Originally posted by smokefin
So you think 26 days of afking in real life is good punishment for killing 30 players?

Actually, no.  It should have been worse... ^^ (Fluffs CareBEAR fur)... ^^  As the old song goes, "Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQeVIJ8e_z8

FFA PvP is bad enough as it is. FFA PvP without consequences would be even worse.  But I'd be surprised if the Goonie types don't come up with some way to loop hole this system.

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by angelknight4

Originally posted by austriacus

 

Dont compare first day with two weeks please. With two weeks you are already flows with chi.

The secret is to Join a guild and go with a pack, tell them to teach you the places that defenders dont check.

Ill give a freebie for the people here. When you go steal beggars what till someone steals on the roof  and then do it yourself. Dont jump on the ground, jump to the next building and again to the place near the respawn spot, after that ride your horse and go to the east exit by climbing on the mountain or using the carriage. I get 4-5 books like this every time and i got tricks for every school.

Seems you dont know how to steal thats all. Been doing this since i was one with nature and maybe got killed like 6 times since then.

It seems you are a liar and it shows. 4-5 books? I with "Reach the limit" and ride the fastest horse in game only get like 3 books most of the time. You somehow get 4-5 books and have no problem with people camping around.

If you want to lie, try harder. What you also talk is from experience of doing lots of book script, but you forgot to factor in whether you will get pull off your horse or PK on the way.

Everyday, I read school chat with people who are even spiritually balance and they get like 1 book most of the time or 2 if they get really lucky without PK/Gank on the way.

Also, tell me about 1.5D a day from book steal? You have to get lucky to even get the good book to even sell and 1.5 Ding a day? Don't tell me you are those people who use macros and just have character botting to pick same materials all day.

Again, YOU ARE A LIAR. Yes I said that. Don't try to pull a fast one on me since I play this game since CBT2 start and help lots of people in my school.

For those that they don't believe me, create an account, get into the school and ask people who start the game in the last 3 weeks yourself. See how they would tell you so much differently than the liar here who managed to make 1.5 Ding a day. Remind me of that author who wrote "Age of Wushu, Paying doesn't mean winning" except he is on top of the pyramid and clueless about most of the thing he said like making 1-2 Ding a day or wrong information kidnap.

4-5 books is pretty amazing. There are slick ways of doing it though, like breaking meridians (suicide) and using the free school port. The tops I can get is 3 script cases, sometimes I get 2 script from 1 of them. Yeah most the time they aren't much, but once or twice a week I pull ones that go from 1-5D.

 

1.5D a day from stealing scripts is tough, unless your one of those script traders. "I'll give you X for A, B, C." type of player. Now a Ding a day is nothing to a lot of people just on crafting alone. 

 

As far as the "pyramid, it's the guys at the bottem that make it go. The guys that mine or, farm crops, farm silk, enchanting materials, XP pills. The people at the "top" selling weapons for 1.5D probably have 900L-1D into the wepon they crafted. On a two week old toon, I know I could make 400L a day, not counting scripts. 

You seem to fail to to understand what I said. In order to get 4-5 books, you have to be fast and run in and out without even anyone attack you.

I myself have Scholar inner level 30 + Hell Wind, yet most of the time I can only get 3 books. Yes, you can suicide, tele back to your school 2 times, but the problem is to get out of the map. You are talking like someone who have no problem with getting out of the map, despite being "Flow With the Chi" and most people could kill you with couple hits.

In order to craft, you need recipes and then at Gold/Jade equipment, you need workshop which cost 5D+ alone. A 2 week week old players would never be able to do that.

You can farm all that, but it is impossible to make 1.5D per day. I talk in school chat all the time with people who played more than 2 weeks and keep saying "How can you make money? I barely have 200L now".

