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  Dogblaster

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3/11/13 7:15:14 AM#61
Originally posted by Diemos
I think your main problem is you expect to substitute life with your gaming. I've been playing since head start and I'm coming up on 900 hours now. This game launched with the most content than any themepark and are still pumping out large monthly updates. There is not a game that will satisfy your over indulgence of gaming. Just like the kid labeled as a top SPvP player on GW2gurus State of the Game video mentioning he plays 8-10 hours a day. Seriously, get off the PC for a while. Btw, playing for 1550 hours, just to grind your ass off for legendaries just to "beat" the Game and say you did it doesn't give you worlds greatest player award, it just shows how much time you wasted on a game you arr way to hardcore to play just to brag on the internet...

Besides I can be hardcore and highly skilled to and Google image search.

 

Dont get me wrong, gw2 is awesome mmorpg but not for hc players who seeks grind/farm maxxing out character, etc. :)

And I sold the acc for decent amount of money so I dont regret it that much :)

Really? :) I have 668 screenshot of this account in my GW2 screen folder, if you want any, just let me know :)

  Loke666

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3/11/13 7:35:22 AM#62

Yeah, the open world PvE is far too easy. It was just right in the first beta week (as was the personal story) but people whined and they made it too easy. I never seen a dragon event fail since and that tells me that it is too easy.

Dungeons are about right though.

Culling is annoying but I have little problems with it unless I play the most busy hours of the day. But my net and my computer is fast so it might lessen the problem for me.

It is still the best MMO around today, but I really want then to crank up the difficulty to get it closer to GW1. I miss Jeff Strain, he knew how to make things hard.

  Volkon

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3/11/13 7:46:45 AM#63
Originally posted by pointchiz

 

I play double dagger elementalist, 2000 power, 35% crit, 60% crit damage, 19k hp, 2500 armor.

Every other class and weapon setup bore me to tears. There aren't enough skilled players playing to make a group of fractals 40 anymore. Besides after doing fractals 600 times I got fed up.

Heh, have to jump in here now. I have an ele (level 77, getting there!) that runs double dagger/ dagger-focus/ staff in WvW and it's a blast. I've found that attunement dancing really makes a big difference when you consider all the buffs you apply to allies around you in doing so. 

 

But, mesmer is my favorite still. So amazingly versitile and nuanced. 

Oderint, dum metuant.

  Vyllyn

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3/11/13 7:55:11 AM#64
u want a challenge in PVP and PVE get your guild and go play age of conan. has really challenging endgame and the skill cap for pvp has the highest ceiling out of anygame on the market right now.
  Volkon

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3/11/13 7:59:50 AM#65
Originally posted by Vyllyn
u want a challenge in PVP and PVE get your guild and go play age of conan. has really challenging endgame and the skill cap for pvp has the highest ceiling out of anygame on the market right now.

 

Tier 1 WvW. All the challenge and PvP you can eat. Never played Conan, can't compare, but T1 WvW is nuts right now.

Oderint, dum metuant.

  Loke666

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3/11/13 8:01:57 AM#66
Originally posted by Kaleston
Originally posted by mikahr
Yup, you got it right: GW2 is about having FUN and not WORK.

Its absurd really. i mean "people used to pay 60+15/month to work. And now they can have fun....for free. OMG! how could they do this? This game suxxorz...its about.....fun! FUN! WHere is this world going now that people play MMOs for FUN! The genre is RUINED."

OTOH, I always said id welcome them to work for me. Ill even make em WORK HARDER! :) And ill even raise the sub the harder i make them work lol

So you don't like preaching, huh? And you don't hate them, huh?

You know what I don't like? Attacking without a reason. And if someone says he doesn't like gw2 because it's too casual and is looking for mmo where he can work his ass off to reach the top (please don't take it literaly), that's no reason to attack. I'd tell him good luck in finding such a game and I'm sorry for you don't have the same amount of fun with gw2 as I do.

You are both making the misstake of confusing easy and casual. GW1 is casual but still hard.

GW2 unfortunatly listened to whiners and made the game too easy after the first beta weekend, and they should increase the difficulty again (PvE).

They should not add more grind, those laurels are bad enough. More difficulty less grind like the first game is the right way to go. And yeah if you suck that means more time to get good stuff but if you play well you can get a lot in a short time.

