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General Discussion  » Drow exclusivity and uncertainty of the control wizard at launch

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  Vlacke

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3/01/13 9:52:47 AM#41

Personally i don't have a problem with Drow being exclusive for 60 days because i wasn'y going to pick that race for my first character anyway.

That being said i can completely understand why many people are pretty much annoyed by this, fact of the matter is that the developers stated many times how Drow will be free for everyone at launch while Menzoberranzan will be exclusive to those who payed for top tier founders pack, so they basically lied which is not a good business practice anywhere...but again, not a big problem for me.

On the other hand it will be terrible if they decide to launch the game without the wizard class, Wizards/Mages, spellcasters in general are a huge part of Dungeons & Dragons and it's lore, lack of such class would frankly be mind boggling.

  Abloec

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3/02/13 11:38:39 AM#42

This is exactly what I stated in the beta discussion on this.

 

"Ok so here are my 2 cents on this matter.

Like some other people have said this is a game still in beta, things are ALWAYS subject to change. Like others have said I have never seen a dev specifically come out and say Drow will be available at launch. In the video someone posted earlier he stated Drow would be in the game, he did not say that Drow was a race that will absolutely be in for launch.

From previous MMO's pay 2 play or otherwise I have learned to pull back from announced features and what not because like I said this is still beta and all things are subject to change. Some people claim to have played games/mmo's for up to 10 years, if this is true tbh its all on you if you are disappointed. By now you should know that things can always change, release dates, things coming into the game and so on.

The only thing I dislike about this whole situation is PW/Cryptics way of telling us that Drow would not be in the game, that I do believe was pretty low. Other than that I do believe that this is a matter of misplaced expectations. You yourself got it into your minds that Drow would be a release race, when in fact Cryptic never said it was going to be(if someone can link me a dev stating it would be please do). For all the people raging at this, from what I have seen its mainly about the fact that Drow will not be in at release rather than the way they told us.

I truly do not understand this, I say take this as a learned lesson. Do not allow yourself to build up expectations on games. Like the guy holding up TSO like the company will never do anything to disappoint the consumer base. I mean are you that ignorant to how MMO's are now a days. They release so much information that they are bound to end up disappointing the consumer base. Do not put ignorant expectations on games, you are not privy to all the information and if you are than you would more than likely not be holding up a game on a pedestal.

I really hope that people can understand that this is coming from someone who has played MMO's since UO and EQ, games WILL always change and disappoint their consumer base. The only thing I am disappointed w/ is the shifty way they told us this information."


Damnant quod non intellegunt

  Squatchin

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3/02/13 11:54:48 AM#43
Originally posted by Fendel84M

Don't see the big deal. It is a F2P game after all. An exlusive race for 60 days with a $200 founders pack is not exactly horrible.

Why do people always focus on what they are not getting for free, rather than what they are?


People these days seem to have a sense of entitlement, I deserve it therefore I should have it.


  Torvaldr

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3/02/13 12:07:57 PM#44
Originally posted by ZombieFeast
Originally posted by Fendel84M

Don't see the big deal. It is a F2P game after all. An exlusive race for 60 days with a $200 founders pack is not exactly horrible.

Why do people always focus on what they are not getting for free, rather than what they are?


People these days seem to have a sense of entitlement, I deserve it therefore I should have it.

Then again there is a lot of good competition from other sub-free games.  Cryptic isn't entitled to my support or money in this either.  It works both ways. In fact it is actually the responsibility of the company that wants my money to offer a deal that appeals to me.

A problem here is Cryptic put themselves in a foolish position.  The Menzo skin and background racial skills don't differentiate themselves much from the standard Drow.  They put out that all races would be included in base game except for the Menzo background.  They sold a very expensive pack and were under heavy public scrutiny from gamers and sites to deliver on that.

By the way the standard Drow isn't restricted to only non-payers.  It's restricted for 60+ days period, to all.  Check their forums and there is a clarification by a community relations manager.

