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General Discussion  » Now...Things from DAoC you DON'T want to see in CU

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  BowbowDAoC

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OP  3/05/13 7:22:30 PM#1

Few days ago i started a thread to find out what old DAoC players liked so much in it that they would like to see it again in CU.

 

Now lets find out what DAoC players don't want to see again in CU.

 

Lets keep it simple, one thing only (although it can be a group of closely related things)

 

 

For my part, what i don't want to see is anything remotely close to NF and all that came with it.

- teleports from one RvR point to another. let us have to run back to the action, even if takes 20 minutes, i hated the fact how you could die in RvR, /release, and be back in the battle in basically seconds. If you want to be back in battle ASAP, It also made dying meaningless, It made people just want to jump in battles foolishly, make a few RPs real fast even if it meant dying.

Be nice to the community and healers will happily resurrect you. It really helps ...(i'll be polite) rude players to behave correctly with other players if they dont want to have to release all the time and waste half they playing time running back to the action. if the community needs to manage itself properly as to how to behave all together, give us the tools to do so.

- too much info on our radar map. lets keep it as in pre NF; a radar, with N,S,E,W, terrain thats it ! It killed quite many RPG fun factors ; search, communicate, adventure, discover, coordinate. Also made scouts pretty useless too :( who needs one when a simple click tells you where are the battles, how many ennemies there and such, when a simple click told you all that ?

- Keeps with basically all the same surrounding terrain, i.e. those keeps on small island and 3 bridges to access it. Keep it simple, make huge battles possible with many different strategies /  possibilities.

 

These 3 points (mostly the first two) are what killed DAoC...It went from a MMORPG to a MMOFPS too much "hardcore" action for a RPG

 

P.S. : non related to the actual thread, but just thought about it. Make sure that i.e. castle, between slots up on castle walls, EVERY race can shoot from there lol !

I remember how dumb i felt with my kobold standing on walls, look at my fellow "human sized" friends shoot from upthere, while i was there feeling like Gimli, only top of my helmet visible and saying " whats happening ? what do you see !" lol, not being able to shoot cuz i was a kobold.

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  Foggye

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3/05/13 7:51:59 PM#2

Well, there was some counterplay to some of things that makes things kinda neat.

 

Sure there was teleports, but you could cut off teleportation.  Part of the tactic was to cut it off.  So, I think there should be some, but VERY limited, and at the risk of not being there.  Perhaps, ppl whom teleport get a debuff similiar to rezz sickness.  This could allow for a few key gathering areas where people can mill around to form groups similair to any PK back in the day.

 

The map system was kinda neat because you know where there was a fight, or an ongoing one.  The trick was you could attack someone/where just to get the enemy to come there when your goal was really somewhere else.   Sometimes you started 'fires' just to goad the enemy into attacking you.  I remember the old days, and it was good for the community, but I remember sometimes when it was just too much to read and squabble over (which mean you think that the community just needed to shut up.)  I honestly could go either way with this.  I agree about dumbing the actual mini-map or radar.  What's the sense of having nighttime matter if you can just see on the mini-map.

 

 

 

 

  WellzyC

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Ceaseless

3/05/13 7:55:41 PM#3

Some ppl liked it...

 

but I cant stand the caster interupts. Played daoc for almost 9 years,.. never once rolled a caster

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The way mmo's are now : Cut-Scenes,Cut-Scenes, Linear Questing, Cut-Scenes...


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  WellzyC

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Ceaseless

3/05/13 8:02:06 PM#4

 

I liked having to wait on the porters to get to the frontier lands..

 

but being a hib it was super unfair having to run all the way to emain, while eveyone else goto port right there. So while I think Dying in rvr should come with a penalty (like having to wait) it should just be fair

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  youngkg

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Posts: 364

3/05/13 8:10:26 PM#5

I wanna see each character have a buff limit similar to the concentration stat (that buff classes have) that limit the amount of buffs they can hand out.

 

If i cant see that then i dont wanna see buff classes in CU.

  meddyck

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3/05/13 8:11:48 PM#6
Ranged damage dealers with ranged stun. Even though I loved my smite cleric and my eldritch, I will readily concede that one class having both stun and nukes is bullshit.

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  Heartspark

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3/05/13 8:42:09 PM#7
Most of what i don't want to see is already not in game, pve being removed saved lots of it.  Lots of the spells classes has helped in pve more so than pvp.  You can go pve spec of pvp spec.  Making all lines work for pvp is the only challenge now.

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  Arnfiarnunn

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3/05/13 8:42:18 PM#8

+1 for no teleport, it tends to make stupids situations (i try a suicide kill, i die, i tp, i try a suicide kill, i die, i tp), if peoples have to run 10min or more to reach the closest fight they will think twice before suicide bombing

 

About radars, I personaly don't like it and prefer old style compass. We had to know the map, discovers hided places to embush ennemies, etc...

