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  erictlewis

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3/07/13 8:17:37 PM#41

Well I glady pay the 15 bucks a month for the gold subscription, I raid so I need fabled, and legendary and masters.  However I got to say this is one step to them almost going total free to play/cart blaunch,  and I will say some of the subscribers were screaming in 1-9 chat about it today.  It got down right nasty on guk for a short bit.   It is not being recieved well by the gold memembers. 

 

  strangiato2112

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3/07/13 8:27:56 PM#42
Originally posted by Ehliya

Not sure why people panicked at the idea of perma-death in EQN.  Done right, it can add meaning to the game world and game play.  Check out the explanation given by the developers in Trials of Ascension as to why that game will have perma-death (which in their case means your character gets 100 regular deaths before PD kicks in).

MMO's have become no-consequence Candylands where everyone gets the Grand Prize just for showing up.  *zzzzzzzz*

Because permadeath is idiotic in a genre that is designed around people playing long term.  Building a character long term only to have it die off would make people quit immediately and never come back again.

Permadeath is for games without long term character growth.  Im sure theres an ultra-niche audience out there for it somewhere, but making an EQ game that would alienate 99.99% of people that enjoyed EQ1 and 2 would just be idiotic.

 

Now a permadeath server, thats a different story.  I could see people using it as a side thing.  but to have your main character able to die?  Long term subscriber/player suicide.

  User Deleted
3/08/13 2:39:43 AM#43

Read:

Other newer games have moved to F2P or B2P that are far less restrictive and people were sick of our shit, even though our games are fairly good quality.

So we were pretty much forced to lower the F2P restrictions.

  User Deleted
3/08/13 2:43:28 AM#44
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by Nadia

very nice but gear restrictions are the most common complaint

 

in EQ2,

I'd like to see gear restrictions only for Fabled gear

gear restriction and skills restriction are the reason im not playing EQ2 and Vanguard. Not sure if they relieved those in VG

 

Yeah, while the unlockers are cheap, they already have enough vanity items to milk, rather than doing the gear unlock route.

  Vesavius

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3/08/13 5:24:34 AM#45
Any news of a fresh classic EQ server for the anniversary?
  Caldrin

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3/08/13 6:35:15 AM#46

nice of them to lift those restrictions..

 

To people crying about there still being some restrictios in game.. well they still gotta make money on it.. If you want them then sub up or whatever you do to get them..

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  cura

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3/08/13 6:42:57 AM#47
Originally posted by nationalcity

boo hoo, complain, complain, complain, basically I summed up every post in this thread...........

I just for the life of me cannot understand why I keep coming to this site its nothing but negativity......

 

And thats why i like this site. Poeple here have expectations and arent satisfied with every crap they are thrown.

Just saying. It has nothing to do with the subject as i dont play EQs

  Swiftrevoir

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3/08/13 6:44:16 AM#48
Yatta!!!!  I get to return to EQ2!  I miss my fairy pally ^^.
  Swiftrevoir

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Posts: 162

3/08/13 6:44:57 AM#49
Plus the DM isn't the focal point of the game anymore as they nerfed the rewards.  Holy shit heyseus I'm happy!
  Ehliya

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Joined: 7/13/06
Posts: 182

3/08/13 6:49:37 AM#50
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Ehliya

Not sure why people panicked at the idea of perma-death in EQN.  Done right, it can add meaning to the game world and game play.  Check out the explanation given by the developers in Trials of Ascension as to why that game will have perma-death (which in their case means your character gets 100 regular deaths before PD kicks in).

MMO's have become no-consequence Candylands where everyone gets the Grand Prize just for showing up.  *zzzzzzzz*

Because permadeath is idiotic in a genre that is designed around people playing long term.  Building a character long term only to have it die off would make people quit immediately and never come back again.

Permadeath is for games without long term character growth.  Im sure theres an ultra-niche audience out there for it somewhere, but making an EQ game that would alienate 99.99% of people that enjoyed EQ1 and 2 would just be idiotic.

 

Now a permadeath server, thats a different story.  I could see people using it as a side thing.  but to have your main character able to die?  Long term subscriber/player suicide.

