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  sapphen

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Posts: 920

3/02/13 9:37:27 PM#161
Originally posted by jtcgs

Poll highly scewed by far too many DaoC fans on this site.

The only way to get a PURE poll is to got to a TES fansite where there are nothing but TES fans, even if they are also DaoC fans...here, you end up with more DaoC fans that dont play TES at all and dont give an eff as long as they get something close to the same crap they played 12 years ago.

Pure TES fans are far more pissed off and can be plainly seen on the offical TES forums as well as the mod sites.

No, they've taken over the TES fansite as well.  A bunch of members with 2012-2013 join dates raging at anyone who says something against ESO.  You would probably have better luck at nexus.

  OgreRaper

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3/02/13 9:40:25 PM#162
I'm thrilled they went with DAOC style RvR system. There is no better PvP MMO ever.
  sapphen

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3/02/13 9:47:03 PM#163
Originally posted by OgreRaper
I'm thrilled they went with DAOC style RvR system. There is no better PvP MMO ever.

It's still around and no one is playing it.  Funny that the best PvP MMO has less active players than Morrowind.

  OgreRaper

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3/02/13 9:51:13 PM#164
Originally posted by sapphen
Originally posted by OgreRaper
I'm thrilled they went with DAOC style RvR system. There is no better PvP MMO ever.

It's still around and no one is playing it.  Funny that the best PvP MMO has less active players than Morrowind.

 

The RvR system in DAOC is the best IMO. But admittedly, the character control, combat, and the engine have not aged well. Also the graphics are ancient too.

  Kothoses

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3/02/13 10:10:17 PM#165

Aslong as the combat is better than the previous elder scrolls games of move backwards while mashing a mouse button ftw I will be happy.

 

Oblivion and Skyrim had a lot going for them, but cause and effect gameplay and combat were not two of them, so if they can improve these parts and give me a world to explore, I will be happy there for a while :)

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  Axxar

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3/03/13 3:35:48 AM#166

Personally I see it as Elder Scrolls where they've kept most of the core concepts of exploring and questing, but have taken advantage of the fact that it's now multiplayer to accomplish things you couldn't in the single player game. Such as exploring dungeons in a party and combating other players. Hopefully it'll turn out fun.

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  MyTabbycat

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3/03/13 6:52:39 AM#167

These forums are so full of misinformation and speculation about ESO.

If you really want to know what TES fans think of ESO then vist the Bethsoft forums.  http://forums.bethsoft.com/forum/190-elder-scrolls-online-general-discussion/

If you actually want to know what the game is about, then either go to: http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/ Or http://tamrielfoundry.com/development-faq/

  Nanfoodle

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3/03/13 8:14:34 AM#168
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
 

Then you would take away the depth the quest, story and dungeons could have when they are designed just for your faction. It will drive faction pride like it did in DAoC.

Just to focus on this part...

What is stopping these fame quests being located around the explorable world? What would be stopping these quests being only available to your faction but elsewhere in the world other then your own lands? Where the quests are located doesn't affect faction pride, what you do on the quest does.

So again exactly why resctrict exploration of the world?

Because all that is left to me is being unable to talk to people outside your faction outside your faction lands and not seeing other factions wandering around. Chat can be restrcited so that isn't an issue or a reason to restrict exploration. And outside Cyrodil you cannot PvP and could hide faction aliegence too.

So what is left?

 

Do you take pride in your home land in RL? Do you get up in arms when a different country is invaded? Does a terrorist attack in another country make you want to run there to help? For most, not really. So you questing in your factions area it becomes your factions home, something to get upset about when NPC dark elves are killing farmers. Seeing every faction running around makes it not your home really? Its now just a play space. So when this is your home and quests, story in that area are about the war and you get to do something about it, it gets you reved for the war.

On top of all this, you have the TES fans who dont play for PvP and they are going to need a PvP free area to PvE. The flag mechanic does not work as you can trick anyone into flagging. Been MMOing 13 years and seen many ways to bug people who just want to PvE and be left alone. Forcing them into a open world PvP game is really taking away from what TES is about. DAoC template is the best fit for this game and the gold standard of PvP. No one had topped DAoC since its come out.

  Brohime

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Joined: 2/20/13
Posts: 34

3/03/13 8:54:38 AM#169

The elder scrolls spiritual DAoC successor??? I think not. Check out Camelot Unchained. Seriously. Mark Jacobs( the other CoFounder of DAoC) is the head of this game, and he will actually do RVR the RIGHT WAY.

 

Here is a link.

