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  thinktank001

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3/06/13 10:48:10 AM#221
Originally posted by taziar

You miss the point entirely.  There were NO warning labels on BPA products, and only a few studies.  If people didn't make an issue of it, that is how it would still be.  Once people told their friends, and media got involved, warning labels came.  Then, products stopped using it entirely.  Now there are much larger studies showing how bad it is.

 

The problem is there are no independent gaming media companies.  All of them dictate their content to please their sources of revenue (game publishers).   How are players supposed to spread their information and issues if they never get front page posting?

 

This site and many others never talk about the disadvantages that cash shop games have when players are allowed to buy advantages over other players during their reviews, and they all still continue to call these games "free".  

  nariusseldon

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3/06/13 10:52:59 AM#222
Originally posted by thinktank001
 

 

The problem is there are no independent gaming media companies.  All of them dictate their content to please their sources of revenue (game publishers).   How are players supposed to spread their information and issues if they never get front page posting?

 If you are a steam user, you see indie games all the time. And there are plenty of indie games website. Don't tell me players don't know how to use google to find new indie games.

This site and many others never talk about the disadvantages that cash shop games have when players are allowed to buy advantages over other players during their reviews, and they all still continue to call these games "free".  

These games are free. You can play and you pay nothing. Isn't that the definition of free?

I am playing STO .. i pay nothing. Tell me what it costs me financially (obviously you still have to spend time).

 

  Nilden

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3/06/13 11:24:55 AM#223
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by thinktank001
 

 

The problem is there are no independent gaming media companies.  All of them dictate their content to please their sources of revenue (game publishers).   How are players supposed to spread their information and issues if they never get front page posting?

 If you are a steam user, you see indie games all the time. And there are plenty of indie games website. Don't tell me players don't know how to use google to find new indie games.

This site and many others never talk about the disadvantages that cash shop games have when players are allowed to buy advantages over other players during their reviews, and they all still continue to call these games "free".  

These games are free. You can play and you pay nothing. Isn't that the definition of free?

I am playing STO .. i pay nothing. Tell me what it costs me financially (obviously you still have to spend time).

 

How do you see independant gaming media and then relate that to steam indie games? To me that sounds like game journalism is held captive by game companies. Bad review = banned from press invites.

These games are not free. Servers, employees, and running them costs money. I wish everyone played these free to play games for free they would be out of business. If these games are so free why do they have cash shops?

 

 

 

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  nariusseldon

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3/06/13 12:01:50 PM#224
Originally posted by nilden
 

How do you see independant gaming media and then relate that to steam indie games? To me that sounds like game journalism is held captive by game companies. Bad review = banned from press invites.

I think you put too much importance on game journalism. In this day & age of the internet, there is no lack of info about indie games. Information is just a google click away.

These games are not free. Servers, employees, and running them costs money. I wish everyone played these free to play games for free they would be out of business. If these games are so free why do they have cash shops?

They are free to a majority. It is well known that F2P games are supported by a minority of whales. And they are certainly free to me.

For people who don't use cash shops (and there are many), the games are free.

 

 

 

 

  Elikal

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“No path is darker then when your eyes are shut.” -Flemeth

3/06/13 2:18:12 PM#225

The problem is: games are not ANY product like socks or hats or chairs. And gaming is not a hobby like bowling or knitting. Gamers are VERY passionate about their hobby, and love *their* games much more. Also there is much less compeition/choice. If a group of bowling buddies didn't like a particular bowling club, they go to another. End of story. With games your choices are much more limited and you are WAY more dependent on what the developer offers.

Let's be honest here: gaming has a lot of an addiction. If some game is THERE and it halfway fits our "hunting scheme", we buy it. Period. Resisting NOT to buy a game usually fitting your interest is, due to the addiction faction, very, very hard.

Now the false conclusion of developing companies is: OH look, people are actually buying the 10 Dollar pony, lets put MORE ponies into the ingame shop. They conclude, most people like the shop, since they use the shop, and that is WRONG. The average gamer is addicted to HAVE IT ALL. He can't bear the idea there is some content which he hasn't. It's like eating chips. The more you eat, the more you desire to eat more, and you are never satiated but only even more greedy. People buy from ingame shops and DLC because gaming is like an addiction. Most people don't like it, but have not the strength to really say no.

