Originally posted by Jacxolope

...When the server goes down "go play something else"?

How about- I bought a single player game and there should be no "server" to worry about. What if I wish to dust off this game in 5 years, will the "server be there"? How about we as consumers demand better treatment and demand that the products we pay for are availible to us so long as everything is fine ON OUR END? Why should my ability to play be contingent on problems on their end? This isnt an MMO.

-People like you are the problem. Keep throwing cash their way ...

And again, the FREE (i.e. Pirated) version doesnt have the same limitations as the "Purchased" version.

If I buy a single player game I expect to be able to virtually play the game forever. I still play games from the 1990s which I purchased on an old PC which is used for that purpouse.

-The old saying "you get whayt you pay for" is totally skewed if the free version works better than the , what $50- $60 dollar version.

EDIT: Also note this is a fantastic way to make your purchases void when Simcity 6 comes out... All your DRM enabled DLC will just NOT WORK when they pull the server and force you to purchase SimCity 6 and all the DLC ALL OVER AGAIN.

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Very well spoken... I have bought the game eventually (the CE I ordered was indeed available, so WTH I thought), and right now there are no problems. BUT... As soon as problems keep coming back the coming month, I'll download that hack and install that one. Same for when EA will pull the plug of the servers to sell me SC6. No way I'm gonna buy an other EA title that uses this kind of DRM. When SC6 comes out, I'll get the SC5 hack and install that one to keep playing the SINGLE PLAYER GAME I bought. And about SC6..? Perhaps download a pirated copy or just ditch this good IP all together...

Originally posted by Panther2103

Originally posted by Jacxolope

Originally posted by Panther2103
I bought Sim City. Because it looked good when I watched videos and honestly I have had no issues getting into the servers except a hiccup for maybe 20 minutes when I first installed it? I have been playing the past 5 hours successfully, and been having a blast with it. I hate this blind EA hate, or the DRM elitists. You have internet, it works, play the game. When the servers go down do something else. You aren't going to be playing it 24/7, and you probably have 50 other games to play. I hate how out of proportion all of this gets blown each time a new game releases with this DRM. Pirate it if you hate it, complaining on forums doesn't help any situation. Also people saying EA is going to charge for each and every thing, yes they will, but the base games usually have plenty of content. People saying the DRM or always online is the reason Diablo 3 had such a backlash it isn't. The reason diablo 3 had a backlash is because people were expecting another Diablo 2 from completely different people working on it, sure the vocal minority on forums was complaining about the always on DRM like always, but almost every friend I had that bought the game stopped playing it sheerly out of boredom, I don't think I knew anyone leaving because of the DRM. It hasn't changed over the years for The Sims like someone else mentioned, yes they charge for cosmetic crap, yes they charge for expansions. But they have since the first Sims game. I remember having like 5 different expansions for it, and they hardly did anything (adding pets? Woo hoo). 

...When the server goes down "go play something else"?

How about- I bought a single player game and there should be no "server" to worry about. What if I wish to dust off this game in 5 years, will the "server be there"? How about we as consumers demand better treatment and demand that the products we pay for are availible to us so long as everything is fine ON OUR END? Why should my ability to play be contingent on problems on their end? This isnt an MMO.

-People like you are the problem. Keep throwing cash there way ...

And again, the FREE (i.e. Pirated) version doesnt have the same limitations as the "Purchased" version.

If I buy a single player game I expect to be able to virtually play the game forever. I still play games from the 1990s which I purchased on an old PC which is used for that purpouse.

-The old saying "you get whayt you pay for" is totally skewed if the free version works better than the , what $50- $60 dollar version.

I'm throwing cash their way because I wanted the product. I didn't care about the online only DRM and I am enjoying the game, so how is it a problem for me? It isn't. 

If you bought a game in the 90's and wanted to play it again and it didn't work on your new pc and you had to jump through a bunch of hoops to get it running then wouldn't that be the same situation? I mean sure you may eventually get it working but how well? So you have to hold on to an old computer to play it. 