So this isn't as much of an entitlement issue as it is a horrible PR blunder.  This along with their pre-purchase packs have caused a small division in the community at a time when you want a unified positive customer base.  This is a really critical time for an mmo and you want all the positive energy sourrounding the game you can garner.  This is why I call this a huge PR blunder and not just a small petty cash grab.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Aerowyn

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3/02/13 12:17:06 PM#45
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by ZombieFeast
Originally posted by Fendel84M

Don't see the big deal. It is a F2P game after all. An exlusive race for 60 days with a $200 founders pack is not exactly horrible.

Why do people always focus on what they are not getting for free, rather than what they are?


People these days seem to have a sense of entitlement, I deserve it therefore I should have it.

Then again there is a lot of good competition from other sub-free games.  Cryptic isn't entitled to my support or money in this either.  It works both ways. In fact it is actually the responsibility of the company that wants my money to offer a deal that appeals to me.

A problem here is Cryptic put themselves in a foolish position.  The Menzo skin and background racial skills don't differentiate themselves much from the standard Drow.  They put out that all races would be included in base game except for the Menzo background.  They sold a very expensive pack and were under heavy public scrutiny from gamers and sites to deliver on that.

By the way the standard Drow isn't restricted to only non-payers.  It's restricted for 60+ days period, to all.  Check their forums and there is a clarification by a community relations manager.

So this isn't as much of an entitlement issue as it is a horrible PR blunder.  This along with their pre-purchase packs have caused a small division in the community at a time when you want a unified positive customer base.  This is a really critical time for an mmo and you want all the positive energy sourrounding the game you can garner.  This is why I call this a huge PR blunder and not just a small petty cash grab.

to me it still seems people making a mountain out of an ant hill.. its a game, if its fun people will play if it's not and has horrible game breaking issues people will not.. imho its a small fraction of potential players that really get up and arms about this sort of thing

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  Daemonweaver

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3/02/13 12:22:00 PM#46

 

to me it still seems people making a mountain out of an ant hill.. its a game, if its fun people will play if it's not and has horrible game breaking issues people will not.. imho its a small fraction of potential players that really get up and arms about this sort of thing

+1

  Burntvet

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3/02/13 12:23:51 PM#47
Cryptic's manta: Why give something away when you can nickle and dime people for it later...
  Icewhite

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3/02/13 12:30:52 PM#48
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG

I don't even know why people even wants to play drow...

I would assume Drizz't, but that memory has almost faded entirely away (at long last) from fandom.

It's the Real Ultimate Power effect. Teenage boys + black = kewl. One character named "DarkityDarkShadowDarkySilentAssassinMcStabb", coming right up.

I am sorry, 1982 flashback. Tom's-A-Twit just loved drow...the animosity may never leave me.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Torvaldr

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3/02/13 12:47:30 PM#49
Originally posted by Aerowyn

to me it still seems people making a mountain out of an ant hill.. its a game, if its fun people will play if it's not and has horrible game breaking issues people will not.. imho its a small fraction of potential players that really get up and arms about this sort of thing

I agree.  It's really not a huge deal in the big picture.  But it is a detractor from a unified excited community.  It's not just the drow thing, but how they did the pre-purchase packs.  I've been an early adopter in a lot of games and I've never seen a pre-purchase pack implemented in such a way as to detract from the community like this.

It will pass I'm sure after the game launches, but I'm still pretty convinced that what would be more productive for their game and revenue stream overall would have been to create a more unified excited community.  That is your best source of advertising.

Curse you AquaScum!

  HorrorScope

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3/02/13 1:43:54 PM#50
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Will it cost ZEN to unlock additional Races and Classes?


All the available races at launch will be free. We are planning to release the regular Drow for free post-launch (after at least 60 days to allow for Founder's Pack exclusivity). Note that only the regular Drow race will become available; the Menzoberranzen Renegade will always remain exclusive to Hero of the North Pack purchases.

Details regarding additional classes and races should be announced soon!

This was my favorite one. It's their own FAQ. They ask the question and then don't even answer it.