Tell your friends.

bye.

http://citystateentertainment.com/camelotunchained/

 

 

  Jetrpg

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3/03/13 9:05:43 AM#170
Originally posted by Whiskey_Sam
This whole thing has fascinated me.  I can't remember ever seeing a game where its IP's fans generally seem to hate the concept but another IP's fans have adopted it as their own.  I can't recall ever seeing a fan-transplant like this where DAoC fans are defending this to the hilt while TES fans are generally dismissive.  That speaks volumes to me about how badly they've screwed up their PR in how the game is perceived, and that's without even considering whether their design choices are wise or not.

Thats becuase your biased so you see what serves your purpose.

You are focusing on one aspect of the game and acting like its the only issue to discuss. its kinda sad when people do this and then you read posts like this.  TES fans want a teso that is a copy of tes games but mmo (which will not work, without changing the dynamic , but w/e they don't care QQ. This being said they could have been more TEs then the daoc route that is for sure).

DAOC people ot w/e non-ignorat people might comment of you CANNOT DO XXX AND IT BE GOOD, with a yes you can and it has been good in the past (not an agrument that teso should do it, only that the post is clearly falacious). And there has been a lot of pro-daoc aspect too like i loved that in daoc and want it in more of my mmos. But be clear TESO is more similar to tes game then its even close to daoc. Thats the reality of the situation. But there are aspects that are very similar to daoc, its just not most of the game.

So as far as your statement about IPs its obviously a false naritive, even if widely accepted.

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  Jetrpg

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3/03/13 9:07:09 AM#171
Originally posted by Brohime

The elder scrolls spiritual DAoC successor??? I think not. Check out Camelot Unchained. Seriously. Mark Jacobs( the other CoFounder of DAoC) is the head of this game, and he will actually do RVR the RIGHT WAY.

 

Here is a link.

Tell your friends.

bye.

http://citystateentertainment.com/camelotunchained/

 

 

This game will be nothign liek daoc MJ has said so himself, well with what he wants to do. It will have pvp thos if all daoc was only pvp (class, equip, abilitys, everythign else doesn't factor in, including how and where you pvped) then sure, but i could say the same about GW2 and WAr. But then i would be as incorrect as you.

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  Maelwydd

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Posts: 1169

3/03/13 9:20:09 AM#172
Originally posted by Nanfoodle

 

 

Do you take pride in your home land in RL? Do you get up in arms when a different country is invaded? Does a terrorist attack in another country make you want to run there to help? For most, not really. So you questing in your factions area it becomes your factions home, something to get upset about when NPC dark elves are killing farmers. Seeing every faction running around makes it not your home really? Its now just a play space. So when this is your home and quests, story in that area are about the war and you get to do something about it, it gets you reved for the war.

On top of all this, you have the TES fans who dont play for PvP and they are going to need a PvP free area to PvE. The flag mechanic does not work as you can trick anyone into flagging. Been MMOing 13 years and seen many ways to bug people who just want to PvE and be left alone. Forcing them into a open world PvP game is really taking away from what TES is about. DAoC template is the best fit for this game and the gold standard of PvP. No one had topped DAoC since its come out.

If I emigrated to another country I would take pride in that country too. If Either country went to war I would do my part. If my home country and my new home went to war I would have a moral dilema but probably try and stay out of it if I could.

If a country goes to war the fight takes place in 3 places potentially. In the country where the fighting is taking place, in your home country and in the enemy country. If you don't think spying, sabotage, propoganda and all the other aspects of warefare do not happen anywhere except the place of fighting then you are ignorant of how war works.

And who said anything about open world PvP? It is a possibility to have PvP anywhere, perhaps on a different instance of the megaserver. It is possible to have flagged PvP on another instance. But with locked down borders those options are impossible. I would rather design it so these options were available then not.

Hell the developers have justified having no PvP outside Cyrodil by saying all the factions have agreed to only fighting in the middle. If they can use bullshit like that to justify putting in artifical barriers to prevent exploration why couldn't they keep the same agreement in place with full exploration?

And if no one has topped DAOC why isn't it a roaring success? Why isn't it still popular? I mean old games are still being played and are still popular so why not DAOC? Rose tinted glasses come to mind. And it is was so successful why hasn't it been done since? It is just a string of excuses by unimaginative people defending a position with no reasonable justification then DAOC had it, Matt Frior is designing it so it must be good and it will be just as good as DOAC was. Sorry but it either is or it isn't DOAC2. If it is stop calling it TESO, if it isn't then stop using DAOC mechanics preventing TES mechanics form being used.