Honestly I don't care, I have no reason to hate online DRM, I have no reason to like it. I just have an internet connection and patience so I think that everything is blown out of proportion. You are entitled to an opinion as am I. The industry is changing, and there will be no way to prevent online only DRM. Even consoles are moving towards that now, which I thought would never happen. But there will always be companies to support that will release DRM free games, which I will support as well. I just don't feel like limiting everything I purchase because of an issue I have no problems with.

No...It isnt the same situation. At all.

I can run Dosbbox if I didnt have a win 98 machine. problem solved.

-Always on DRM is a scam. It does not defeat Piracy and only opunishes the people legitimatley supporting EA. It makes your purchase null and void whenever they pull the server- It takes the control from YOUR hand.

-But okay...Glad you are happy. 

I love sim cissty series. When I saw that you'd have to buy a sigle player game but must be online to play, I immediatly thought about D3 launch (worst I have experience in last years).

Also considering it's EA at the wheel, like many said, a company run by business men not game designers and game enthusiasts, I think I will stay back and watch all the drama and cries of players that are susceptible to mob mentality and no matter how much others try to point out the obvious stuff they will defend their broken game to death!

If you think that players cannot change EA's attitude you are mistaking. Look at SWTOR, the game was a success for EA just by being a Star Wars series and most of the players were let down but so many things. They started to point our the bad things and when they saw BW (or EA, they are the same at the end of the day) wont do anything they canceled the subscriptions and moved one; a few months later F2P came to SWTOR (not the greatest in the world, but still it is better than nothing).

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Originally posted by Psychow

Originally posted by Killsmallchi

Originally posted by Kumapon

I'm sure people will quickly call me out if I'm wrong, but I don't recall the fallout from Diablo 3 being this bad. Don't get me wrong, people were enraged and gaming sites ran articles about the failures .... but the backlash this time is pretty epic. And some sadistic part of myself is rejoicing this failure because it has a chance to right future wrongs involving DRM and yet the other part of me is weeping in the fetal position at the sight of a series I love so much failing on such an epic level.

D3 was worse than this, it just faded with time and so will this. We have to accept that if we support corrupt companies, this happens. It is our faults as ignorant consumers.

Everyone that bought Sim City 5 will lose their money, cry about it, and get nothing back for their efforts. Got to love the gaming industry. I blame WoW for making players be so easily cowed into stuff. We need to stop being sheep.

 

WoW caused cancer and aids too. It causes hunger in 3rd world countries and is the number one cause of gingivitis.

Wait, I thought WoW caused AIDS, and Diablo 3 caused cancer? At least, that's what the folks on this forum have always said. I'm confused...

So what is Simcity going to cause? Spousal abuse? Inbreeding? Uneven tire wear?

Originally posted by Rednecksith

Originally posted by Psychow

Originally posted by Killsmallchi

Originally posted by Kumapon

I'm sure people will quickly call me out if I'm wrong, but I don't recall the fallout from Diablo 3 being this bad. Don't get me wrong, people were enraged and gaming sites ran articles about the failures .... but the backlash this time is pretty epic. And some sadistic part of myself is rejoicing this failure because it has a chance to right future wrongs involving DRM and yet the other part of me is weeping in the fetal position at the sight of a series I love so much failing on such an epic level.

D3 was worse than this, it just faded with time and so will this. We have to accept that if we support corrupt companies, this happens. It is our faults as ignorant consumers.

Everyone that bought Sim City 5 will lose their money, cry about it, and get nothing back for their efforts. Got to love the gaming industry. I blame WoW for making players be so easily cowed into stuff. We need to stop being sheep.

 

WoW caused cancer and aids too. It causes hunger in 3rd world countries and is the number one cause of gingivitis.

Wait, I thought WoW caused AIDS, and Diablo 3 caused cancer? At least, that's what the folks on this forum have always said. I'm confused...

