't moan about buying the next big MMO.  If and when it shuts down, then cry foul.  Because that's a real possibility with EA.

But this new Sim City's great fault isn't the always online gameplay, the "DRM", or even the server issues. It's the fact that Maxis and EA didn't do the right thing and brand the game as Sim City Online, because they were afraid to.  If they had, the server woes would still be regrettable, but par for the course for a new MMO launch.  

But don't cry DRM foul just because Sim City hasn't been online only in the past.  It was a cop out of rage for Diablo 3, and it's a cop out here.  It's an online game, period. That's what it's packaged as, and sold as.  It was just not clear enough in marketing or advertising.  And now you can either buy into it like you do so many MMOs, or not.  It's pretty simple.

Now, all that said? I do dislike how small land lots are.  That's the big drawback for me.  And it needs to be remedied with a free patch soon. Otherwise, I'm enjoying the game a lot and agree with Christina's assessment.

Well I have to disagree with you Bill, I live out in the country and my internet is not always something I can count on.  I use single player games if I don't have internet.   I like to think my objections to the game as criticisms, not hate.  Hate seems to be used a lot when people disagree with a game when I highly doubt they actually hate it, just have issues with it.

There are a lot of games out there without what I consider very obstrusive DRM.  I vote with my pocket book and do not buy games with always on DRM.  I know a lot of my friends do the same.   Whether it is an issue for you, it is an issue for others.

Sure I play different MMO's when I have internet, but if a game is not a MMO, I should not have to have internet to play it.

  korvass

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Joined: 5/29/06
Posts: 630

Has successfully forgiven SOE/LA for the NGE.

3/12/13 11:53:24 AM#23

For those wanting to play in peace offline, they are screwed.

So..

Always online DRM. Combined with the €60 price tag for a digital download (or €60 in the shop) puts me off buying any new games anymore.

To be honest, I think it's quite rude of publishers to be charging full price for digital downloads. It's like they bumped priced bit by bit over the last few years as digital download became viable, hoping that by the time they reached full price as physical objects, we would have just failed to notice..

So I vote with my wallet. When a game comes on Steam cheaper, I might buy it. Or, I will pay full price for a physical copy. I'll be damned if I pay full price on a digital copy though.

 

  BeansnBread

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5551

3/12/13 11:59:19 AM#24
Originally posted by BillMurphy

I have to disagree with those who spout hatred towards the game merely for the DRM complaint. That's just bogus, especially coming from MMO players. Everything we play has "DRM", but you won't moan about buying the next big MMO.  If and when it shuts down, then cry foul.  Because that's a real possibility with EA.

But this new Sim City's great fault isn't the always online gameplay, the "DRM", or even the server issues. It's the fact that Maxis and EA didn't do the right thing and brand the game as Sim City Online, because they were afraid to.  If they had, the server woes would still be regrettable, but par for the course for a new MMO launch.  

But don't cry DRM foul just because Sim City hasn't been online only in the past.  It was a cop out of rage for Diablo 3, and it's a cop out here.  It's an online game, period. That's what it's packaged as, and sold as.  It was just not clear enough in marketing or advertising.  And now you can either buy into it like you do so many MMOs, or not.  It's pretty simple.

Now, all that said? I do dislike how small land lots are.  That's the big drawback for me.  And it needs to be remedied with a free patch soon. Otherwise, I'm enjoying the game a lot and agree with Christina's assessment.

The main problem I have with the game is not the DRM (although I think it was stupid and hurt the gameplay experience immensly), it's the tiny size of the cities and the extremely poor and broken simulation aspects of the game. Once I was able to play it for long stretches (some of which were cut short by disconnects that deleted hours of progress), I found that the part that they were saying was the best part of the game was actually a glaring weakness. Here are a few issues that I noticed right away.

 

Everything seems to work on a first come first serve basis. If you follow a sim, they will go home to a different house every night depending on which house is available at the moment.

 

When a schoolbus drops off children, they will bunch up and move house to house until the pile is reduced.

 

Watching buses follow each other around in circle indefinitely.

 

Storage in commercial zoned warehouses is automatically filled and not determined by industrial at all. Basically, you can plop zero industrial down in your city and reap all the benefits of not having any. The people act like they are pissed about it, but it never actually negatively affects your city in any way. Less pollution, less traffic, less crime. The only reason you would want it would be to build the advanced industrial buildings after which point you can just simply delete all industrial.

 

When there are two crimes at once, often times all of the police cars go to one crime at once. So you get 22 police cars going to 1 crime while the other crime does not get handled for some time. 

 

I'm sure there are so many more. It's just a poorly designed and implemented game. It has dropped considerably in the professional reviews not just for it's lack of DRM (which you seem to think is the main issue), but also because of how awful their implementation of the overall game is at the moment.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  SlickShoes

Novice Member

Joined: 3/01/06
Posts: 1040

3/13/13 5:20:27 AM#25
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Originally posted by BillMurphy

I have to disagree with those who spout hatred towards the game merely for the DRM complaint. That's just bogus, especially coming from MMO players. Everything we play has "DRM", but you won't moan about buying the next big MMO.  If and when it shuts down, then cry foul.  Because that's a real possibility with EA.

But this new Sim City's great fault isn't the always online gameplay, the "DRM", or even the server issues. It's the fact that Maxis and EA didn't do the right thing and brand the game as Sim City Online, because they were afraid to.  If they had, the server woes would still be regrettable, but par for the course for a new MMO launch.  

But don't cry DRM foul just because Sim City hasn't been online only in the past.  It was a cop out of rage for Diablo 3, and it's a cop out here.  It's an online game, period. That's what it's packaged as, and sold as.  It was just not clear enough in marketing or advertising.  And now you can either buy into it like you do so many MMOs, or not.  It's pretty simple.

Now, all that said? I do dislike how small land lots are.  That's the big drawback for me.  And it needs to be remedied with a free patch soon. Otherwise, I'm enjoying the game a lot and agree with Christina's assessment.

Well I have to disagree with you Bill, I live out in the country and my internet is not always something I can count on.  I use single player games if I don't have internet.   I like to think my objections to the game as criticisms, not hate.  Hate seems to be used a lot when people disagree with a game when I highly doubt they actually hate it, just have issues with it.

There are a lot of games out there without what I consider very obstrusive DRM.  I vote with my pocket book and do not buy games with always on DRM.  I know a lot of my friends do the same.   Whether it is an issue for you, it is an issue for others.

Sure I play different MMO's when I have internet, but if a game is not a MMO, I should not have to have internet to play it.

Then Sim City 5 is not for you, it says in the requirements that it requires and always on connection, you live in the country and do not meet these requirements so should not buy the game. Sim City 5 was built as a multiplayer game, it is not the Sim City single player experience you remember.

  Novusod

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Joined: 5/30/09
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3/13/13 5:04:52 PM#26
Originally posted by severius

The Escapist : Video Galleries : Jimquisition : SimSh!tty

SimCity Is Inherently Broken, Let’s Not Let This Go | Rock, Paper, Shotgun

"These aren’t teething problems. These are continuous deep-running flaws designed to cripple the game for you as a player, simply to serve some nebulous notion of protecting the game against piracy."
 
 

Now those are some proper reviews. Hell hath no fury like an angry videogame nerd during unexpected downtime.

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