  RizelStar

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3/11/13 8:13:08 AM#67

Nonononononononononono

 

I want everybody to get a good clear look at this thread, then read each got damn post, each, that's what I do majority of the time and it's how and why I see true intentions.

 

Then we get asked...

Why?

I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

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P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  Doogiehowser

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3/11/13 8:16:15 AM#68
By the way OP i am still waiting for you to give me an example i asked you for on the very first page. I like to make compairsons and give references as it helps to make one's point of view a bit more clear and closer to truth.

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  Yamota

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3/11/13 8:38:47 AM#69

When, in the last 5-6 years, was an MMO released which was not casual? Only one's I can think of are indy, sandbox, PvP games like Mortal Online and Darkfall.

MMO's are mainstream now and triple A developers are in it only for the money so to be able to do that they need to cater to as many people as possible, which means catering to the lowest denominator. Hence the never-ending stream of casual MMOs...

  Amjoco

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3/11/13 8:49:04 AM#70
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
By the way OP i am still waiting for you to give me an example i asked you for on the very first page. I like to make compairsons and give references as it helps to make one's point of view a bit more clear and closer to truth.

He will never comment again. He has "69"  posts and that for some is all that needs to be said. o.O

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  User Deleted
3/11/13 9:42:15 AM#71
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Kaleston
Originally posted by mikahr
Yup, you got it right: GW2 is about having FUN and not WORK.

Its absurd really. i mean "people used to pay 60+15/month to work. And now they can have fun....for free. OMG! how could they do this? This game suxxorz...its about.....fun! FUN! WHere is this world going now that people play MMOs for FUN! The genre is RUINED."

OTOH, I always said id welcome them to work for me. Ill even make em WORK HARDER! :) And ill even raise the sub the harder i make them work lol

So you don't like preaching, huh? And you don't hate them, huh?

You know what I don't like? Attacking without a reason. And if someone says he doesn't like gw2 because it's too casual and is looking for mmo where he can work his ass off to reach the top (please don't take it literaly), that's no reason to attack. I'd tell him good luck in finding such a game and I'm sorry for you don't have the same amount of fun with gw2 as I do.

You are both making the misstake of confusing easy and casual. GW1 is casual but still hard.

GW2 unfortunatly listened to whiners and made the game too easy after the first beta weekend, and they should increase the difficulty again (PvE).

They should not add more grind, those laurels are bad enough. More difficulty less grind like the first game is the right way to go. And yeah if you suck that means more time to get good stuff but if you play well you can get a lot in a short time.

Oh, nope.

Never ever think hardcore = hard

Casual = easy

Same as NEVER think

solo = easy

group = hard

same as:

long=hard

short=easy

Its the fabrication of some of the "old scholers"

Because lets face it once and for all:

There was and is NO hard PvE in MMOs, its all scripted coreographed performance that in the past mostly relied on gear.

Something taking ages =/= HARD

Something that requires a group =/= HARD, in fact soloing it is MUCH harder, try and confirm it yourself if you somehow dont believe it

  Aerowyn

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3/11/13 12:12:18 PM#72
Originally posted by pointchiz
Originally posted by KaiserPhoenix

another self-entitled pro who couldn't reach top level in wow-arena or pve, thought he was no hamster in a wheel but it turns out he needs the wheel after all.

 

this is new and exciting

 

I don't need a hamster wheel. I'm not talking about gear or grinds. It's about difficulty. The content is brain dead. You could train a monkey to play GW2.

 

 

unless I'm mindlessly following a zerg there's plenty of challenging content to satisfy this monkey ooo ooo aaa aaaa

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  User Deleted
3/11/13 12:16:48 PM#73

It's been a disappointment for me as well.  I stopped playing WoW specifically  because they had oversimplified the game too much, only to find out GW2 is even worse.

  User Deleted
3/11/13 12:23:00 PM#74
Aren't people confusing (overly?) streamlined with "easy"?
  Volkon

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3/11/13 12:31:32 PM#75
Originally posted by NBlitz
Aren't people confusing (overly?) streamlined with "easy"?

Pretty much. The game is intended to be easy to learn but difficult to master. I'll bet the "too easy" crowd did nothing more than spam their weapon skills in low level PvE and never bothered to learn the secondary or tertiary effects many of the skills have or when to best use them. I can see them using mesmer great sword 5 while the enemy is out of range and thinking it sucks, or using GS2 around a solo foe and thinking all it does is damage.

Oderint, dum metuant.