As a result people are paying more and more with each year for the same content that previously was in a "flatrate" box. So we kinda fall back into the days before the "flatrate" economy made stuff affordable. All of a sudden the world is no longer equal, one box for all, no the gaming world is divided into rich people who have tons of extra and fancy stuff and poor people who have the barebone game. And I fundamentally HATE that. I loved it in games that for once, your RL money did NOT matter. One box, one content for all the same. And then what you got in the game was ONLY your dedication, your creativity and your intelligence, NOT your pocket purse!

 

Sorry, but EA has done NOTHING but harm the gaming development in the last 20 years. It's almost a monopoly now, and that is never good for the customer.

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  Scot

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3/07/13 3:02:56 AM#226

"Now the false conclusion of developing companies is: OH look, people are actually buying the 10 Dollar pony, lets put MORE ponies into the ingame shop. They conclude, most people like the shop, since they use the shop, and that is WRONG. The average gamer is addicted to HAVE IT ALL. He can't bear the idea there is some content which he hasn't. It's like eating chips. The more you eat, the more you desire to eat more, and you are never satiated but only even more greedy. People buy from ingame shops and DLC because gaming is like an addiction. Most people don't like it, but have not the strength to really say no."

 

I don't think gaming companies have decided that a cash shop is fine and most players want one because they will use the shop. I think they do realise gaming is addictive, they do realise we want it all. That is part of their strategy to milk as much money from players as possible.

  Jemcrystal

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Let em put a slave ring thru u're nose u're prob not going to like where they're taking you. Think.

3/07/13 7:05:00 AM#227
Arrrrrrr.  I smells a pirate who's after our looty.

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  Elikal

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3/07/13 7:32:04 AM#228
Originally posted by Jemcrystal
Arrrrrrr.  I smells a pirate who's after our looty.

In the immortal words of Captain Barbossa: "These aren't actual rules... more like... guidelines!" XD

Haarrrr!

 

The best review on Amazon was this, written by "plantos500"

 

"You'd think I'd be mega unhappy like everyone else at the constant waiting and lack of actually being able to play a game I purchased.

Well, you'd be wrong.

The hours upon hours since launch that I haven't been able to log in, whether it be sitting in queues, or server busy messages, or just plain old not working screens, I've managed to do a heap of things that I never do when I'm locked in my man cave playing video games.

I've washed the dishes, the laundry, changed the oil in the car, mopped the floors, dusted, did a spot of gardening, greeted my children who I hadn't really seen since Christmas, walked the dog, asked how my wife's day has been and listened to the entire response, restocked the groceries and many more things! My family has never been happier that they've got a father and husband again.

In fact, I feel like Simcity has given me a new lease on life. This wouldn't have been possible without the seemingly crazy decision to have constant online connections and server side save points even for single player.

So I can only thank EA and Maxis. Your failures have been my rewards. 5 stars!
"

People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert

  User Deleted
3/07/13 10:20:06 AM#229
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Jemcrystal
Arrrrrrr.  I smells a pirate who's after our looty.

In the immortal words of Captain Barbossa: "These aren't actual rules... more like... guidelines!" XD

Haarrrr!

 

The best review on Amazon was this, written by "plantos500"

 

"You'd think I'd be mega unhappy like everyone else at the constant waiting and lack of actually being able to play a game I purchased.

Well, you'd be wrong.

The hours upon hours since launch that I haven't been able to log in, whether it be sitting in queues, or server busy messages, or just plain old not working screens, I've managed to do a heap of things that I never do when I'm locked in my man cave playing video games.

I've washed the dishes, the laundry, changed the oil in the car, mopped the floors, dusted, did a spot of gardening, greeted my children who I hadn't really seen since Christmas, walked the dog, asked how my wife's day has been and listened to the entire response, restocked the groceries and many more things! My family has never been happier that they've got a father and husband again.

In fact, I feel like Simcity has given me a new lease on life. This wouldn't have been possible without the seemingly crazy decision to have constant online connections and server side save points even for single player.

So I can only thank EA and Maxis. Your failures have been my rewards. 5 stars!
"

Best two ways to get a gamer out of a game:

1) Make him/her excited about a game which will obviously have issues like this.

