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  Talonsin

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3/05/13 5:30:13 PM#21
Originally posted by SBFord  

On a personal side note: As for those refusing to buy Heart of the Swarm, that's just 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' and rather childish. To miss out on a potentially great game because knickers got twisted over another game's fetaures is just...goofy. :P

I disagree on that point Susie.  Many gamers already purchased D3 so there is no way to voice their dissatifaction to Blizzard in a way that will make Blizzard take notice.  A bit of whining on the gaming forums really had no impact on Blizzards wallet, they already made their money from D3.  On the other hand, players now have a way to voice concerns to Blizzard with the way they have been handling their games lately.  I think staging a 2 week delay before buying HotS after release would be a perfect message to send to Blizzard that players are watching and any more crap like D3 will hurt future sales.

 

On a side note, I purchased both D3 and SC2 and was not thrilled with either of them. I dont hate Blizzard and I'm not mad at them but I wont be purchasing HotS since it just isnt my cup of tea.  Not because I am sending a message of any kind.

  User Deleted
3/05/13 6:01:30 PM#22

What this is probably really about is getting the game in better shape for the console release. So far D3 sold 12 million copies to PC gamers, probably a very high percentage of which were already Blizzard fans because of past games. On the console, however, the fan base is not as assuredly stacked with Blizzard fans and D3 will have to compete with other console games on its own merits. 

 

I think that's why all these seemingly more sensible changes are now being discussed.

  Vidir

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3/05/13 6:18:48 PM#23

Well what ever enybody feels about this game, it is a game that I like asnd the reason why i like it is becouse you allways have the change to find this uber item.

Many years ago I started playing Asherons Call, for me it was something very different from all other games I ever played.But eventually I began to understand the game and the reward for killing mobs. In that game item roll on killing mobs depended on induvidiall roll every time notthing to do with how many beople in the group that killed it nor the name of the mob. Only thing high level named mobs gave was more loot.

I am not comparing D3 with AC but the loot system is similar, you dont find the sword with the name Grand doughter or something and it allways has the same stats, In both AC and D3 items roll with individual stats every time and that I think is cool.

Wish more games had this kind of loot system, bet more people would like to join the games , those games that have some content also.

  sibs4455

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3/05/13 6:30:38 PM#24

I agree with the posters that state that this update is to late, gamers have moved on. I will get my arpg fix with hc PoE, which in my opinion is a far better game than D3.

 

Do Blizzard actually make decent games now anyway? the last couple of games they have released have been really poor.

  Asamof

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3/05/13 6:44:49 PM#25
Originally posted by vgamer
Originally posted by SBFord
Originally posted by fivoroth

Some of these potential changes sound interesting. Some of the things I really like:

- Crafting being able to modify existing items

- Legendary items being more powerful and finding ilvl 63 versions of all uniques and sets sound cool

- Fewer number of rare items but more powerful

- Identify all button!

 

I completely agree! :)

 

On a personal side note: As for those refusing to buy Heart of the Swarm, that's just 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' and rather childish. To miss out on a potentially great game because knickers got twisted over another game's fetaures is just...goofy. :P

Risking a ban here...

 

I think people who won't buy HotS because of the marvelous masterpiece called diablo 3 would actually be a mature thing to do. Why would you support companies that spit in the face of long time fans for a quick cash grab? Why would you go for a short term temptation only to get your hopes crushed when HotS fails to live up to the expectation? I mean, you guys get your games for free so you can review them.

 

We however have to pay hardearned dollars. So is it that childish to demand value for money and boycot if it turns out to be a cashgrab

it is because you're basing the merits of one game off of another game that's handled by a completely different development team

not to say that blizzards overall game design phillosophy isn't starting to really stink lately, but wait until HotS releases and judge it for yourself

also LOL at gameboycotting. really put a dent into MW2 right? or the fact that D3 still sold millions of more copies after the EXTREMELY negative reception on release

  StonesDK

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3/05/13 6:50:14 PM#26

More talk

 

I don't know about any of you but I'm tired of Blizz talk. I've heard it throughout the whole development of Diablo 3 how hacking and duping won't be a problem compared to D2 which used ancient tech to how wonderful the new classes would be, to the constant revamping of tier systems etc. etc. etc.

 

In 5 to 10 years this might actually be a good game?

  HcRpger

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3/05/13 7:17:08 PM#27

I do agree, it is too little too late.

I haven't played D3 for months now, I gave it a decent shot, 3 months(ish), but that was it.

