Originally posted by pointchiz

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by pointchiz

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by pointchiz

Originally posted by Aerowyn

op you playing warrior or guard by any chance? i found them very easy mode compared to the other classes.. mesmer is much more fun overall and thief/ele is a good challenge as well.. but yea what MMO pve is hard? honestly gw2 has most difficult pve for a standard MMO out of all the recent themeparks.. hell in rift i just ran around rounded up 30 enemies and mowed them down rinse and repeat. Been one shot in gw2 countless times can't even count anymore.. we were fighting fast-fuse felix the guild bounty guy. Only 4 of us on him he would throw out bombs which you could dodge but would still get hit by the bleeds which would kill you in 3 ticks unless you had condition removal.. pretty damn hard fight for 4 of us.. i'd also be curious to see some video of you facerolling 40+ fractals if you got time

here's my 50 rogue back when i played Rift fighting in stillmoor taking on the mathos packs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF0GR88RTm0 i could chain this and just go from pack to pack never stopping

i'd love to see someone run around orr solo round up at least one veteran and a group of regular level 80s and drop them without a scratch on you.. 

 

I play double dagger elementalist, 2000 power, 35% crit, 60% crit damage, 19k hp, 2500 armor.

Every other class and weapon setup bore me to tears. There aren't enough skilled players playing to make a group of fractals 40 anymore. Besides after doing fractals 600 times I got fed up.

wow 600 times you must have upwards of 2k hours into this game i'd say its take to give it a good rest for awhile.. these types of games aren't meant to be life replacements

1 fractal dungeon including Jade Maw counts as 4. With a solid group we completed an entire fractal in under 20 minutes.

so what themepark MMO does the most elite of the elite find challenging then?

 

None unfortunately.

Funny you mention themepark. I do keep a lookout for sandbox MMOs marketed to a mature hardcore audience. Hopefully we'll get a studio that doesn't want to target everyone and thier dog with a T rating.

figured as much.. but try out what i said above.. go to orr and round up a group of 20+ mobs and see how well you fair.. hell throw in a champion while you at it since you find everything so mind numbingly easy... compared to most other themepark MMOs gw2 pve is hardly a cake walk. 

Originally posted by Doogiehowser

GW2 is not all casual unless ofcourse you don't do dungeons (and no they are nowhere near easy) or meta events. But then again name me one themepark MMO where you can not play casualy and solo all the way to level cap by selective gameplay.

One example? i will be waiting.

Originally posted by tintilinic

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Other than life can someon please answer the first poster.

As for tintthat's pretty critical but the first one we won't see I'm sure even with 4 taking on a dungeon or 3 it would be hard.

LMFAO!!!

Originally posted by pointchiz

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by pointchiz

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by pointchiz

you can auto attack any NPC to death; even those world event dragon bosses.
 

^ Didn't fight Claw of Jormag, apparently.

 

You can if you stand in the right spot on the ledge. If you want to make it a little more challenging you can stand in the middle where the ice spikes come up. If one comes up near you; just strafe away and keep auto attacking.

So you depend on everyone else not auto attacking while you do no damage.  I think the problem lies with you, not the game.  Who'd even want you in a group?  You sound lazy.

By the way, the damage done in the ice spike phase is done by the exploding golems, not player attacks.  When they're not exploding, the dragon stays at the same health.  Like I said, you didn't do the fight.

 

I can do jormag with my eyes closed with both hands tied behind my back while someone is beating me over the head with a tennis racket. If you seriously find this fight challenging then we are leagues apart my friend.

Actually, the way you described it, you're not doing anything.  Everyone else is.  Read the part in red again.  The end.

There is one game that has absolutely brutal PvE - wizardry online, now don't get me wrong the game is terrible, but it is brutal as far as pve goes.

Original eq back in 99 had challenging PvE. Heck there's still content in EQ today that is hard.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by pointchiz

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by pointchiz

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by pointchiz

Originally posted by Aerowyn

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wow 600 times you must have upwards of 2k hours into this game i'd say its take to give it a good rest for awhile.. these types of games aren't meant to be life replacements

1 fractal dungeon including Jade Maw counts as 4. With a solid group we completed an entire fractal in under 20 minutes.

so what themepark MMO does the most elite of the elite find challenging then?

None unfortunately.