Cryptic it's ok. We know it's a F2P game and that doesn't really mean free to play for everything. It is reasonable to charge for things like extra Races and Classes. We've come to expect it. But don't ask yourself the questiona and then not answer it. Silly.

 

 

 

  HorrorScope

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3/02/13 1:44:38 PM#51
Originally posted by Burntvet
Cryptic's manta: Why give something away when you can nickle and dime people for it later...

Sounds like most peoples mantra.

  Burntvet

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3/02/13 5:50:56 PM#52
Originally posted by HorrorScope
Originally posted by Burntvet
Cryptic's manta: Why give something away when you can nickle and dime people for it later...

Sounds like most peoples mantra.

 

Perhaps I should have clarified a bit more: Why put in something (and perhaps say you are going to) when you can take it out before official launch and put it back in later for an extra charge. I wonder how much of that we'll be seeing here... Knowing Cryptic, I bet it will be significant. And I'll laugh like hell when they offer the "Rebel Drow" race 3-6 months from now for $20, despite what they have said.
  Abloec

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3/03/13 7:11:08 AM#53
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by HorrorScope
Originally posted by Burntvet
Cryptic's manta: Why give something away when you can nickle and dime people for it later...

Sounds like most peoples mantra.

 

Perhaps I should have clarified a bit more: Why put in something (and perhaps say you are going to) when you can take it out before official launch and put it back in later for an extra charge. I wonder how much of that we'll be seeing here... Knowing Cryptic, I bet it will be significant. And I'll laugh like hell when they offer the "Rebel Drow" race 3-6 months from now for $20, despite what they have said.

Uhhh???? Unless you know something I do not, which unless you are a Cryptic employee I doubt it. They have never stated that the Drow will cost money, they have stated it will be free for all 60 days after launch.

 

I seriously do not understand where people come up w/ this shit to smear a company. Also the general input on the forums currently for all the people bitching about the Drow being removed for the first 60 days are saying well please at least put it in the cash shop for 10 bucks. Just an FYI.


Damnant quod non intellegunt

  AliGenius

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3/03/13 8:57:59 AM#54

Lets see.. you get a free game with a variety of options but that's not good enough. If you want allll the options, pay for them.

You are damn right if I payed 200 bucks for something as fleeting and temporal as that founders pack I would want some exclusivity to justify that.

  Aerowyn

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3/03/13 9:00:02 AM#55
Originally posted by AliGenius

Lets see.. you get a free game with a variety of options but that's not good enough. If you want allll the options, pay for them.

You are damn right if I payed 200 bucks for something as fleeting and temporal as that founders pack I would want some exclusivity to justify that.

^ agreed

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  winter

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3/03/13 9:16:52 AM#56
Originally posted by AliGenius

Lets see.. you get a free game with a variety of options but that's not good enough. If you want allll the options, pay for them.

You are damn right if I payed 200 bucks for something as fleeting and temporal as that founders pack I would want some exclusivity to justify that.

  We want it all.

 We want it all for free!

and We want it all for free on rlease or the companys scum thats just out to nickle and dime us!

Seem to be the mantra of several of the posters in some of these threads (and not just for Neverwinter)

   Odd that some of these posters (cough*Burnvet*cough) Have made it more then clear they hate cryptic and Neverwinter and have no plans to play or support the game in anyway, yet they keep expressing their disappointment that theres not more free stuff for them to play with at release.

   The self entitled are very stronge these days i guess. Free or not some people are never happy unless they can complain/QQ.

  GrayGhost79

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3/03/13 9:49:32 AM#57
Originally posted by AliGenius

Lets see.. you get a free game with a variety of options but that's not good enough. If you want allll the options, pay for them.

You are damn right if I payed 200 bucks for something as fleeting and temporal as that founders pack I would want some exclusivity to justify that.

Menzo-Renegade is exclusive. 

 

Whats being dicussed is the basic Drow Race. So, while the decision did little to keep the Menzo-Renegade exclusive it did in turn upset a lot of people that wanted to play a normal Drow and yes, including those that spent $60 or so on the game (Not all, but it does appear to be a lot). 

