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  SBFord

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OP  3/11/13 3:25:27 PM#1

Our friends at RTSGuru.com have been playing (when possible) Sim City for the last several days and have a review to offer up. See how Sim City fared over at RTSGuru.com.

SimCity is ambitious and it mostly succeeds. There are some glaring issues that extend beyond the server woes, but giving EA and Maxis a chance to resolve them is up to you, the player. There’s an advantage to waiting until all the server issues have been hammered out, but if you have a group of reliable friends to  play with, then you’ve got the tools you’ll need. However, if you’re nostalgic for the single player gameplay of old, it’s changed by degrees. The game is still immersive, and one you will lose hours (and sleep into). Yet the problems bring it down a couple of notches right now.

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  Dreamo84

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3/11/13 4:41:30 PM#2
Why anyone thinks its worth EAs time to "buy" reviews from ultimately small websites like MMORPG and RTSGURU is beyond me.

  Novusod

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3/11/13 5:12:54 PM#3

For all the new jazz SimCity has not really advanced beyond what it was in SimCity2000.

 

Compared to the huge advances in other strategy series such Civilization V or Total War Rome it makes SimCity 4 look like it is more than a decade behind in game design.

Was really hoping to be able to play "TheSims" on a massive scale. Also starting the game in 1900 is boring. Let players start in 2000BC or something.

 

SimCity 4 feels like it should be a $4 app for my smart phone not a $40 PC game.

  wrekognize

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3/11/13 5:16:13 PM#4
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Why anyone thinks its worth EAs time to "buy" reviews from ultimately small websites like MMORPG and RTSGURU is beyond me.

 

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  Ozmodan

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3/11/13 6:13:22 PM#5

It has always on DRM, means you cannot even play single player mode if the servers are down and of course the servers have been down a lot.  So if you want to throw money away go ahead and invest in this game.  

How the review can gloss over such a huge negative is beyond me, pretty much shouts a terrible review if you ask me.  Does not really matter if it is any good or not, the way they implemented it.

 

  Jojin

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3/11/13 6:34:22 PM#6

Always on isn't just about DRM, it is also a game design choice.  They are trying to make it so there all players interact with each other on some scale.  If you actually play it, it become obvious and actually makes the game more enjoyable.  It adds to gameplay by adding a human element to things.

Now this doesn't mean there aren't a lot of other issues, however the idea the only reason for it being an online game is just because of DRM isn't correct.

  BillMurphy

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3/11/13 6:46:35 PM#7

I have to disagree with those who spout hatred towards the game merely for the DRM complaint. That's just bogus, especially coming from MMO players. Everything we play has "DRM", but you won't moan about buying the next big MMO.  If and when it shuts down, then cry foul.  Because that's a real possibility with EA.

But this new Sim City's great fault isn't the always online gameplay, the "DRM", or even the server issues. It's the fact that Maxis and EA didn't do the right thing and brand the game as Sim City Online, because they were afraid to.  If they had, the server woes would still be regrettable, but par for the course for a new MMO launch.  

But don't cry DRM foul just because Sim City hasn't been online only in the past.  It was a cop out of rage for Diablo 3, and it's a cop out here.  It's an online game, period. That's what it's packaged as, and sold as.  It was just not clear enough in marketing or advertising.  And now you can either buy into it like you do so many MMOs, or not.  It's pretty simple.

Now, all that said? I do dislike how small land lots are.  That's the big drawback for me.  And it needs to be remedied with a free patch soon. Otherwise, I'm enjoying the game a lot and agree with Christina's assessment.

  Lowfer69

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3/11/13 7:50:15 PM#8

   Good on ya Bill. Way to put the hammer down. Don't see enough of that around here. Ya always online and DRM being a complaint is in the past. Most people are always online anyhow. I know I spend most of my day online and my connection hardly ever goes down anymore. Internet at least in the states is so stable there really isn't a complaint anymore. Now if the servers go down because EA closes shop because it's not making the money they want then yes there is reason for complaining.

 

 
  Jojin

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3/11/13 10:54:10 PM#9
In regards to the smaller plots, while they seem like the limit your play the ability to be mayor to more than one plot can compensate.  It seems to put more focus on city interdependence versus being totally self-sufficient, which is still quite possible.
  Burntvet

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3/11/13 10:57:29 PM#10
Originally posted by Ozmodan

It has always on DRM, means you cannot even play single player mode if the servers are down and of course the servers have been down a lot.  So if you want to throw money away go ahead and invest in this game.  

How the review can gloss over such a huge negative is beyond me, pretty much shouts a terrible review if you ask me.  Does not really matter if it is any good or not, the way they implemented it.

 

 

^^^ I agree and QFT. I wonder why that is not mentioned, hmmm?
  Scorp2778

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3/11/13 11:12:58 PM#11
Originally posted by BillMurphy

Now, all that said? I do dislike how small land lots are.  That's the big drawback for me.  And it needs to be remedied with a free patch soon. Otherwise, I'm enjoying the game a lot and agree with Christina's assessment.