Funny you mention themepark. I do keep a lookout for sandbox MMOs marketed to a mature hardcore audience. Hopefully we'll get a studio that doesn't want to target everyone and thier dog with a T rating.

figured as much.. but try out what i said above.. go to orr and round up a group of 20+ mobs and see how well you fair.. hell throw in a champion while you at it since you find everything so mind numbingly easy... compared to most other themepark MMOs gw2 pve is hardly a cake walk. 

You're fighting a losing battle.  Players have come into every MMO in the history of the world's forums to belittle the game's content, calling it any variety of "dumbed down," "boring," "simplistic," "carebear," or "casual."  The hope is that doing so thereby elevates the poster to some superior status above all the lowly drones who indulge in the game he just criticized.  There's no quick point you can make that's going to make him stop believing he's a god amongst men.  

Many better examples of difficult pve content in games more difficult than GW2 have been put forth, and they've just as easily been met with empty answers like "lol, right.  Pressing 1-4 repeatedly is hard," which of course completely fail to accurately represent how combat is actually played in the respective game.  You can't expect to actually make him reconsider, especially using GW2 as the counter example, which admittedly lacks a tier of difficulty that players find themselve fighting ferociously to progress through.  

Originally posted by rodingo

Originally posted by pointchiz

 I was wondering if any people were like me; frustrated by how easy the PVE is and how bad the PVP feels?

 

Please name an MMO that has difficult PVE.

Everquest

Originally posted by Purutzil

Dungeons aren't easy, they are a sheer mess since they didn't want to use the trinity system

Dungeons are only a mess if you don't know how to play as a team.

GW2 just highlights how many people relied on healers and tanks as a crutch.

If you use combo fields, assist each other and time CC well, the dungeons run as smooth as butter. Hoping they put in some challenge mode dungeons soon though.

Originally posted by Homitu

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by pointchiz

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by pointchiz

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by pointchiz

Originally posted by Aerowyn

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wow 600 times you must have upwards of 2k hours into this game i'd say its take to give it a good rest for awhile.. these types of games aren't meant to be life replacements

1 fractal dungeon including Jade Maw counts as 4. With a solid group we completed an entire fractal in under 20 minutes.

so what themepark MMO does the most elite of the elite find challenging then?

None unfortunately.

Funny you mention themepark. I do keep a lookout for sandbox MMOs marketed to a mature hardcore audience. Hopefully we'll get a studio that doesn't want to target everyone and thier dog with a T rating.

figured as much.. but try out what i said above.. go to orr and round up a group of 20+ mobs and see how well you fair.. hell throw in a champion while you at it since you find everything so mind numbingly easy... compared to most other themepark MMOs gw2 pve is hardly a cake walk. 

You're fighting a losing battle.  Players have come into every MMO in the history of the world's forums to belittle the game's content, calling it any variety of "dumbed down," "boring," "simplistic," "carebear," or "casual."  The hope is that doing so thereby elevates the poster to some superior status above all the lowly drones who indulge in the game he just criticized.  There's no quick point you can make that's going to make him stop believing he's a god amongst men.  

Many better examples of difficult pve content in games more difficult than GW2 have been put forth, and they've just as easily been met with empty answers like "lol, right.  Pressing 1-4 repeatedly is hard," which of course completely fail to accurately represent how combat is actually played in the respective game.  You can't expect to actually make him reconsider, especially using GW2 as the counter example, which admittedly lacks a tier of difficulty that players find themselve fighting ferociously to progress through.  

i get that.. my point is perspective.. when you compare gw2 pve content against many other MMOs it is actually a bit more difficult overall.. enemies hit harder, have more hp, use more forms of cc, numerous champions will one shot with any attack, one shot traps.. ect ect sure its not like dark souls challenging but compared to other games it does offer a good bit of challenge for this genre.. my example I showed above with Rift i could AOE level with several characters just pulling as many mobs as I could see and blow them up with hardly a scratch on me... gw2 this would not be possible especially in the higher zones(in which my example in Rift was the highest level zone at the time)

Originally posted by Homitu

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by pointchiz

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by pointchiz

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by pointchiz

Originally posted by Aerowyn

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wow 600 times you must have upwards of 2k hours into this game i'd say its take to give it a good rest for awhile.. these types of games aren't meant to be life replacements

1 fractal dungeon including Jade Maw counts as 4. With a solid group we completed an entire fractal in under 20 minutes.

so what themepark MMO does the most elite of the elite find challenging then?