Again, you are a LIAR. On a 2 week old toons, you have vigor limit and barely can get all those materials. Don't try to pretend to be a new player and don't try to pretend like you are playing on a 2 weeks old toons. You are just like me, those who play for over 3 months on top of the pyramid. Your post is showing that you have forgotten what 2 weeks old toons feel like.

well 4-5 is possible at defending, other way not much  teleport>suicide>teleport after that both are on cool down

well 2 months 2h a day is possible without problem with current cap, team training to use 100% for non vip will be like 17 min which will give 10h lvling time +bound silver lvling 

Originally posted by AresPL

well 4-5 is possible at defending, other way not much  teleport>suicide>teleport after that both are on cool down

 

well 2 months 2h a day is possible without problem with current cap, team training to use 100% for non vip will be like 17 min which will give 10h lvling time +bound silver lvling 

I walk with my guildies so when i get out of the map, which i always do cause i always got someone on my back, they kill me in the next map. Its easy, some people just forget they can steal books with friends, it makes it a lot faster and safer clearly the guy calling me a liar has been so confident in his reach the limit status that he has forgotten this is an mmo. If hes getting pulled, killed or ganked its because he was alone or run into a mob.

Originally posted by AresPL

well 4-5 is possible at defending, other way not much  teleport>suicide>teleport after that both are on cool down

 

well 2 months 2h a day is possible without problem with current cap, team training to use 100% for non vip will be like 17 min which will give 10h lvling time +bound silver lvling 

 Yes, book steal is 3 at best before school run out of script. Even if you defend, you must be next to libarry to even get more than 3.

The problem with 2 months and 2 hours per day is for VIP player only. Free player will get cultivation at much slower rate and XP gone down much faster as free player.

Let's do basic math.

VIP:

240k from 24 hours + 100k TP + 60k bounded silver, that is 400k convert per day.

Free player:

20k from 2 hours + 100k TP + 60k bounded silver, that is only 180k convert per day.

The result is VIP player will level more than 50% faster than free player. Even if free player log in 24/7, there won't be enough cultivation for TP or Martial Practice, that is still only 60%.

Even though VIP said they get 30% more, but due to XP of free player goes down much faster rate as hidden VIP feature, so it is actually more than 30%.

Now, if VIP player with Meredian system take like 6 months to 1 year to max, then free player will take 1 year to 2 years to max.

Enjoy waiting for 6 months to 1 year later to catch up to VIP? And we are not even talking about CashShop players.

Originally posted by austriacus

Originally posted by AresPL

well 4-5 is possible at defending, other way not much  teleport>suicide>teleport after that both are on cool down

 

well 2 months 2h a day is possible without problem with current cap, team training to use 100% for non vip will be like 17 min which will give 10h lvling time +bound silver lvling 

I walk with my guildies so when i get out of the map, which i always do cause i always got someone on my back, they kill me in the next map. Its easy, some people just forget they can steal books with friends, it makes it a lot faster and safer clearly the guy calling me a liar has been so confident in his reach the limit status that he has forgotten this is an mmo. If hes getting pulled, killed or ganked its because he was alone or run into a mob.

I call you a liar because it is the fact that you can't steal that much book or make 1.5D per day like you said if you start the game 2 weeks ago.

You can walk with your buddy, the problem is again when you take the quest, you and your buddy will spawn at different location. Thus you both have to come there to the same location to steal book and leave together. Then you have to get out of the map without getting either one of you PK and then have someone out there to kill you.

Clearly you haven't thought of everything when you try to write what you just said above. Not to mention most school run out of book in 10 mins due to people using alt to make it easier to kill for books. Thus even the fastest runner will only get like 3 books before you can't even take the quest anymore.

Even though VIP said they get 30% more, but due to XP of free player goes down much faster rate as hidden VIP feature, so it is actually more than 30%.

what do You mean by hidden feature?

VIP get 380 non vip 266

Originally posted by smokefin
So you think 26 days of afking in real life is good punishment for killing 30 players?

The jail time is fine, the problem is that you have nothing to do in there. There should be some fun activities for you to while doing your jail time. Anyway, 26 days is like... too much.

Originally posted by angelknight4

Originally posted by austriacus

Originally posted by AresPL

well 4-5 is possible at defending, other way not much  teleport>suicide>teleport after that both are on cool down

 

well 2 months 2h a day is possible without problem with current cap, team training to use 100% for non vip will be like 17 min which will give 10h lvling time +bound silver lvling 

I walk with my guildies so when i get out of the map, which i always do cause i always got someone on my back, they kill me in the next map. Its easy, some people just forget they can steal books with friends, it makes it a lot faster and safer clearly the guy calling me a liar has been so confident in his reach the limit status that he has forgotten this is an mmo. If hes getting pulled, killed or ganked its because he was alone or run into a mob.