So what is Simcity going to cause? Spousal abuse? Inbreeding? Uneven tire wear?

I am sure you heard about thayt new "superbug" bacterial infection. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/05/superbugs-infections-hospitals/1965133/

-That is Simcity 5's fault.

EDIT: Even look at the timing- Untreatable Superbug with 50% kill rate comes out on launch day? Coincidence??? I think not. =P

lolz, here we go again.....all you do is bitch about it on the forums.......but the sales numbers still say you bought the game you dont like.

The same with people saying they dont use cellphones in their car or never drive too fast.....no one does it but still the numbers say otherwise.

Dont lie, act !

Originally posted by oubers

lolz, here we go again.....all you do is bitch about it on the forums.......but the sales numbers still say you bought the game you dont like.

The same with people saying they dont use cellphones in their car or never drive too fast.....no one does it but still the numbers say otherwise.

Dont lie, act !

 

-And you Sir, hit the nail on the head.

How many times is this going to happen until people STOP FEEDING THEM MONEY? Its the ONLY way any of this changes.

But we both know this will not happen...people see a shiney and run after it gforgetting about the last "shiney" which was dangled in front of them a Month ago. And the Circle of life and all that jazz... =/

Originally posted by oubers

lolz, here we go again.....all you do is bitch about it on the forums.......but the sales numbers still say you bought the game you dont like.

The same with people saying they dont use cellphones in their car or never drive too fast.....no one does it but still the numbers say otherwise.

Dont lie, act !

 

That would require people to think and for some, that stresses the one living brain cell past the breaking point.  They can't afford to lose that brain cell or they will be talking chimpanzees.

D3 wasn't as bad mostly because I expected reliance on the online service because I planned to predominantly play online.

With SimCity I predominantly want to play offline.

Steam sets the bar for DRM.  If I can't play singleplayer with minimal online connectivity (a single verification; and even though my internet virtually never cuts out, it should have offline tolerance,) then you have a really crappy system.

Originally posted by oubers

lolz, here we go again.....all you do is bitch about it on the forums.......but the sales numbers still say you bought the game you dont like.

The same with people saying they dont use cellphones in their car or never drive too fast.....no one does it but still the numbers say otherwise.

Dont lie, act !

But but but, aren't we supposed to be hysterical and running around in circles waving our arms?

Hicks, I am absolutely certain, was a gamer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTifdoKXoxM

Everyone knew this version was gonna be online protected *before purchase*. So, you know what I did with that knowledge, and with the knowledge I had about map size and EA's attitude to monetization in general?

I didn't buy the game.

Yay, go me. I am a consumer freedom fighter.

Originally posted by Vesavius

Yay, go me. I am a consumer freedom fighter.

Let's set you up with a "Rebel For The Cause" t-shirt, right away.

(What should we put on the back? "Fight the MAN"?)

Im still playing D3, just like a lot of other ppl. The community is huge and still growing, just like the game gets better with each patch. But the best part about it is that Blizzard paid me ~400€ to play it.^^

And since nobody ever played online in D2...yeah its definitely just like Sim City and Blizz is just like EA. Good comparison mate.^^

A chargeback is a last resort measure. You should ask for a refund first before doing a chargeback.

And how EXACTLY is Blizzard greedy? I agree with your statements about Activision and EA but Blizzard? How exactly? Describe!

Blizzard support their games for YEARS and they are usually the best value for money you can find. Do you know how much I paid for SC2? 35 pounds. Do you know how many hours have I played the game? Over a thousand! And Blizzard keep patching the game after 3 years and haven't charged a single cent!

Lets look at Diablo 3. 30 pounds for the game and I have about 500-600 hours. Great value if you ask me. And they have released 7 patches, 3-4 of them content patches in less than a year! And they didn't charge me a single cent for that!

WoW - I have played that game for a billion hours. I really have no idea how much time I spent on that game. True they were charging a sub but it was still great value for money.