None unfortunately.

Funny you mention themepark. I do keep a lookout for sandbox MMOs marketed to a mature hardcore audience. Hopefully we'll get a studio that doesn't want to target everyone and thier dog with a T rating.

figured as much.. but try out what i said above.. go to orr and round up a group of 20+ mobs and see how well you fair.. hell throw in a champion while you at it since you find everything so mind numbingly easy... compared to most other themepark MMOs gw2 pve is hardly a cake walk. 

You're fighting a losing battle.  Players have come into every MMO in the history of the world's forums to belittle the game's content, calling it any variety of "dumbed down," "boring," "simplistic," "carebear," or "casual."  The hope is that doing so thereby elevates the poster to some superior status above all the lowly drones who indulge in the game he just criticized.  There's no quick point you can make that's going to make him stop believing he's a god amongst men.  

Many better examples of difficult pve content in games more difficult than GW2 have been put forth, and they've just as easily been met with empty answers like "lol, right.  Pressing 1-4 repeatedly is hard," which of course completely fail to accurately represent how combat is actually played in the respective game.  You can't expect to actually make him reconsider, especially using GW2 as the counter example, which admittedly lacks a tier of difficulty that players find themselve fighting ferociously to progress through.  

I must say I agree with this though.

Originally posted by pointchiz

I had great expectations for GW2; unfortunately this game is taking casual gameplay to the extreme. Nothing is even remotely challenging.

I cannot tolerate culling and lag so WvWvW is out of the question. The downed state lowers the skill cieling in sPVP too much. What I mean by that is 1 player cannot defeat 2 or 3 players in a 1v2 or 1v3 situation. I got to Fractals 40+.... yawn...

Explorable dungeons are very poorly designed. They're easy and unrewarding too. The open world PVE is so mind numbing that you can auto attack any NPC to death; even those world event dragon bosses. I feel like I'm losing IQ and becoming stupid the more I play this game.

 I was wondering if any people were like me; frustrated by how easy the PVE is and how bad the PVP feels?

 

Agreed.

I already sold my account with 1550 hours played and 2 legendaries crafted after I realised all this and I am glad I did :) When I announced my guild that I am leaving the game they understood me very well, gw2 is not about progression, grind, etc.. Its just about a simple ''fun''. GW2 is the game for casuals .. thats not mmoprg i am looking for :/

Go ahead and put me in the can not play it section!

I have 6 level 80 chars and find higher level pve too much of a drain (and very little reward₁) to bother doing, and as for dungeons, forget it, I am never going to be hard core enough to call these anything but patheticly hard. So, not being able to do dungeons, I will never get any good armor and thus never go to pvp, not that pvp is playable anyway with the other players apearing out of nowhere and killing you before you can react! I havnt played for a couple of days and the withdrawal symptoms are going away!

For those that say the game is too easy, this is not the game for them, go elsewhere! For the rest of us, please make the game playable!

1. the reward system is not worth the effort as when you do get a better quality item from a drop, it is usually for another class of char and thus not worth anything except what you can sell it for!

Originally posted by zastroph

Go ahead and put me in the can not play it section!

I have 6 level 80 chars and find higher level pve too much of a drain (and very little reward₁) to bother doing, and as for dungeons, forget it, I am never going to be hard core enough to call these anything but patheticly hard. So, not being able to do dungeons, I will never get any good armor and thus never go to pvp, not that pvp is playable anyway with the other players apearing out of nowhere and killing you before you can react! I havnt played for a couple of days and the withdrawal symptoms are going away!

For those that say the game is too easy, this is not the game for them, go elsewhere! For the rest of us, please make the game playable!

 

1. the reward system is not worth the effort as when you do get a better quality item from a drop, it is usually for another class of char and thus not worth anything except what you can sell it for!

mindnumbingly easy and pathetically hard... no wonder devs can't balance anything out... 

Originally posted by avalon1000
The problem as I see it is that there are some people who just spend too much time playing these games. There's a real world out there...go out and explore it.

haha i can agree with that.. or just play other games.. hell i'm a big fan of gw2 but only have 2 80s and 450 hours /age since launch.. i can't imagine how some people have 1500 hours + in this game already.. any game I did that in that fast  i'd be bored i like to mix it up and play several games at once.. enjoying tomb raider right now(great game imho)

Originally posted by Dogblaster

Originally posted by pointchiz

I had great expectations for GW2; unfortunately this game is taking casual gameplay to the extreme. Nothing is even remotely challenging.