Those reasons are more related to marketing and subscriber retention.  That does not make what you say wrong - companies do need to make money.  But will most people really stop playing games that have meaningful risk and loss?  Must all MMOs be driven solely by a Treadmill mentality, whereby each and every design decision is there to keep people chasing the wedge of cheese?  I think we are selling ourselves short.  

Just one key example - item decay and item loss.  Why is this so feared?  That is because nearly all MMO are item-driven.  Items define your characters advancement, quest rewards, crafting system, etc.  Leveling isn't important anymore.  It is getting the Sword Of The Ages or that set of elite armor (inevitably gained by grinding the same end-game instances 100 times over).  But what if items are made so they are NOT that crucial?  What if what mattered was what your character did to affect the game world, especially in a lasting way?  

No one remembers what the name was of Alexander the Great's sword or what tier his set of armor was.  They remember what Alexander did and said.  And the legacy he left when he died.  Contrast that with MMO where the man is made great by the stuff he owns/wears.

Perma-death is not a be-all, end-all.  But, like item decay, I think it is a move in a positive direction if done right.  Again, check out the Trials of Ascension website for a better description of this than I can give.

  Akumawraith

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Joined: 9/27/12
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Why is it said that the road to hell is paved with good intentions? Is there a shortage of bad ones?

3/08/13 8:17:23 AM#51

I find all this f2p crap lame.. its not trully f2p. I have yet to find an MMO that you can play for free that doesnt have a cash store that limits you on any of the following:

Gear

Weapons

Currency

Ammo

Skills

Bags

The whole F2P theme is a scam and only those who trully play the games and use the cash stores to get thier unlocks and xp buffs/potions know this one truth:

F2P is more expensive than a sub based game at 15 bucks a month.

Its a nice lil scam that the gimme generation falls into with every new themepark game. 7-10 Million players pay Blizzard 15 bucks a month and enjoy the game. They can buy the vanity fluff crap mountsor stuffed animals off the Blizz store at thier leisure but nothing in the game is restrictive.

This EQ-EQ2 BS announcement is still a lame duck but now its in a neck brace for greed impact whiplash.

P2W games like Tera are far worse but at least the devs of those games are openly stating they want your cash to whip more backsides. These companies who claim their game is free to play and lock in a butt load of restrictions are bold faced liars. its only free to play if you are content to be the loser with none of the nice gear / upgrades. I hate to say it like that but its what the players think and how it feels when you play a game like STO and see the Zstore ships and they are pulverizing everyone else out there with thier multi buff consoles.. in some cases 3 of them... I should know.. i have several of those ships including the Andorian ships with 5 fore weapon slots that give me a huge advantage over others..

 

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  Nadia

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3/08/13 8:24:36 AM#52
Originally posted by Akumawraith

I find all this f2p crap lame.. its not trully f2p. I have yet to find an MMO that you can play for free that doesnt have a cash store that limits you on any of the following:

 

i agree EQ2 is a freemium game and not truely ftp

 

once you hit DOV content or Chains of Eternity: 

you are forced to pay for gear,  there is no treasured gear

 

but thats still 90 levels of content where gear wont matter much -- PreDOV expansion

  Kreeture

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3/08/13 8:55:06 AM#53
@DJMantiss How is eq2 not worth a sub? It is packed with content and immersive worlds. Ihave played and play many mmo's and everquest is by far the most well thought out and deep game i have ever played -period
 
  strangiato2112

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3/08/13 9:02:07 AM#54
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Akumawraith

I find all this f2p crap lame.. its not trully f2p. I have yet to find an MMO that you can play for free that doesnt have a cash store that limits you on any of the following:

 

i agree EQ2 is a freemium game and not truely ftp

 

once you hit DOV content or Chains of Eternity: 

you are forced to pay for gear,  there is no treasured gear

 

but thats still 90 levels of content where gear wont matter much -- PreDOV expansion

And that 90 levels has significantly more content than all other MMORPGs released in the last 10 years.  And there are guilds that work through it.

