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  Warley

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3/03/13 7:06:29 PM#21
Originally posted by Dihoru

Do people seriously have an agenda here? Neverwinter is not even close to the same levels of "insideous marketing" as The Old Republic, remember the NDAs on it? remember how they knew their product was shit but launched it anyway with so many broken or missing features for a WoW clone of that budget and in development for that many years? Perfect World/Cryptic have been open about their game for months, they've shown us very recently what type of game it is and people who've experienced the foundry can share that bit (as I haven't yet seen a video of it floating around) as well so do pray tell where is PW preying on anyone? You know what sort of game it is (dungeon crawler with WoW bits set in the Neverwinter portion of the D&D franchise with the massive twist that players can make their own adventures so every budding PnP DM out there could recreate their dungeons in Neverwinter if they so chose to a degree at first and fully later on after content expansions).

 

To all those bleeding hearts that think it's on the company not to get someone's money: Really dude? Pretty sure that's how real capitalism works, the only difference is vs your ideal situations most consumers are too blinded by their own horse goggles to make an educated decision regarding a product and buy into things which could end up burning them. This is not on the company, the company has a product to ship, if the product is a game and you bought a game doesn't matter what you thought the game would be as long as the game is perfectly functional you're to blame for your dissatisfaction.

People are blinded and have no idea what has real value and what doesn't because of BS marketing.  Companies use gimmick words like 'value'.  This country is going to implode because everything is based upon the illusion that 'marketing' blitzes us with.  Everything is marketed to us nowadays; from nightly news to medication.  It's f'n ridiculous how brainwashed this country is.  Then, people come along and say it's the people's responsibility.  No, the responsibility always lies with the people who have the money and power.  IF they want the money and power they need to take responsibility.  You can't pass it off on the people who are walking around clueless; this cluelessness that is generated by the bombardment of marketing left and right.

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  Wickedjelly

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3/03/13 11:33:33 PM#22
Originally posted by Warley

People are blinded and have no idea what has real value and what doesn't because of BS marketing.  Companies use gimmick words like 'value'.  This country is going to implode because everything is based upon the illusion that 'marketing' blitzes us with.  Everything is marketed to us nowadays; from nightly news to medication.  It's f'n ridiculous how brainwashed this country is.  Then, people come along and say it's the people's responsibility.  No, the responsibility always lies with the people who have the money and power.  IF they want the money and power they need to take responsibility.  You can't pass it off on the people who are walking around clueless; this cluelessness that is generated by the bombardment of marketing left and right.

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Stop belittling those that would purchase something like this so much. Christ...you act like people that do are somehow  naive or incapable of thinking for themselves.

Fight Club was a great movie but give it a fucking rest already.

Not everyone needs their hand held and treated like simpletons through the passageways of life.

Some will enjoy it. Some will rant and rave down the road about it. Same as they always do.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  aRtFuLThinG

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3/03/13 11:36:58 PM#23
Originally posted by Wrehn

It's kind of trashy for PW to feed off impulse buyers
 

 If business don't feed off impulsive buyers, then who should they feed off?

Serious savers?

How the heck are they gonna make money off tightasses?

  JimmyYO

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3/03/13 11:44:05 PM#24
I don't mind if they charge 10,000 for these packages. Less idiots with money the better.
  Dreamo84

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3/04/13 12:51:58 AM#25

We all make our own choices. I bought the $60 pack on a whim based on the videos i've seen. Then once I played the beta I was SOLD so I bought the $200 pack and don't regret it.

I know there is a chance the game won't turn out the way I want and I won't get my money's worth. But that is my choice. Pretty much every industry out there adds premium packages to people who can afford it/want it.

  ReesRacer

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3/04/13 12:56:13 AM#26

"impulse buyers"?

easy solution: drink less

:)

  Branko2307

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3/04/13 12:58:25 AM#27
The awkward moment you realise you paid 200$ for a F2P game.

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  Monstre0auS

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3/04/13 2:00:31 AM#28

$0.02.

OP = Caveat Emptor. The Romans had a saying for someone buying something without giving due thought to what they were getting for their denarius.

 

I read all three pages of this topic and can see a clear dichotomy of thought: One, that marketing a product based on an idea of value is bad, illegal, unethical, something that the community should shun, would send Devs to hell and or more. Two, that the buyer is the one responsible for a purchase, even if they made a mistake and should take responsibility for their actions, seeking a refund if that's what they need, but responsible they are, none-the-less...