I cannot tolerate culling and lag so WvWvW is out of the question. The downed state lowers the skill cieling in sPVP too much. What I mean by that is 1 player cannot defeat 2 or 3 players in a 1v2 or 1v3 situation. I got to Fractals 40+.... yawn...

Explorable dungeons are very poorly designed. They're easy and unrewarding too. The open world PVE is so mind numbing that you can auto attack any NPC to death; even those world event dragon bosses. I feel like I'm losing IQ and becoming stupid the more I play this game.

 I was wondering if any people were like me; frustrated by how easy the PVE is and how bad the PVP feels?

 

Agreed.

I already sold my account with 1550 hours played and 2 legendaries crafted after I realised all this and I am glad I did :) When I announced my guild that I am leaving the game they understood me very well, gw2 is not about progression, grind, etc.. Its just about a simple ''fun''. GW2 is the game for casuals .. thats not mmoprg i am looking for :/

 

Took you 1550 hours to realize that, Jesus Christ. 

Originally posted by Dogblaster

Originally posted by pointchiz

I had great expectations for GW2; unfortunately this game is taking casual gameplay to the extreme. Nothing is even remotely challenging.

I cannot tolerate culling and lag so WvWvW is out of the question. The downed state lowers the skill cieling in sPVP too much. What I mean by that is 1 player cannot defeat 2 or 3 players in a 1v2 or 1v3 situation. I got to Fractals 40+.... yawn...

Explorable dungeons are very poorly designed. They're easy and unrewarding too. The open world PVE is so mind numbing that you can auto attack any NPC to death; even those world event dragon bosses. I feel like I'm losing IQ and becoming stupid the more I play this game.

 I was wondering if any people were like me; frustrated by how easy the PVE is and how bad the PVP feels?

 

Agreed.

I already sold my account with 1550 hours played and 2 legendaries crafted after I realised all this and I am glad I did :) When I announced my guild that I am leaving the game they understood me very well, gw2 is not about progression, grind, etc.. Its just about a simple ''fun''. GW2 is the game for casuals .. thats not mmoprg i am looking for :/

 

I can understand your opinion.  Mine happens to be the exact opposite - after years of gaming and now having a family, the ONLY thing I look for in a game is "fun".  I get paid to do a job, when I get home I'm done with work.

Originally posted by issling

You may flame me and I may be a dinosaur, but I am sadden by the current state of this genere. So to stay on topic what truly is the point of this game? It is so boring and Does anybody really feel connected to the game world, you can port to other citys within five minutes of being in the game world the first time you play. I know I am on a losing side when it comes to this, but I have been out with friends and have maybe had one or two to many:) 

You're are not wrong man, not at all. I blame the player for the most part. Not all the way, but for the most. I could never understand why a gamer would what to play a game  for "free." If the game is worth your time it's worth your money. Yet many still feel they are wronged if they are charged. Thus the "free to play" system. 

What I've found recently is that if the game is good enough, I can stomach it. I want good developers to make money. I've come to terms with it, as long as it doesn't effect my game play.

GW2 PvE was probably the biggest joke I ever experienced, at the time I got 80 fractals wasn't out and Arah was apparently the hardest dungeon, I did 3 of the 4 paths my first day at 80...

So what do I progress towards now? WvW... alright, my guild and friends claimed a base, we guarded it and fully upgraded it, k, that was easy, now were bored, I did SPvP for two weeks then quit.

Boring, casual, no progression, doesnt feel like an MMO.

Originally posted by issling
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I think you are very mistaken here. This game is at the other end of the cash shop spectrum. What is it you are buying that is making you feel this way?

Also, what company doesn't sit down in a meeting room to discuss making money? Somehow they have to pay bills and feed their families. 

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Originally posted by badgerAlum

 

I can understand your opinion.  Mine happens to be the exact opposite - after years of gaming and now having a family, the ONLY thing I look for in a game is "fun".  I get paid to do a job, when I get home I'm done with work.

same.. also way to many games out now to be locked down to one game for thousands of hours.. i like a good variety and gw2 offers me some good fun and I play several other games as well.. don't feel i need every MMO to suck my life away where I feel i need to spend every waking hour playing just to keep up with my guild.. glad gw2 isn't like that.