 

The thing that most people dont seem to understand though, is the enormous effect that the gear restriction removal would have on SoE's EQ2 revenue.  It would absolutely cripple it. Because the vast majority of the games population that pays 12-15 a month would unsub.

 

I personally see no issue with not letting level 90+ people play for free.  (which they technically can with kronos anyway).  

 

  Zorgo

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3/08/13 9:10:24 AM#55
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Akumawraith

I find all this f2p crap lame.. its not trully f2p. I have yet to find an MMO that you can play for free that doesnt have a cash store that limits you on any of the following:

 

i agree EQ2 is a freemium game and not truely ftp

 

once you hit DOV content or Chains of Eternity: 

you are forced to pay for gear,  there is no treasured gear

 

but thats still 90 levels of content where gear wont matter much -- PreDOV expansion

And that 90 levels has significantly more content than all other MMORPGs released in the last 10 years.  And there are guilds that work through it.

 

The thing that most people dont seem to understand though, is the enormous effect that the gear restriction removal would have on SoE's EQ2 revenue.  It would absolutely cripple it. Because the vast majority of the games population that pays 12-15 a month would unsub.

 

I personally see no issue with not letting level 90+ people play for free.  (which they technically can with kronos anyway).  

 

True. There seem to be a lot of people here who act as if having any sort of revenue stream is somehow duping the players. 

It is simple math; if they drop the sub; they have to generate that income in a different way. So far, many act as if that 'different way' is a scam; and here with EQ2 we have one of the least restrictive models on the market.....

I mean how conditioned are some of you to look for evil behind every door -  to scream, 'foul' at the announcement of MORE access for free? They've lessened the restrictions - IT's A SCAM.

so how do you folks who act as if this is some greed conspiracy propose they generate revenue to maintain the game?

Remember - the sub model failed them. 

  Akumawraith

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Why is it said that the road to hell is paved with good intentions? Is there a shortage of bad ones?

3/08/13 9:48:16 AM#56
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Akumawraith

I find all this f2p crap lame.. its not trully f2p. I have yet to find an MMO that you can play for free that doesnt have a cash store that limits you on any of the following:

 

i agree EQ2 is a freemium game and not truely ftp

 

once you hit DOV content or Chains of Eternity: 

you are forced to pay for gear,  there is no treasured gear

 

but thats still 90 levels of content where gear wont matter much -- PreDOV expansion

And that 90 levels has significantly more content than all other MMORPGs released in the last 10 years.  And there are guilds that work through it.

 

The thing that most people dont seem to understand though, is the enormous effect that the gear restriction removal would have on SoE's EQ2 revenue.  It would absolutely cripple it. Because the vast majority of the games population that pays 12-15 a month would unsub.

 

I personally see no issue with not letting level 90+ people play for free.  (which they technically can with kronos anyway).  

 

True. There seem to be a lot of people here who act as if having any sort of revenue stream is somehow duping the players. 

It is simple math; if they drop the sub; they have to generate that income in a different way. So far, many act as if that 'different way' is a scam; and here with EQ2 we have one of the least restrictive models on the market.....

I mean how conditioned are some of you to look for evil behind every door -  to scream, 'foul' at the announcement of MORE access for free? They've lessened the restrictions - IT's A SCAM.

so how do you folks who act as if this is some greed conspiracy propose they generate revenue to maintain the game?

Remember - the sub model failed them. 

The sub model didnt fail them, the Devs failed and the players recognized it.. EQ was a great game until they started releaseing far too many expansions and making players get ticked because all the work they had put into getting gear was a waste of time...

Now dont get me wrong Games have to evolve or they lose thier player base.. however, World of Warcraft has had 4 expansions in a 9 year period and managed to maintain its multi million player subscription Base. Why?

Because they didnt overwhelm the players with 10+ crappy content epansions. They took the time to make quality conent and story lines, they stuck with the lore and introduced new continents and player races. Blizzard may be many things seel outs to Activision, content nerfing fools, or ignoring the player base but they stayed true to the game and limited the content releases so that players could enjoy them.

EQ and EQ2 have left players angry due to the massive number of expansions then making it go f2p because they made the players angry and leave.. only to lock content that in other games players get by default.