 

In Australia, there is an industry body called the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) which regulates all laws on unlawful practice and sales here in Aus. If you feel you've been mislead in a purchase you have the right to take it up with the seller, and if that does not resolve the situation in a way that satisfies you, you can take it up with the ACCC. The ACCC will investigate and if necessary, take action against the seller, or, if they find that there has been no breach to the law, politely tell you to mix some water and cement and harden the f*** up. This in principle complies with both train of thought a and train on line b. But more often then not, idiot consumers try to twist facts to make themselves appear to be a bigger victim then they really are (I've witnessed this before, in tribunal, several times).

 

I've yet to see anyone on these forums comparing inappropriate marketing with probably the biggest offenders in the world - Apple and app-related games, so lemme take a stab at this.

 

Apple are the mastercrafted purple shiney of potentially unethical marketing. So much so that it was revealed recently that hundreds of thousands was spent on psychological research in the past few years to better understand exactly what words needed to be said to develop a sense of need, safety and emotional necessity with their customers to ensure they take all the accessories they could possibly sell them when they buy their new shiney lewt.

Then they allow people to advertise a buyers market for apps on their iOS, Simpsons Tapped Out for example, where Aus$200 gets you a plethora of doughnuts to improve your iCity to show your friends how much better you are then them, all of this in a game world where there is no real 'value'.

While we may think that this has no real value as defined by us, what you may not be aware of is in 2012 a Dutch Supreme Court tried and convicted a teen on the theft and resale of online property from another teen. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/9053870/Online-game-theft-earns-real-world-conviction.html - Thus proving that there is potentially real value to be added to property advertised or marketed by devs for their customers in the form of a pre-purchase pack.

In the end, if you buy into the marketing of Apple, or if you buy into the marketing of the game devs who sell you the product, as a consumer, you've either made a good decision, a bad decision, or a decision that'll neither go to heaven nor hell. Take responsibility for your actions, if you were 'tricked', take action and seek a resolution. But if you weren't tricked, nor have you made a sale for the positive, don't go online slandering a name or an industry you know so little about.

We celebrate communication as one of the greatest achievements of man, so what does that make misinformation? Just a thought.

 

  Hestia

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3/05/13 9:44:00 PM#29
PWE is PWE. Enough said. I do know enough from playing their two most popular games back then for years, Perfect World International and Forsaken World to know how much greed this company has. I was hyped, but then, disappointed to see that this company will run the game with their absurd cash shop pay to win style.
  User Deleted
3/05/13 10:04:45 PM#30

I do agree that the handling of the betas and some of the pre-purchase packages has been tacky.

I have no interest in rolling a Drow, but I can see how holding off on releasing them to everyone for 2 months to promote the $200 package is trashy.

Still looking forward to the game and happily got the $60 package. After playing in the last beta I have zero regrets about it.

  sairusco

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Inconceivable!

3/06/13 2:01:39 PM#31
About PW: I think it's a smart move, I mean plenty of people read the books about Drizzt Do'Urden and I encountered many drow looking elves in other mmorpg's advertising with being able to roll a Drizzt, getting a black panther pet aswell just like in the books, smart.. although a bit corny :-) And the price is insane, without a doubt... 200bucks/150 euro for playing a game that could be deserted within 2 months, quite a risk if you ask me.
  strangepowers

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3/06/13 2:04:14 PM#32

What's wrong with having disposable income... I'll burn my cash in the fireplace if I want to... none of your business.

Don't get twisted with the whole have and have not.

The OP only reveals their inexperience with the real world.

The scary part is one day the world will be run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating.

  Doogiehowser

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3/06/13 2:06:15 PM#33
PW would be feeding off impulsive buyers if the packs they are offering are compulsory to play the game. But hey guess what..you can just download and start playing free of cost. People really need to stop worrying where and how others decide to spend their money.

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  Antiarin

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3/07/13 1:21:44 PM#34
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
PW would be feeding off impulsive buyers if the packs they are offering are compulsory to play the game. But hey guess what..you can just download and start playing free of cost. People really need to stop worrying where and how others decide to spend their money.

This ^^^

If people want to spend money let them. I don't understand why it matters.