Trying to fix it now, well, it just doesn't work anymore, plus, items (and the abysmal drop rates) weren't even the only problems or dodgy design decisions in the game.

If they haven't, which I don't think they have (or never will), changed the skills system for example,  fixing the items, isn't going to do much good, because I for one, absolutely hated it and did hate, even before the game launched.

Nah, I might go back to D3 in about few years, but for now, no chance.

 

What comes to people saying about SC2 and HotS, I definitely won't be buying that one.

D3 was crap and massive disappointment, and so was SC2, so I'm most certainly not going to waste anymore money with these two franchises, nor Blizzard in general.

SC2 was linear run-in-the-tube with no replay value. Having just one playable race was utter rubbish as well, and I certainly won't buy a new game to get another race.

  Drigus

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3/05/13 7:44:44 PM#28
I'd go back if they created a new ladder. It would be kinda cool with a total wipe. 
  Rednecksith

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Bite my fiery metal ass!

3/05/13 7:48:21 PM#29

D3 was a good game (not great) at release, and I'm glad to see that they're continuing to take it in the right direction. It's pretty much my go-to ARPG at this point. PoE's combat is just too clunky & unbalanced in favor of ranged classes to enjoy, and Torchlight 2 was just one giant copypasta of Torchlight 1.

To people who won't be buying HotS, it's your loss. For those who don't have incredibly unrealistic expectations, they still make good / great games.

 
  nycplayboy78

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If you couldn't tell from my avatar picture...I love cats!!!

3/05/13 8:34:56 PM#30
Originally posted by vgamer
Originally posted by SBFord
Originally posted by fivoroth

Some of these potential changes sound interesting. Some of the things I really like:

- Crafting being able to modify existing items

- Legendary items being more powerful and finding ilvl 63 versions of all uniques and sets sound cool

- Fewer number of rare items but more powerful

- Identify all button!

 

I completely agree! :)

 

On a personal side note: As for those refusing to buy Heart of the Swarm, that's just 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' and rather childish. To miss out on a potentially great game because knickers got twisted over another game's fetaures is just...goofy. :P

Risking a ban here...

 

I think people who won't buy HotS because of the marvelous masterpiece called diablo 3 would actually be a mature thing to do. Why would you support companies that spit in the face of long time fans for a quick cash grab? Why would you go for a short term temptation only to get your hopes crushed when HotS fails to live up to the expectation? I mean, you guys get your games for free so you can review them.

 

We however have to pay hardearned dollars. So is it that childish to demand value for money and boycot if it turns out to be a cashgrab

AMEN!!!! I agree 150% I WON'T spend my hard earned money giving it to a game company that cash grabbed one of my most favorite games ever!!! Sorry its my money and I will with it what I want to......That's Life!!!!!

  JCBN

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3/05/13 10:18:56 PM#31

As the biggest D3 fanboy (once) in the world... i am saddened by the fact they STILL dont get it.

 

"We've also discussed allowing bosses the first time you kill them in each difficulty to have a guaranteed chance to drop a Legendary."

 

Really.... wow... nice... NOT.

Bring back the droprate from Diablo 1 & Diablo 2. And remove the Auction House.

I still prefer playing Diablo 1, to Diablo 3. Heck i can do Lazza runs and get some Uniques... which is the fun stuff in Diablo games. I dont enjoy farming for many hours, and not finding any uniques. Sorry.

 
  Hrimnir

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3/05/13 11:51:50 PM#32
Originally posted by SBFord
Originally posted by fivoroth

Some of these potential changes sound interesting. Some of the things I really like:

- Crafting being able to modify existing items

- Legendary items being more powerful and finding ilvl 63 versions of all uniques and sets sound cool

- Fewer number of rare items but more powerful

- Identify all button!

 

I completely agree! :)

 

On a personal side note: As for those refusing to buy Heart of the Swarm, that's just 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' and rather childish. To miss out on a potentially great game because knickers got twisted over another game's fetaures is just...goofy. :P

No its not.  Thats like saying that not enjoying a good vacation with your husband who beat you 3 times last week is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Actions speak loud and clear.  I havent bought a blizzard product since D3, and i was extremely reticent even to do that, but i listened to people making statements like yours and yet again i was fooled.

They will never see another dime of my money, period.  I don't care if they make the world ending best MMO of all time that ticks of literally EVERY SINGLE one of the features i want in a game.  They've lost my business.