You want a beautiful example of what a f2p game should be? Star Citizen.. no gear, no ships, no buffs, no content lockouts.. only thing you can buy on the cstore for this future game is currency for those who are in a rush and dont feel like taking the time to build up the currency. That is an intelligent and player friendly way to generate a cash store that doesnt limit players in game content or game play.However for those who choose to work for thier currency they would never have to use the cstore so it would have no effect on the mainstream player base.

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  Nadia

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3/08/13 10:03:09 AM#57
Originally posted by Akumawraith
Originally posted by Zorgo

Remember - the sub model failed them. 

The sub model didnt fail them, the Devs failed and the players recognized it.. EQ was a great game until they started releaseing far too many expansions and making players get ticked because all the work they had put into getting gear was a waste of time...

Now dont get me wrong Games have to evolve or they lose thier player base.. however, World of Warcraft has had 4 expansions in a 9 year period and managed to maintain its multi million player subscription Base. Why?

Everquest did fine maintaining its sub base for the first 5 years and was the most popular Western mmo until WOW

 

when EQ had expansions

it wasnt gear chasing each expansion but SOE did throw too much paid content at players too soon

 

unlike WOW, during EQs first 5 years

- EQ did not raise the level cap every expansion

- EQ offered new content for all levels -- 1 to 60  -- in 2 expansions, Kunark and Luclin

  Ozivois

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3/08/13 10:12:44 AM#58
I think these new changes are very helpful. For new players to try the game, having limited bag slots and not being able to choose any class or race are turn-offs. So now you can try the game and play for free even better but you will have to start paying at some point as you get deeper into the game, which is fair for everyone.
  Torvaldr

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3/08/13 10:56:46 AM#59
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Akumawraith

I find all this f2p crap lame.. its not trully f2p. I have yet to find an MMO that you can play for free that doesnt have a cash store that limits you on any of the following:

 

i agree EQ2 is a freemium game and not truely ftp

once you hit DOV content or Chains of Eternity: 

you are forced to pay for gear,  there is no treasured gear

but thats still 90 levels of content where gear wont matter much -- PreDOV expansion

And that 90 levels has significantly more content than all other MMORPGs released in the last 10 years.  And there are guilds that work through it.

The thing that most people dont seem to understand though, is the enormous effect that the gear restriction removal would have on SoE's EQ2 revenue.  It would absolutely cripple it. Because the vast majority of the games population that pays 12-15 a month would unsub.

I personally see no issue with not letting level 90+ people play for free.  (which they technically can with kronos anyway).  

Because all the people at that level cap have already paid a ton in expansions.  The EQ2 xpac are kind of spendy ($50 or so for the standard and $70 - $80 for deluxe digital version).  Purchasing those expansions should open up all the gear and drops for that expansion.  Charging for additional unlocks after the xpac has been paid for is a gouge.  It's why I didn't buy CoE.

Now if you don't buy the xpac and want to use the gear, then by all means, pay to have it unlocked.  The problem is that EQ2 often double-dips in this way.

Also I seriously doubt this is their main cash shop revenue stream.  They sell a ton of other stuff in the Station Store.

Their problem is they have removed all incentive I have for logging back into the game with my high level character.  Why would I log back into EQ2 when I can play Tera and GW and my other sub-free games without restriction.  There is nothing wrong, for me, in selling character slots, or even gold cap unlocks or storage unlocks.  There is no hard and fast rule as to what should be monetized and such, but locking core game features doesn't promote or encourage people to play.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Nadia

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3/08/13 11:19:38 AM#60
Originally posted by Torvaldr

The EQ2 xpac are kind of spendy ($50 or so for the standard and $70 - $80 for deluxe digital version).  Purchasing those expansions should open up all the gear and drops for that expansion.  Charging for additional unlocks after the xpac has been paid for is a gouge.  It's why I didn't buy CoE.

Now if you don't buy the xpac and want to use the gear, then by all means, pay to have it unlocked.  The problem is that EQ2 often double-dips in this way.

i hope in the future - SOE gives ftp players a reason to buy those expansions

at least make the quest gear wearable

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