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  birdycephon

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3/07/13 1:34:23 PM#35
Originally posted by aiemageek
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
PW would be feeding off impulsive buyers if the packs they are offering are compulsory to play the game. But hey guess what..you can just download and start playing free of cost. People really need to stop worrying where and how others decide to spend their money.

This ^^^

If people want to spend money let them. I don't understand why it matters.

Agreed. 

  buegur

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3/07/13 1:50:07 PM#36
I loved my lifetime subscription to Star Trek On-line and it more than paid for itself over the years.  Even after the game went free to play I still get points to spend every month.  I haven't really looked into Neverwinter much, but if I liked their ideas and the way the game was progressing, I would certainly consider paying for a lifetime subscription.
  MortisRex

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3/07/13 1:55:14 PM#37
I know for an absolute fact that you can get into the NWN beta without paying a single penny for founder packages.
  Alber_gamer

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3/07/13 1:57:50 PM#38

What is this with this people who have a problem on OTHERS funding a game? You want to play games for free, but then you don't want others to fund it. So what do you want, the game companies to feed their children off air? The game isn't even P2W (no more than GW2 is anyway, which has a 50 bucks purchase price).

 

Are you aware that some people have donated amounts like ten thousand dollars through Kickstarter to games of which there isn't even concept art for?

 

I really don't see how more obscenely hypocritical can a person get.

 

 

PS: Anyone that has cared enough, has gotten in the Beta without paying a dime. 

My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.

  gillrmn

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3/07/13 2:44:31 PM#39
Originally posted by Wrehn

Not enough information has been released on this game, and not enough testing has been done to warrant founders packages.

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Although I tend to agree a bit on 'feeding off impulsive buyers' thing, it is something all do.

A lot of information compared to any oter game has been released. Most MMOs release nothing a year before beta about the game. W were able to play the game at E3 an year before beta.

Secondly, testing has been going on behind the curtains. It has already been confirmed that for 'alpha' testing has been going in for months; and if you are a person who are ready to believe 'my sources' (*completely made up so don't*) alpha has been going on for 6+months before beta started and F&F testing was done for at least 3 months before that - these stages come after internal testing. That adds up 1+ years to testing of the game uptil now, when beta has just started.

 

I would say it is too much info and too much testing.

 

I am a bit sympathatic with rest of the post though. However, it is f2p and I am sympathetic to the fact that the game was almost closed because of budget. Hence if they are grabbing money now, its fine. I just have to monitor myself. If others want to support the game(good people), or are just a victim of impulsive buying (too unfortunate). I will be cautious and that is all that matters.

  darkrose50

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3/08/13 9:48:27 AM#40
Originally posted by jdnyc

Impulse buying is on the consumer, not the company.  

The whole 'no one to blame, but themselves' is a silly statement as well.

The concept of blame refers to a wrong that was done.  To my knowledge the consumer is aware and received/will receive the benefits of being a founder.  It's a transaction that two parties agree to.  You can decide for yourself if that transaction is worth it or not.  Simple as that.

 

Marketing is a measurable, tangible science.  Marketing is a form of propaganda.  It is based on propaganda.  Literally early marketing takes propaganda ideas and, ingeniously, turners them into capitalist propaganda*.  Nearly every company uses propaganda, I mean marketing, because it works.  Nearly every company does not spend money thinking that we can make our own decisions.  Marketing and propaganda exist to make decisions for us.  We are sheep, we have malleable minds, and marketing works exceedingly well.

Claiming that a measurable, tangible force manipulating ones behavior is solely the responsibility of the target audience is rather naive.

*Please note that I am a capitalist pig.  I buy low and sell high, mostly collectables, for fun.  I make money, doing next to nothing, NOTHING, by investing in the stock market.  In America my dividends are taxed lower than actual work where people have invested time in labor.  Investing is a quite efficient way to make money, uses next to no time, is scalable and gives you money for not working. Say someone is limited to producing X from labor over Y hours earning Z money.  Investors have no such limitations.  Investing $10,000, $100,000, $1,000,000, or $100,000,000 gives you dividends . . . above and beyond the rising value of the stock or mutual funds.  Doing so takes very little brains (pick a S&P 500 fund, and a bond fund and you are done).  Those who tell you that investing is hard or that they are taking a great risk, are lying to you.  Sure my portfolio took a dive during the recession, but I still made money from dividends for doing nothing.  Compound interest is rather magical, use it.

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