  Brohime

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Joined: 2/20/13
Posts: 34

3/03/13 9:33:50 AM#173
Originally posted by Jetrpg
Originally posted by Brohime

The elder scrolls spiritual DAoC successor??? I think not. Check out Camelot Unchained. Seriously. Mark Jacobs( the other CoFounder of DAoC) is the head of this game, and he will actually do RVR the RIGHT WAY.

 

Here is a link.

Tell your friends.

bye.

http://citystateentertainment.com/camelotunchained/

 

 

This game will be nothign liek daoc MJ has said so himself, well with what he wants to do. It will have pvp thos if all daoc was only pvp (class, equip, abilitys, everythign else doesn't factor in, including how and where you pvped) then sure, but i could say the same about GW2 and WAr. But then i would be as incorrect as you.

So is Elder Scrolls more of a spiritual successor? No way. I mean C'mon it even has the same lore! And it is solely focusing on RvR which is what made DAoC great! As for "spiritual successor",  I think this is mostly do to legal reasons since EA has rights to DAoC.

  Crazyhorsek

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3/03/13 1:38:40 PM#174

oh... lol I like the expression "pure TES fans".

Well... I have no idea what a "pure TES fan" is... must be some type of master race crap talk again, STILL... a pure, and I mean PURE TES fan will never play TESO since its not a single player game. TES are single player games... therefor a "PURE TES fan" will never play anything but a TES game that is EXACTLY like the other TES games - single player because thats the first and foremost important aspect of TES.

Therefore "pure TES fans" have no actual right to try to steer a mmo - stick to your "pure" single player game.

Think this closes the conversation about "pure TES fans".

Me? Well I'm pretty flexible... TES games are awesome and I think TESO will be awesome... but different. But I can embrace different games from a multitude of genres.

Now if Mass Effect went the mmo way done right, damn I would be in trouble cause... mass effect mmo vs tes mmo I would be really in trouble. Thanks for who ever decided not to release a mass effect mmo and not forcing me to a very very hard decision.

  Nanfoodle

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3/03/13 4:09:22 PM#175
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by Nanfoodle

 

 

Do you take pride in your home land in RL? Do you get up in arms when a different country is invaded? Does a terrorist attack in another country make you want to run there to help? For most, not really. So you questing in your factions area it becomes your factions home, something to get upset about when NPC dark elves are killing farmers. Seeing every faction running around makes it not your home really? Its now just a play space. So when this is your home and quests, story in that area are about the war and you get to do something about it, it gets you reved for the war.

On top of all this, you have the TES fans who dont play for PvP and they are going to need a PvP free area to PvE. The flag mechanic does not work as you can trick anyone into flagging. Been MMOing 13 years and seen many ways to bug people who just want to PvE and be left alone. Forcing them into a open world PvP game is really taking away from what TES is about. DAoC template is the best fit for this game and the gold standard of PvP. No one had topped DAoC since its come out.

And if no one has topped DAOC why isn't it a roaring success? Why isn't it still popular? I mean old games are still being played and are still popular so why not DAOC? Rose tinted glasses come to mind. And it is was so successful why hasn't it been done since? It is just a string of excuses by unimaginative people defending a position with no reasonable justification then DAOC had it, Matt Frior is designing it so it must be good and it will be just as good as DOAC was. Sorry but it either is or it isn't DOAC2. If it is stop calling it TESO, if it isn't then stop using DAOC mechanics preventing TES mechanics form being used.

For a 10 year old game with outdated mechanics and graphics it still is making money and doing very well ty.

  Reklaw

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3/04/13 2:47:26 PM#176
Originally posted by Brohime

The elder scrolls spiritual DAoC successor??? I think not. Check out Camelot Unchained. Seriously. Mark Jacobs( the other CoFounder of DAoC) is the head of this game, and he will actually do RVR the RIGHT WAY.

 

Here is a link.

Tell your friends.

bye.

http://citystateentertainment.com/camelotunchained/

 

 

Kinda the same thing people said when he was working on Warhammer.

  Distopia

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3/04/13 3:02:10 PM#177
Originally posted by sapphen
Originally posted by OgreRaper
I'm thrilled they went with DAOC style RvR system. There is no better PvP MMO ever.

It's still around and no one is playing it.  Funny that the best PvP MMO has less active players than Morrowind.

You are reaching pretty far here, for one how would you even guage how many people play morrowind? Two, if you had ever played DAOC you'd know the game isn't exactly friendly to the current MMO audience from a game-play stand point.

DAOC's PVP was good, the game-play in and of itself by standards even in 2003 was pretty archaic, the same could be said for a few MMO's that released before 03. Had mythic kept their game current ( at least close to) this wouldn't be the case, the last major changes were years and years ago and they were only done on the visual side.