 

But hey, it's better to ignore rational complaints and such and trumpet some "They want it all for free even though they spent money on the game as well"  mantra like a fool thinking you're making some point right?

  Aerowyn

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3/03/13 10:00:09 AM#58
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by AliGenius

Lets see.. you get a free game with a variety of options but that's not good enough. If you want allll the options, pay for them.

You are damn right if I payed 200 bucks for something as fleeting and temporal as that founders pack I would want some exclusivity to justify that.

Menzo-Renegade is exclusive. 

 

Whats being dicussed is the basic Drow Race. So, while the decision did little to keep the Menzo-Renegade exclusive it did in turn upset a lot of people that wanted to play a normal Drow and yes, including those that spent $60 or so on the game (Not all, but it does appear to be a lot). 

 

But hey, it's better to ignore rational complaints and such and trumpet some "They want it all for free even though they spent money on the game as well"  mantra like a fool thinking you're making some point right?

main thing is i don't think there is anything differen't appearence wise between the two, so to make that backstory feel exclusive they went this route.. drow model looks pretty bad in this game imho anyway ill stick to tiefling and dwarves heh

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  GrayGhost79

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Joined: 8/30/08
Posts: 4889

3/03/13 10:06:53 AM#59
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by AliGenius

Lets see.. you get a free game with a variety of options but that's not good enough. If you want allll the options, pay for them.

You are damn right if I payed 200 bucks for something as fleeting and temporal as that founders pack I would want some exclusivity to justify that.

Menzo-Renegade is exclusive. 

 

Whats being dicussed is the basic Drow Race. So, while the decision did little to keep the Menzo-Renegade exclusive it did in turn upset a lot of people that wanted to play a normal Drow and yes, including those that spent $60 or so on the game (Not all, but it does appear to be a lot). 

 

But hey, it's better to ignore rational complaints and such and trumpet some "They want it all for free even though they spent money on the game as well"  mantra like a fool thinking you're making some point right?

main thing is i don't think there is anything differen't appearence wise between the two, so to make that backstory feel exclusive they went this route.. drow model looks pretty bad in this game imho anyway ill stick to tiefling and dwarves heh

I'm not interested in the drow myself lol. My son is, he's a Drizzt fan. He actually did a charge back on the $60 pack because they decided to hold the drow back for 2 months lol. 

Me personally, I'm in it for the foundry and nothing more and don't plan on spending a penny on the game if I can avoid it, not because I'm cheap, I'm just not a big fan of Cryptic or PW. 

  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

3/03/13 10:11:38 AM#60
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by AliGenius

Lets see.. you get a free game with a variety of options but that's not good enough. If you want allll the options, pay for them.

You are damn right if I payed 200 bucks for something as fleeting and temporal as that founders pack I would want some exclusivity to justify that.

Menzo-Renegade is exclusive. 

 

Whats being dicussed is the basic Drow Race. So, while the decision did little to keep the Menzo-Renegade exclusive it did in turn upset a lot of people that wanted to play a normal Drow and yes, including those that spent $60 or so on the game (Not all, but it does appear to be a lot). 

 

But hey, it's better to ignore rational complaints and such and trumpet some "They want it all for free even though they spent money on the game as well"  mantra like a fool thinking you're making some point right?

main thing is i don't think there is anything differen't appearence wise between the two, so to make that backstory feel exclusive they went this route.. drow model looks pretty bad in this game imho anyway ill stick to tiefling and dwarves heh

I'm not interested in the drow myself lol. My son is, he's a Drizzt fan. He actually did a charge back on the $60 pack because they decided to hold the drow back for 2 months lol. 

Me personally, I'm in it for the foundry and nothing more and don't plan on spending a penny on the game if I can avoid it, not because I'm cheap, I'm just not a big fan of Cryptic or PW. 

heh has he actually played drow in this game though? they look and run horrid haha anyway yea foundry is main reason i'm interested in the game as well although from my testing it does have some fun missions and dungeons.. in my testing i found it enjoyable enough to put down $60 for the founders pack but not the $200

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

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