2) Threaten to withhold sex (though if you're a guy doing this... you're gonna be waiting a long time but only the first time XD).

  nariusseldon

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3/07/13 11:25:22 AM#230
Originally posted by Scot

I don't think gaming companies have decided that a cash shop is fine and most players want one because they will use the shop. I think they do realise gaming is addictive, they do realise we want it all. That is part of their strategy to milk as much money from players as possible.

Gambling is addictive. Alcohol is addictive. But most people are not addicted to either.

I really don't have a lot of sympathy to people who don't have a little self-control.

I have been playing F2P games for a few years now, and i have never spent a dime in the cashshop of them (specifically STO, DDO, a little LOTRO, and DCUO). So it works for me.

 

  Scot

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Posts: 5693

3/08/13 2:35:28 AM#231
If you are playing for hours on end you are addicted, you dont have to be paying to be hooked to something. But I assume you pay for single player games? One way or another you will feed the beast, it is hungry for your loot.
  nariusseldon

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3/08/13 12:56:08 PM#232
Originally posted by Scot
If you are playing for hours on end you are addicted, you dont have to be paying to be hooked to something. But I assume you pay for single player games? One way or another you will feed beast, it is hungry for your loot.

Addiction is not that simple. The formal defintiion includes a dependency and often include withdrawal sypmtoms.

I doubt just playing for hours will fall into that.

I have watch tv for hours before, am i addicted to tv? Probably not since usually i don't, and there is no psychological dependencies. How about games?

I do want to finish single player games .. but never have a need to return after i see the ending. Am i "addicted"? I think not. In fact, there are periods of time i don't play games at all and seek other entertainment. That is not a typical addicting scenario, right?

I don't think just spending a few hours on an activity once in a while will count as addiction.

 

  Jemcrystal

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Let em put a slave ring thru u're nose u're prob not going to like where they're taking you. Think.

3/09/13 12:50:42 AM#233
Originally posted by HabitualFrogStomp
Originally posted by taziar
But fine, how about a simplier example.  If you want your political candidate to win, do you just vote with your vote?  If that is all everyone supporting your candidate did, your side would lose.  Getting OTHER people to vote is how you win.  This is why people campaign, to gain support for their side.  It is all about changing public perception.  

So in effect you wanna convince other people to stop buying video games because they are offered a digital medium for which to buy additional content if they choose to.

Are you also going to protest outside your local McDonalds for having the audacity to ask you if you want fries with that?

 

Do you want fries with your Happy Meal?  Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know we once included the fries in the Happy Meal but economics, inflation, you know.  

 

"Yeah, okay, I guess I'll take the fries."  

 

Great!  Will you be having a soft drink with that Happy Meal?

 

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  Popple

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3/09/13 1:00:07 AM#234
Originally posted by apocoluster
  Great news :)   

Not a lot of us can just fork over for a $25 for a little pony...But hey if you think thats great news to which EA is going,do you care to share that wealth of yours?

I retired retroactively..Haha

  Scot

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3/09/13 2:28:20 AM#235
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Scot
If you are playing for hours on end you are addicted, you dont have to be paying to be hooked to something. But I assume you pay for single player games? One way or another you will feed beast, it is hungry for your loot.

Addiction is not that simple. The formal defintiion includes a dependency and often include withdrawal sypmtoms.

I doubt just playing for hours will fall into that.

I have watch tv for hours before, am i addicted to tv? Probably not since usually i don't, and there is no psychological dependencies. How about games?

I do want to finish single player games .. but never have a need to return after i see the ending. Am i "addicted"? I think not. In fact, there are periods of time i don't play games at all and seek other entertainment. That is not a typical addicting scenario, right?

I don't think just spending a few hours on an activity once in a while will count as addiction.

 

Spend a week without TV or gaming, take your pick. Come back here and tell us you are not really missing it, had no trouble not switching that TV on, could not care about starting that game. Your withdrawal symptoms are the excessive amount of time you think about that fact you are not playing or watching. Sure its not like a drug, but an entrenched habit is hard to kick.

  MurlockDance

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3/09/13 3:05:25 AM#236

I will never buy a game that requires extra money just to play it if that is what this is all about (edit - I mean a game that is not an MMORPG). If I buy a single player game, I prefer it to be offline and only require extra money for expacs. I already tried some single player games that were online only and I had a bad experience with them (Diablo 3, ok so you can play multiplayer but I never did and never wanted to). If I have to pay extra money for bullets or whatever, to hell with that game and the company responsible for that.

