Originally posted by Seitr

Originally posted by Kuldebar

Originally posted by Seitr

You are the third person to say something like this about daoc....am I the only person who used /face? As a caster that is the first thing I did to ensure I was always facing my target.

/face didn't help if the enemy player dipped right inside your avatar at the right moment during a cast.

I used it and never had an issue casting

Did they remove LOS restrictions from spells at some point? Because that's exactly how it worked: combine the lack of CD with LOS denial plus the interrupt code, casters would pretty much be nullified.

There are good arguements for both sides. The best solution to this is to beta test it with and without. We can decide then. Pointless to say you are or are not going to play based on CD alone without having a clue about the other game mechanics, class abilities and engine performance. It's what happens to you during a CD or not that is important, not it of itself.

If you want to your opinion to affect the game, buy a beta access during KS,  test the shit out of it and give feedback in the beta forum. CSE has 14 poeple on the team list of their site. They need us to test and you can bet their ass they will listen with MJ running the show.

Originally posted by zekuel
Seen a post about players running through other players. Do you guys remember lag casting. Man that sucked getting popped by a target that wasn't even there.

There was a Sorceror on Percival who had lag-casting perfected.  He could LT the hell outta you while he was out of bow range.

Originally posted by Kuldebar

Originally posted by Seitr

Originally posted by Kuldebar

Originally posted by Seitr

You are the third person to say something like this about daoc....am I the only person who used /face? As a caster that is the first thing I did to ensure I was always facing my target.

/face didn't help if the enemy player dipped right inside your avatar at the right moment during a cast.

I used it and never had an issue casting

Did they remove LOS restrictions from spells at some point? Because that's exactly how it worked: combine the lack of CD with LOS denial plus the interrupt code, casters would pretty much be nullified.

LOS issues because of other physical barriers plus interrupts yes, but I can assure you a caster was not nullified because of CD issues with people running through you. If you were you didnt know how to play a caster.

Originally posted by dynamicipftw
So pro-CD guys which MMOs with CD had great combat? Give us names.

Every game in existence has collision detection, yes, even Tetris.

Originally posted by dynamicipftw
So pro-CD guys which MMOs with CD had great combat? Give us names.

For all it's faults elsewhere, WAR had fantastically fun combat.  The question here isn't the quality of the combat.  It's the scalability.  After they got the kinks out, keep-level RvR in WAR worked beautifully.  It was the Fortress-level battles that people complained about. 

In those situations I could see the server deciding to switch off CD.  Or switch to a simplified version of CD.

Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
No game compares to daoc pvp
Keep the core concepts the same
Ie no cd

Lets move on

DAoC not having CD was not a "core concept" but practically impossible because of the limitations of the technolodgy.

Mark said he doesn't want to make DAoC2, and why would he? You can go back and play DAoC if you think it's so amazing. Don't oppose to anything new just because DAoC was your favorite game. 

I think people expect too much from a kickstarter project..

Originally posted by Dane_Wilding

Originally posted by Niix_Ozek
No game compares to daoc pvp
Keep the core concepts the same
Ie no cd

Lets move on

DAoC not having CD was not a "core concept" but practically impossible because of the limitations of the technolodgy.

Mark said he doesn't want to make DAoC2, and why would he? You can go back and play DAoC if you think it's so amazing. Don't oppose to anything new just because DAoC was your favorite game. 

DAOC even with capability with CD would have not worked ...

He said he isn't making DAoC2 because he can't legally make daoc2. He has stated many times he wants to make an old school rvr mmo, and the only good old school rvr mmo was daoc so why would you not expect it to have a lot of similarities.

Only reason the UI is clunky is because its over 10 years old, and honestly biggest reason I don't still play.

I think a dev with his eyes closed now could make a better interface UI.

I noticed the poll for CD has CD winning here, but the poll of KB,Pulls, and leaps has more people not wanting them. It's funny because with CD you need those things.... it just goes to show people don't really think deeply about things and the consequences of a decision must be put in their face for them to even consider them. 

With CD comes forced movement abilities. Leaps tend to come as a counter for those forced movement abilities. With leaps you will probably steer away from hard interrupts (that daoc had). A nice little chain that takes away more strategy than CD creates.