By the way I don't know if it would be possible, so at least do not show fights and ennemies on the map. Just a map would be way enough to me.

 

 

My personnal thing I hated and still hate is: DPS range with stuns or cc control, they're just imbalance by essence. (hibs/sorcerer/theu air)

Just like the hibs with stun+dd, when I was stunned by any hib without my purge I just had to ask a rez even before taking the first shot.

Make theses classes in particular VERY dependant of the assist characters, they already have their range as a big avantage to stay alive behind the lines.

 

@wellzyc: the caster interrupt was the reason why it was still possible to play melee in bus. Check gw2 or warhammer: the caster just ruin all melees as soon as they quit the lines, in this games melee mean meatbag.

  dynamicipftw

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3/05/13 9:19:03 PM#9

1) autotraining

2) the movement system (acceleration, deceleration)

3) /stick and /face on enemies

4) crafting as it was done in daoc was super boring

5) everyone running in panther and crocodile morphs like in ToA

6) having to change items from my inventory to be able to play some classes effectively

7) very slow balancing. Some classes were gimped for years

8) too many classes

9) the classes that were added in expansions were broken/OP/stupid

10) a specialized 8v8 map like agramon. I like randomness. Strict 8v8 gets boring after a while.

11) waiting for VIsur for 10 mins after each death

  Arnfiarnunn

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3/05/13 9:21:39 PM#10
Originally posted by dynamicipftw

2) the movement system (acceleration, deceleration)

I can understand the other points but why this one? It added realism and some kind of strategy...

  dynamicipftw

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3/05/13 9:23:22 PM#11
Originally posted by Arnfiarnunn
Originally posted by dynamicipftw

2) the movement system (acceleration, deceleration)

I can understand the other points but why this one? It added realism and some kind of strategy...

What strategy? Having to use /stick and /face to be able to play? It was clunky and it's no surprise no other MMO used it again.

  Arnfiarnunn

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3/05/13 9:33:16 PM#12
Originally posted by dynamicipftw
Originally posted by Arnfiarnunn
Originally posted by dynamicipftw

2) the movement system (acceleration, deceleration)

I can understand the other points but why this one? It added realism and some kind of strategy...

What strategy? Having to use /stick and /face to be able to play? It was clunky and it's no surprise no other MMO used it again.

I don't get the point with the /stick and acceleration/deceleration.

About the /face, I always feel sad it stopped you.

The point (for me) about the A/C is to force people to be aware of their movement, and if no other mmo used it we could agree all other mmo have people moving brainlessly in all direction while fighting.

I used to be melee in daoc, and this feature was really useful when I was charging a caster, just because I was faster than him until he reached max speed. So I was able to place a snare quite easily (and it sounds like a normal situation to me), in most other mmo the dude move in max speed and just kite the melee if he can't leap. Too bad, reroll a range class looser :D

  Canan

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3/05/13 9:41:33 PM#13
Originally posted by dynamicipftw
Originally posted by Arnfiarnunn
Originally posted by dynamicipftw

2) the movement system (acceleration, deceleration)

I can understand the other points but why this one? It added realism and some kind of strategy...

What strategy? Having to use /stick and /face to be able to play? It was clunky and it's no surprise no other MMO used it again.

How could one name such a system as "clunky." It was not clunky and it indeed did add strategy (and still does) to DAoC's combat system. You had to figure out when you wanted to stop (and /face) an opponent whilst risking stopping too quickly (and getting punched in the face by an enemy) in order to nuke an enemy down (or heal an ally).

Now, I do understand that some people will be against /stick but I really don't see the problem with it. Manually following some person around takes 0 skill and can become quite annoying. But, that is just my opinion. Plus, just because /sticking someone was an option didn't mean it was always the best thing to do. Many combat styles and weapon skills required you to be in different positions from your target which made /sticking the "wrong choice" in many instances.

  KappenWiz

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3/05/13 10:15:12 PM#14

Top of my list would be a game where you don't play the UI. Focus is on the screen most of the time and you're either first person or close third person....in the game. That's probably my No. 1 complaint from WoW, it made the info too readily available. Level, name, status, even buffs and current ability being cast, all at a single click...wth for? All it really did was separate you from your character and have you mostly watching group and mob health bars.

I loved the text info style of DAoC. Not sure you could go back to that, but I'd like to see it. You'd think you'd spend more time reading chat than watching group boxes and bars in WoW, but that wasn' t the case. I must've learned to speed read or something.