I agree with you here Bill. I have been able to play the game quite a bit and my only major complaint is the size of the land for cities. I dont like that it gives you a set square to work with either. I would like it better if the playable area followed the contour of the land more even if it is small.

Two lesser complaints I have are with how service vehicles operate and how regions update. The algorithms for the service vehicles need improved. You will notice that they do a very bad  job collecting if you watch the trash/recycling vehicles make their rounds in a large city. The lag in region updates is pretty awful too. These two problems should be fixed soon I hope.

Overall I am really enjoying the game apart from the connection problems and what I said above. I hope the launch problems don't tarnish the game too bad.

  crazynanny

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3/12/13 4:19:49 AM#12
Originally posted by BillMurphy

I have to disagree with those who spout hatred towards the game merely for the DRM complaint. That's just bogus, especially coming from MMO players. Everything we play has "DRM", but you won't moan about buying the next big MMO.  

If Sim City was indeed online game from design people might be okay with always online part. But it's a single player game with few social features that could easily be tossed into multiplayer mode instead annoying people with broken servers. Whole "feature" of forcing people to make multiple cites and freezing them in time if you play alone is feels really artificial and tailored towards DRM.

DRM was tossed so guys in suits can present 90% less piracy and 99% less used copies sold. Who cares about customers, just pour money on advertisment and they'll buy it anyways. Sadly works so far...

  Caldrin

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3/12/13 4:27:54 AM#13
well thats the highest review i have seen so far LOL..

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  BillMurphy

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3/12/13 6:15:19 AM#14
Originally posted by Caldrin
well thats the highest review i have seen so far LOL..

Polygon gave it a 9.5 :)

  Kaerigan

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3/12/13 6:20:29 AM#15
Originally posted by BillMurphy
Originally posted by Caldrin
well thats the highest review i have seen so far LOL..

Polygon gave it a 9.5 :)

They lowered it to a 4 because of EA's disastrous handling of the launch, though.

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  BillMurphy

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3/12/13 9:26:04 AM#16
Originally posted by Kaerigan
Originally posted by BillMurphy
Originally posted by Caldrin
well thats the highest review i have seen so far LOL..

Polygon gave it a 9.5 :)

They lowered it to a 4 because of EA's disastrous handling of the launch, though.

So they did!

But I can't say I agree with why.  Again, it's likely my MMO sensibilities here, but these are issues with the service side of SimCity, and ones that have largely been erradicated in a week's time.  The GAME itself is a lot of fun, but not without fault.  If people had given WoW a score based on their early server woes, imagine the rating it would have received. I think lowering review scores based on server woes is a wrong step.  Unless the server woes were to continue like this and permanently effect the game.  Mark them down, sure.  As the re-review states, it dropped their score initially from a 9.5 to an 8, but then they dropped it to a 4 when issues continued and worsened... but they weren't going to raise it again when the issues were resolved?  

I think that's a bad show, but that's just me.

  SlickShoes

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3/12/13 9:31:00 AM#17
Originally posted by BillMurphy
Originally posted by Kaerigan
Originally posted by BillMurphy
Originally posted by Caldrin
well thats the highest review i have seen so far LOL..

Polygon gave it a 9.5 :)

They lowered it to a 4 because of EA's disastrous handling of the launch, though.

So they did!

But I can't say I agree with why.  Again, it's likely my MMO sensibilities here, but these are issues with the service side of SimCity, and ones that have largely been erradicated in a week's time.  The GAME itself is a lot of fun, but not without fault.  If people had given WoW a score based on their early server woes, imagine the rating it would have received. I think lowering review scores based on server woes is a wrong step.  Unless the server woes were to continue like this and permanently effect the game.  Mark them down, sure.  As the re-review states, it dropped their score initially from a 9.5 to an 8, but then they dropped it to a 4 when issues continued and worsened... but they weren't going to raise it again when the issues were resolved?  

I think that's a bad show, but that's just me.

It sets a precedent, will they do this for every game? How many times are they going to re-review other games? Have they been this harsh on other games that launched with totally broken multiplayer? Once the servers are turned off do you go back and review it and give it a 0 since no one can connect?

They should review it as it is when the review is completed, then maybe a month later do another review and see if anything has changed.

It would be like me reviewing the game on Friday when it came out, i'd have given it a 2/10 over the weekend I'd have given it a 9/10, this morning my save has corrupted so I am back to feel like it's a 2/10.

  BitterClinger

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3/12/13 9:46:02 AM#18

A good review. It is extremely fun, but the limited city size does start to feel constricting.  Also, a fair mention of the bugs.

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  severius

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3/12/13 11:15:15 AM#19

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3/12/13 11:21:21 AM#20
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Why anyone thinks its worth EAs time to "buy" reviews from ultimately small websites like MMORPG and RTSGURU is beyond me.

And to top it off Sim City is not a MMO. Desprate action on EA part.

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