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

  User Deleted
3/06/13 1:26:32 AM#33
Originally posted by SBFord
Originally posted by fivoroth

Some of these potential changes sound interesting. Some of the things I really like:

- Crafting being able to modify existing items

- Legendary items being more powerful and finding ilvl 63 versions of all uniques and sets sound cool

- Fewer number of rare items but more powerful

- Identify all button!

 

I completely agree! :)

 

On a personal side note: As for those refusing to buy Heart of the Swarm, that's just 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' and rather childish. To miss out on a potentially great game because knickers got twisted over another game's fetaures is just...goofy. :P

Why childish?

If i buy a car from certain brand, If the car has major flaws. I would have hard time buying a car from that brand again.

And i feel the same way about HotS.

  Dreamo84

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I actually still like MMORPGs

3/06/13 1:41:11 AM#34
Originally posted by Purutzil

The damage is already done. Changes really aren't likely to be enough to warrent a real spike in 'enjoyment' for the game. The only 'fix' really would be to take away the AH or make it far less viable and practically redo the entire item system... which won't happen since it would screw up the few players actually playing still.

lol the "few" players...sure...

  GoldenArrow

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3/06/13 1:57:04 AM#35

Blizzard did realize this from the start. But Jay Wilson had his own ideals and wouidn't let go of the mother goose "RMAH Diablo 3".

Now that Jay's out of the way the team can actually make a good game o/

Not to mention Diablo 3 is a lot better action game than PoE will ever be.
PoE has a lot of depth in build tinkering/item hunting but the action is poor compared to D3.
 
Different type of games for different players, I prefer the A in ARPGs.
  HcRpger

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3/06/13 2:35:38 AM#36

GoldernArrow, probably true.

RMAH was an experiment. Result = Epic Fail. At least from players point-of-view.

Diablo series worked brilliantly before, why change that?

  Dreamo84

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I actually still like MMORPGs

3/06/13 2:46:24 AM#37
Originally posted by HcRpger

GoldernArrow, probably true.

RMAH was an experiment. Result = Epic Fail. At least from players point-of-view.

Diablo series worked brilliantly before, why change that?

People seem to forget how drastically different a game D2 was compared to Diablo 1. Developers are always going to try new and different things. Will it always work for everyone? No, absolutely not.

  HcRpger

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3/06/13 2:52:35 AM#38

Fendel, of course. Games change, but what they did with D3, let's say, compared to D2, was to strip everything that made it such an awesome game and forget what it was supposed to be in the first place. FUN.

Fun, that came from for example, finding awesome gear. Trying out different skills and committing to your choices. That was fun.

D3 was ok to a certain degree, but the things that made D2 good weren't in D3.

  Dreamo84

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3/06/13 3:00:52 AM#39
Originally posted by HcRpger

Fendel, of course. Games change, but what they did with D3, let's say, compared to D2, was to strip everything that made it such an awesome game and forget what it was supposed to be in the first place. FUN.

Fun, that came from for example, finding awesome gear. Trying out different skills and committing to your choices. That was fun.

D3 was ok to a certain degree, but the things that made D2 good weren't in D3.

I enjoyed the skills in D3 I do agree the AH kinda ruined the replay value though. I didn't find it exciting to find new gear because it was just too easy to buy it in the AH and i'm not even talking RMAH.

Love the skill system though, was great trying out all the different runes and seeing the dramatic effects it had on how your skills functioned. Some commitment to choice would have been ok, but ultimately didn't really take away any fun. But having to reroll becaue I made a stupid choice was never really fun for me anyways lol.

  Illyssia

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3/06/13 3:31:08 AM#40
Originally posted by expresso
Originally posted by Purutzil

The damage is already done. Changes really aren't likely to be enough to warrent a real spike in 'enjoyment' for the game. The only 'fix' really would be to take away the AH or make it far less viable and practically redo the entire item system... which won't happen since it would screw up the few players actually playing still.

I have never understood this whole "you have to use the RMH/AH to progress" - all the items on the RMAH/AH are found and put on there by players so if these players can do it with out all this AH gear why cant everyone else? no one wants to face a challenge it seems and just wants to buy their way through the content... yet complain because they cannot be bothered to farm the items, ARPG are all about the farming buying the top end gear gets you what? 

 

D3 has this gear treadmill quality to it that pressures some to the Blizz D3 AH. In a way it is the player base cash shop. Myself I just play without it, but if you get really obsessed with having an item on a character then the temptation is there for players.

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