However microtransactions in F2P MMORPGs is very different. You get the basic game for free, but to unlock content you have to pay more. That is essentially like buying expacs and I find that to be fair. I already like less P2P games that require microtransactions to unlock cosmetic items (why can't I get that stuff ingame through playing ?), but again if they require microtransactions to unlock new content that is pretty much akin to buying an expac. I also don't mind paying more for extra services: character transfers to join friends on another server, new character slots, database changes, etc.

It all depends on what they are asking extra money for. If it is just to enjoy a game that you already paid money for (and is not fun straight out of the box), I will never support that kind of business model. I do not think people should be forced to pay 60 bucks for just having access to a game and then required to pay more to actually enjoy it. That is ridiculous and is a rip-off.

If that is the sort of gaming that EA is going to promote, then ToR will me my last EA purchase.

Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

  GoldenArrow

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3/09/13 3:23:22 AM#237

EA is just following what's is happening with the gaming scene.

Players don't care about balance, sense of achievement or anything likewise anymore.

Only thing that matters is personal progress and it should be lightning fast and boosted by spending real money.

I would milk out these "players" aswell.

  VengeSunsoar

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3/09/13 4:21:43 AM#238
Originally posted by Scot
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Scot
If you are playing for hours on end you are addicted, you dont have to be paying to be hooked to something. But I assume you pay for single player games? One way or another you will feed beast, it is hungry for your loot.

Addiction is not that simple. The formal defintiion includes a dependency and often include withdrawal sypmtoms.

I doubt just playing for hours will fall into that.

I have watch tv for hours before, am i addicted to tv? Probably not since usually i don't, and there is no psychological dependencies. How about games?

I do want to finish single player games .. but never have a need to return after i see the ending. Am i "addicted"? I think not. In fact, there are periods of time i don't play games at all and seek other entertainment. That is not a typical addicting scenario, right?

I don't think just spending a few hours on an activity once in a while will count as addiction.

 

Spend a week without TV or gaming, take your pick. Come back here and tell us you are not really missing it, had no trouble not switching that TV on, could not care about starting that game. Your withdrawal symptoms are the excessive amount of time you think about that fact you are not playing or watching. Sure its not like a drug, but an entrenched habit is hard to kick.

 An entrenched habit, even an abuse, is not an addiction.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  ColumbiaTrue

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3/09/13 2:48:33 PM#239
THE EA BOYCOTT 
 
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REMAINS
 
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IN FULL FORCE AND EFFECT
 
 
 
 
 
I have never purchased an EA product, and I absolutely never will; they just had to ruin Sim City.

"The truth is EA lies." - Youtube User

Sim City. Everquest. Civilization. Dungeon Keeper. Vampire: The Masquerade. These are the games that I love and cherish.

  nariusseldon

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3/09/13 7:49:47 PM#240
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Scot
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Scot
If you are playing for hours on end you are addicted, you dont have to be paying to be hooked to something. But I assume you pay for single player games? One way or another you will feed beast, it is hungry for your loot.

Addiction is not that simple. The formal defintiion includes a dependency and often include withdrawal sypmtoms.

I doubt just playing for hours will fall into that.

I have watch tv for hours before, am i addicted to tv? Probably not since usually i don't, and there is no psychological dependencies. How about games?

I do want to finish single player games .. but never have a need to return after i see the ending. Am i "addicted"? I think not. In fact, there are periods of time i don't play games at all and seek other entertainment. That is not a typical addicting scenario, right?

I don't think just spending a few hours on an activity once in a while will count as addiction.

 

Spend a week without TV or gaming, take your pick. Come back here and tell us you are not really missing it, had no trouble not switching that TV on, could not care about starting that game. Your withdrawal symptoms are the excessive amount of time you think about that fact you are not playing or watching. Sure its not like a drug, but an entrenched habit is hard to kick.

 An entrenched habit, even an abuse, is not an addiction.

Plus, i just spent a weekend last month (valentine day weekend) with my wife up to NAPA for wine tasting. No tv, no movies .. hardly miss anything.

Heck, sometimes i go for 2-3 weeks without checking the tv shows that i follow and i have to "catch up". Don't think everyone needs this stuff. There are plenty of other stuff to do.

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