I call you a liar because it is the fact that you can't steal that much book or make 1.5D per day like you said if you start the game 2 weeks ago.

You can walk with your buddy, the problem is again when you take the quest, you and your buddy will spawn at different location. Thus you both have to come there to the same location to steal book and leave together. Then you have to get out of the map without getting either one of you PK and then have someone out there to kill you.

Clearly you haven't thought of everything when you try to write what you just said above. Not to mention most school run out of book in 10 mins due to people using alt to make it easier to kill for books. Thus even the fastest runner will only get like 3 books before you can't even take the quest anymore.

I dont have 1 buddy, im talking in plural, also i said selling mats AND book stealing so ima help you a little bit because you seem to be pretty bad at the game  even though you re max level so ima use primary school math to make it clear to you ok?

Ill use 1 crafting material and the most simple gathering method. Hunting. Go to scholars, find monkeys, make sure you are rank 4 of it to make sure you are always effective. Gathering skins costs 1 of vigor and by flows of chi you have around 300 or so. With book you get an average of 6 or so per monkey. Lets do the math shall we? at 300 wen a pop(thats at what i used to sell them) that makes 540 silver liang a day. Now at scripting lets assume worst case scenario ok? 3 books which you can sell for 40 liang each that makes another 120 liang. There you already have 660 liang. Kidnap every hour for the 15or so hours you are awake and you got another 150 liang(10 liang on average). That makes 780 liang.  All of this while having an alt who gahters and steals too.

There you have a worst case scenario in script stealing of 1.5D a day with 2 accounts. If you didnt have two accounts then dont fricking blame me.

Originally posted by AresPL

Even though VIP said they get 30% more, but due to XP of free player goes down much faster rate as hidden VIP feature, so it is actually more than 30%.

 

what do You mean by hidden feature?

VIP get 380 non vip 266

Have you ever afk as free player?

Because all your XP gone down as much faster rate. especially lv 1 XP.

Free player get 266, that is true. However if you afk for like 1 hour, lv 1 XP will be 0, then you are actually only get 231 instead of 266 the rest of the time until you start to play your character again.

Thus VIP is not getting 30% more, they are actually getting more than 30% compared to free player..

@austriacus

Plural in buddies now? And you all wait for them to steal script and get 4-5 script despite waiting around?

LOL, now you are not even trying. And 40L for bad script? LOL I sold them for 10L and it took a while for someone to even buy them. Try harder.

I can tell that you are a GOONS, that is the only explaination for everything you said so far.

Originally posted by angelknight4

Originally posted by AresPL

Even though VIP said they get 30% more, but due to XP of free player goes down much faster rate as hidden VIP feature, so it is actually more than 30%.

 

what do You mean by hidden feature?

VIP get 380 non vip 266

Have you ever afk as free player?

Because all your XP gone down as much faster rate. especially lv 1 XP.

Free player get 266, that is true. However if you afk for like 1 hour, lv 1 XP will be 0, then you are actually only get 231 instead of 266 the rest of the time until you start to play your character again.

Thus VIP is not getting 30% more, they are actually getting more than 30% compared to free player..

 

@austriacus

Plural in buddies now? And you all wait for them to steal script and get 4-5 script despite waiting around?

LOL, now you are not even trying. And 40L for bad script? LOL I sold them for 10L and it took a while for someone to even buy them. Try harder.

I can tell that you are a GOONS, that is the only explaination for everything you said so far.

I'm going to vouch for AresPL as one of the few true experts of this game on these forums.  The fact that you attack him on the basis of well...anything, is hilarious.  Yeah, his English is a bit broken but surely someone as smart as yourself can get the general gist of what he's saying.

The XP rate going down is just utterly and completely wrong.  You lost 1 exp per 1,000 converted points into cultivation.  It doesn't go down faster.  What happens is that you lose about 30% of those converted points into your potential pool.  So yeah, more wrong information from someone who knows very little about the game.

Do continue - the beating has just begun.

I wouldnt call it hidden, its true that it drop, for VIPs will drop also but lil later

same goes with earning exp, VIP have to do less to get 380 compared to non VIP for 266 yet me and friends never had problem with exp, we throw out exp pills from escorts as they arent usefull for us at all

Originally posted by Alamareth

Originally posted by angelknight4

Originally posted by AresPL

Even though VIP said they get 30% more, but due to XP of free player goes down much faster rate as hidden VIP feature, so it is actually more than 30%.