  JoeyMMO

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To busy playing GW2 to post much around here... *shrug*

3/11/13 1:24:49 PM#76
Originally posted by badgerAlum
Originally posted by Dogblaster
Originally posted by pointchiz

*snip*

 I was wondering if any people were like me; frustrated by how easy the PVE is and how bad the PVP feels?

Agreed.

I already sold my account with 1550 hours played and 2 legendaries crafted after I realised all this and I am glad I did :) When I announced my guild that I am leaving the game they understood me very well, gw2 is not about progression, grind, etc.. Its just about a simple ''fun''. GW2 is the game for casuals .. thats not mmoprg i am looking for :/ 

I can understand your opinion.  Mine happens to be the exact opposite - after years of gaming and now having a family, the ONLY thing I look for in a game is "fun".  I get paid to do a job, when I get home I'm done with work.

Same here, I don't need a second job, I don't want a second job, I have a real life that keeps me plenty busy enough. GW2 being casual friendly is the only reason I'm still playing it.

  Volkon

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3/11/13 2:39:32 PM#77
Originally posted by pointchiz
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by pointchiz
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by pointchiz
you can auto attack any NPC to death; even those world event dragon bosses.
 

^ Didn't fight Claw of Jormag, apparently.

 

You can if you stand in the right spot on the ledge. If you want to make it a little more challenging you can stand in the middle where the ice spikes come up. If one comes up near you; just strafe away and keep auto attacking.

So you depend on everyone else not auto attacking while you do no damage.  I think the problem lies with you, not the game.  Who'd even want you in a group?  You sound lazy.

By the way, the damage done in the ice spike phase is done by the exploding golems, not player attacks.  When they're not exploding, the dragon stays at the same health.  Like I said, you didn't do the fight.

 

I can do jormag with my eyes closed with both hands tied behind my back while someone is beating me over the head with a tennis racket. If you seriously find this fight challenging then we are leagues apart my friend.

I'm going to have to see proof of this before I believe it. Something posted to YouTube would be lovely. Include sound.

Oderint, dum metuant.

  dynamicipftw

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3/11/13 2:49:47 PM#78

@OP I agree. GW2 is made exclusively for casual players. At no point in the game is skill and teamwork rewarded (not in PvE, not in PvP/WvW).  

If you like the game and consider yourself not a casual player: You're wrong.

  Dogblaster

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3/11/13 3:06:10 PM#79
Originally posted by mikahrOh, nope.

Never ever think hardcore = hard

Casual = easy

Same as NEVER think

solo = easy

group = hard

same as:

long=hard

short=easy

Its the fabrication of some of the "old scholers"

Because lets face it once and for all:

There was and is NO hard PvE in MMOs, its all scripted coreographed performance that in the past mostly relied on gear.

Something taking ages =/= HARD

Something that requires a group =/= HARD, in fact soloing it is MUCH harder, try and confirm it yourself if you somehow dont believe it

But for me long grind/farm = hard... thats why I play mmorpgs. To have goals to work for .. for months, years. What other reasons I would have to play ONE game for several hours each day for years? Than working toward something? If there wasnt anything hard, time consuming, grindy and worthy progressing toward .. I would rather play every week new and new single player game .. BUT thats me and my preferences.

 

You want hard = skill based mmorpg / pve? Good for you, plenty of mmorpgs like this there :)

I want hard = time consuming / grind/farm / skill based mmorpg .. Aion / Lineage / eq / Final fantasy etc. mmorpg :)

 

Eveyone have different taste  .. you know

  Aerowyn

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3/11/13 3:07:42 PM#80
Originally posted by dynamicipftw

@OP I agree. GW2 is made exclusively for casual players. At no point in the game is skill and teamwork rewarded (not in PvE, not in PvP/WvW).  

If you like the game and consider yourself not a casual player: You're wrong.

wow such rash generalizations.. but as usual no facts, video, or anything to back up the claims... i gave him a challenge that is easily acomplished in many other i would consider "easier" MMOs in standard PVE i'm sure he could not do in gw2.. 

also it all depends what you mean by "rewarded".. if winning in WvW is rewarding to someone then hell yes teamwork and skill is rewarded. If all you want is a pretty shiny to make your stats go up another 10 points then no no its not rewarded in that way(unless of course you are doing WvW to level then you are rewarded by leveling) but to say there is no reward "period"  for cooperation and teamwork in this game is a lie.

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

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