 

  Plastic-Metal

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3/06/13 12:13:46 AM#15
Originally posted by dynamicipftw

3) /stick and /face on enemies

 

I'm glad that I finally found a post that I somewhat agreed with you on, as most of the time I end up disagreeing with you.  I can understand both, but it's rather rare to hear someone say /stick and /face were negatives of DAoC.   I guess you were either one of the people that got train wrecked with /stick gankers, or one of them.   Either way, I could certainly lose /stick, but /face was incredibly useful to locate ranged attackers.  It also helped gaining view on positional styles for melees.

 

The only thing that comes to mind immediately that I disliked was...

1.  Underwater Combat

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  Bellofici

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3/06/13 12:34:39 AM#16
Will 2nd the teleport comments. Being able have folks rejoin the battle within seconds is BS.  Make people run. It adds to the suspense and uncertainty that made old frontiers so much fun. I hated winning a big fight just to get rolled by the same people 1 minute later.  Different people, sure, or same group(s) 10-15 minutes later also good with. But within a minute, lame...
  Theocritus

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3/06/13 12:40:33 AM#17
Originally posted by WellzyC

Some ppl liked it...

 

but I cant stand the caster interupts. Played daoc for almost 9 years,.. never once rolled a caster

 Playing a caster in DAoC was absolutely horrific...i have no idea why they wanted tod the interrupts to that degree.....Also I dont want to see stealth in CU......I know alot of people thought it was great stealthing on the battlefield and killing people easily, but I just dont think it has a place...It didnt happen everytime, ut I remember several times being killed in one hit by stealthers in RVR.

  morfidon

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3/06/13 4:17:57 AM#18

"+1 for no teleport, it tends to make stupids situations (i try a suicide kill, i die, i tp, i try a suicide kill, i die, i tp), if peoples have to run 10min or more to reach the closest fight they will think twice before suicide bombing"

there should be some kind of teleports they gave many ways to tactics during siege of other realm and if everyone will stand and be feared of fight there won't be much action at all.

" Playing a caster in DAoC was absolutely horrific...i have no idea why they wanted tod the interrupts to that degree.....Also I dont want to see stealth in CU......I know alot of people thought it was great stealthing on the battlefield and killing people easily, but I just dont think it has a place...It didnt happen everytime, ut I remember several times being killed in one hit by stealthers in RVR."

 

i played mostly casters and i loved system of interrupts so it means you are just crying, because you had problems playing something harder. Why did they implement it? Becuse of it this game wasn't boring, you had to think where to stand and you couldn't tank as a caster 5ppl having healers behind you and in the same time keep hitting. System of interrupts was very good, because of it also zerg fights didn't end so fast.

back to topic I didn't like:

1) warlocks with uniterruptable casts

2) new ranger system (old was great)

3) crafting was boring

4) stun nuke nuke down, stun nuke nuke down. With 2 eldritches with my friend we killed 8 ppl without any heals in open. Stun / mezz and nuke on one character? Imho stun shouldn't be longer than 6s and the stun shouldn't  be on a caster that has so enormous dps like eldritch or at least do not give it as a base line spell to everyone. With right items in daoc stun could last even 10s. It was overpowered. When hib caster stunned somebody in siege fights he was almost 100% dead if purge was down. And there were just thousands of lurikeens waiting to just stun you.

 

 

 

  Kyleran

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3/06/13 6:10:23 AM#19

Huge diparities in power between characters.

DAOC was level based, so if you were more than 4 levels below your opponent you had a real disadvantage in terms of being competitive.

I know they have to provide some sort of progression system, but it really isn't fun to go out in PVP zones and get one shotted by people who have some sort of huge bonuses added on to them

Ends up being a long slow climb to "endure" the disparity until you can fight your way to the top just be somewhat even.

Will be interesting to see how they balance this.

 

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3/06/13 8:11:30 AM#20
Originally posted by WellzyC

Some ppl liked it...

 

but I cant stand the caster interupts. Played daoc for almost 9 years,.. never once rolled a caster

I never liked it in the least. I felt like once a melee got within range is was pretty much “game over,” not to mention range attacks interrupted as well. Yes, I understand quickcast but a caster could only take 1-3 hits without dying. So why can spells just have a fizzle change when within melee range, do not make casters as squishy but as a trade off make their damage decrease with survivability.

I think PvP in CU should last longer for better strategy. The must memorable fights were in SB when my guild’s town was baned. Those took a lot of strategy and time to conquer instead of, “Well, if we roll the casters in 2 hits then flank the archers/healers in 4-6 hits the tanks should be easy pickin’s since their support classes will be dead before they know it.”

So, My 2 points to not put in CU are:

  1. Always interrupt casters within melee range
  2. RvR should have some depth of strategy not instant death to any class. Survivability should depend of the class made but not fast kills.

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