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3/04/13 3:07:41 PM#178
Originally posted by Crazyhorsek

oh... lol I like the expression "pure TES fans".

Well... I have no idea what a "pure TES fan" is... must be some type of master race crap talk again, STILL... a pure, and I mean PURE TES fan will never play TESO since its not a single player game. TES are single player games... therefor a "PURE TES fan" will never play anything but a TES game that is EXACTLY like the other TES games - single player because thats the first and foremost important aspect of TES.

Therefore "pure TES fans" have no actual right to try to steer a mmo - stick to your "pure" single player game.

Think this closes the conversation about "pure TES fans".

Me? Well I'm pretty flexible... TES games are awesome and I think TESO will be awesome... but different. But I can embrace different games from a multitude of genres.

Now if Mass Effect went the mmo way done right, damn I would be in trouble cause... mass effect mmo vs tes mmo I would be really in trouble. Thanks for who ever decided not to release a mass effect mmo and not forcing me to a very very hard decision.

Ehummm...well said ;)

Same here, definitly fit the the name of TES fan, but also MMORPG fan. I know what to expect from a singleplayer game and that feeling from playing them can never be matched by a MMORPG, you simply do not effect the world in a pve way like all TES games do. I feel people underastimate what a TES game gives and only imagine more people running around in the same game where the game is expected to behave the same like we know out of our singleplayer experiances.

You simple can't have that "feel" try and we end up with games like SWtOR (which I liked as a Co-Op Online Star Wars Combat Game) but absolutely disliked for it's MMORPG aspects. With what they delivered they should have made a co-op singelplayer game and much of it's budget would have been much better spend and could have brought allot more depth to the game especially in the cause and effect section where you actually can influence the world.

Now as said TESO is going to be a MMORPG, they actually show balls to bring us a different experiance then what we allready know and love from the regular TES series. That experiance simple can only be matched by another singleplayer game or hopefully with some co-op options. For a MMORPG it NEEDS to be different, yet I am sure it will also feel familiar.

We get a change to actually be part of some faction that actually means something, we can have different type of players playing in one game world, sure we might be separated from other factions but do I really walk in real life into area's/lands/country's I really should not be in. Is it really that hard for some gamers to accept the faction lock?

 

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3/04/13 3:09:22 PM#179
Originally posted by Crazyhorsek

oh... lol I like the expression "pure TES fans".

Well... I have no idea what a "pure TES fan" is... must be some type of master race crap talk again, STILL... a pure, and I mean PURE TES fan will never play TESO since its not a single player game. TES are single player games... therefor a "PURE TES fan" will never play anything but a TES game that is EXACTLY like the other TES games - single player because thats the first and foremost important aspect of TES.

Therefore "pure TES fans" have no actual right to try to steer a mmo - stick to your "pure" single player game.

Think this closes the conversation about "pure TES fans".

Me? Well I'm pretty flexible... TES games are awesome and I think TESO will be awesome... but different. But I can embrace different games from a multitude of genres.

Now if Mass Effect went the mmo way done right, damn I would be in trouble cause... mass effect mmo vs tes mmo I would be really in trouble. Thanks for who ever decided not to release a mass effect mmo and not forcing me to a very very hard decision.

I wonder if they actually think rhetoric like that will actually change minds or win arguments? The thought is quite amusing if they do, as this isn't high school, I highly doubt anyone is concerned about joining their club or sitting at their lunch table.

I will still play TES games like anyone else who loves them. Even this one if it turns out to be good.

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  Yyrkoon_PoM

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3/04/13 4:43:39 PM#180

I wonder if some of the TES purists have really played all of the TES games?

- Ted Peterson, Vijay Lakshman and Julian LeFay started working on Arena as a "medieval-style gladiator game."

Link: http://web.archive.org/web/20070509175304/http://www.elderscrolls.com/tenth_anniv/tenth_anniv-arena.htm

- Battlespire offered multiplayer gamming in the form of Player vs. Player deathmatches. This was in 1997 so PvP was introduced into Elder Scrolls before DAoC was even in production.

- Redguard - You were not even allowed to create your own character and played the entire game as Cyrus the Redguard, so I guess you could say that Faction Locking (in this case caracter locking) was introduced into the Elder Scrolls in 1998 again before DAoC.

Granted that they were both terrible games, but they are part of the ES series.

As to the exploration, I do not think you could ever explore the whole of Tamriel in any one game as each game was locked to an entire provice or a smaller portion of a province.

So while it is easy to say that ESO is DAoC in Elder Scrolls clothing, I think a closer look at the history and roots of the ES series might make some people come to a different conclusion.

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