Warcraft 3 I havae played it for over 1.5k hours and they have only charged me for the original game and 1 expac like 10 years ago! And they still release some patches!

SAme for Diablo 2, Starcraft 1.

I FAIL to see how exactly this is greed. Blizzard don't charge for DLCs, their games are always great value for money and Blizzard NEVER lie about what's happening with the game pre-launch. They are always up-front.

I fully support DRM and I want every single LAN function to be removed from future PC games. Piracy is too popular for PC games and providing the ability to play in LAN makes it easier to pirate a game and play it with a buddy.

I don't think there is a way to play Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 with your friends in Multiplayer with a pirated copy? So how is that about DRM?

Originally posted by Reizla

Kinda harsh words you put there OP... Yeah, it's expected for an ONLINE game to have outages of their servers on release day. Just looking at last year which (major) MMORPGs were released and how long the waiting queues were to get in (GW2, SWTOR to name 2) was redeculous indeed. But what happened to Diablo 3 and SimCity now is just outragious. Both games are SINGLE PLAYER games to the core and only because the publisher is afraid of piracy they add a harsh DRM like this.

Diablo 3 is not a singleplayer game to the core. This is your opinion. For me Diablo 2 and 3 are multiplayer ARPGs to the core! That's why Torchlight series failed for me so badly. Torchlight didn't even have multiplayer which was /facepalm. Then Torchlight 2 didn't have closed servers. Yeaaaah that's fun. For like 3-4 days till you beat the game and you uninstall!

I find it amusing that MMO players are QQing so much over online only games. I mean it's not like you are not playing games (MMOs) which require you to be online all the time? What's the big deal if another multiplayer games has the same requirement?

Originally posted by Killsmallchi

Originally posted by Kumapon

I'm sure people will quickly call me out if I'm wrong, but I don't recall the fallout from Diablo 3 being this bad. Don't get me wrong, people were enraged and gaming sites ran articles about the failures .... but the backlash this time is pretty epic. And some sadistic part of myself is rejoicing this failure because it has a chance to right future wrongs involving DRM and yet the other part of me is weeping in the fetal position at the sight of a series I love so much failing on such an epic level.

D3 was worse than this, it just faded with time and so will this. We have to accept that if we support corrupt companies, this happens. It is our faults as ignorant consumers.

Everyone that bought Sim City 5 will lose their money, cry about it, and get nothing back for their efforts. Got to love the gaming industry. I blame WoW for making players be so easily cowed into stuff. We need to stop being sheep.

DRM in its current form is the dumbest thing in quite a while, but it certainly does not make any company implementing it "currupt" lol.

Don't forget, it was a response to the RAMPANT piracy going on in the PC gaming world.  Remember when Crysis 1 came out? Gamespy had 8 times more players logged playing it than what was actually sold in stores....what would you do if you were a developer releasing a PC game that was heavily stolen?

It goes both ways, if you want to advocate "stop buying games with DRM"...then I advocate to stop pirateing games, and companies won't feel obligated to add in DRM in the first place...

Nice hate post.

Saying that companies are greedy and that they are lead by business men, not game developers,etc will make people with even a little knowledge of economics / business or even people with common sense laugh (at you, not with you).

You may have some chance with the "They took his jooob" crowd as these people tend to be driven by passion rather than reason and will probably follow you on your misguided way.

Despite the fact that I do agree that consumers who are uneducated and buy some product which they are not satisfied with afterwards do not deserve any kind of refund considering that the information about the product were available before the purchase, I still despise you for the way you interpret your thoughts and for the simplicity and uneducatedness of the rest of your "message".

Originally posted by LIOKI
I wonder how that board meeting went. You suppose they sat in the boardroom and brainstormed ways to sabotage the very product that pays their wages? Maybe shareholders in EA are made up mostly of 4chan members and this is a epic troll. I just can't wrap my head around how everyone thinks this was intentional.

One can argue that they are losing as much money on DRM as they would have through piracy if DRM was not implemented...