 

what do You mean by hidden feature?

VIP get 380 non vip 266

Have you ever afk as free player?

Because all your XP gone down as much faster rate. especially lv 1 XP.

Free player get 266, that is true. However if you afk for like 1 hour, lv 1 XP will be 0, then you are actually only get 231 instead of 266 the rest of the time until you start to play your character again.

Thus VIP is not getting 30% more, they are actually getting more than 30% compared to free player..

 

@austriacus

Plural in buddies now? And you all wait for them to steal script and get 4-5 script despite waiting around?

LOL, now you are not even trying. And 40L for bad script? LOL I sold them for 10L and it took a while for someone to even buy them. Try harder.

I can tell that you are a GOONS, that is the only explaination for everything you said so far.

I'm going to vouch for AresPL as one of the few true experts of this game on these forums.  The fact that you attack him on the basis of well...anything, is hilarious.  Yeah, his English is a bit broken but surely someone as smart as yourself can get the general gist of what he's saying.

The XP rate going down is just utterly and completely wrong.  You lost 1 exp per 1,000 converted points into cultivation.  It doesn't go down faster.  What happens is that you lose about 30% of those converted points into your potential pool.  So yeah, more wrong information from someone who knows very little about the game.

Do continue - the beating has just begun.

Again, have you played as free player? Because that is what I want to ask first and you guys didn't show it.

I AFK as VIP for 2 weeks in base, my xp never gone down below 380 in all those time. NEVER happen.

However, as free player for the past 2 weeks, everytime I AFK, I get 1 hour of 266, then 1 hour later I get 231 each tick. That is a fact.

He maybe true expert, but like many others, he didn't play it as free player. And what I post is from my own experience.

Originally posted by alakram

Originally posted by smokefin
So you think 26 days of afking in real life is good punishment for killing 30 players?

The jail time is fine, the problem is that you have nothing to do in there. There should be some fun activities for you to while doing your jail time. Anyway, 26 days is like... too much.

72 hours does not equal 26 days.

Originally posted by AresPL

I wouldnt call it hidden, its true that it drop, for VIPs will drop also but lil later

same goes with earning exp, VIP have to do less to get 380 compared to non VIP for 266 yet me and friends never had problem with exp, we throw out exp pills from escorts as they arent usefull for us at all

Yes, VIP can go below 380, but the rate is much slower because the conversion speed for lv1 to lv5 XP is higher. The problem with free player is the conversion speed is lower than VIP, so a small change will make free player get 231 instead of 266 XP.

The pills from escort and Guild War is for lv 5 XP. My XP at lv 2 to lv 5 is always high with 999/999 total most of the time. The problem again is lv1 XP going to 0 most of the time, thus I get less than 266 all the time.

Again, I AFK for 2 weeks as VIP player to accumulate almost 2 millions cultivation point, then 2 week after free player, my cultivation poitn is now 1.5 million less and my culvation per tick is 231 most of the time.

If that is not hidden VIP feature, I dont' know what is. Just like Kidnap, only get 1-3L max as free player.

Originally posted by AtliJorund
I think he meant 26 days in game time, which equates to 72 hours real time?

For some ppl, they only have like 2-4 hours per day to log in each day to play game. They don't have dedicate PC to log in and AFK all the time. Maybe share PC with family household and such.

Thus a 72 hours ingame punishment that require you to log in 72 hours and AFK maybe out of reach for them.

That's what it means.

Originally posted by mindw0rk
PvP is fine, you just need learn to play

Problem is Jail time can be exploit. Ask Empress-Wu, he puts lots of people in jail already. And I know lots of people who use jail system to eliminate competition before Guild War or just simply make others miss Script Steal event.

Originally posted by angelknight4

Originally posted by mindw0rk
PvP is fine, you just need learn to play

Problem is Jail time can be exploit. Ask Empress-Wu, he puts lots of people in jail already. And I know lots of people who use jail system to eliminate competition before Guild War or just simply make others miss Script Steal event.

Yeah, the system does need a lil tweeking. They errored on the punishment side though.