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  Nadia

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2/28/13 2:14:32 PM#61
Originally posted by PWN_FACE
Originally posted by birdycephon
Am I the only one here who has played BESM?

I don't know what BESM is. Please tell me about it and why you like it! I want to get as much info about pnp games as I can. I've found some really interesting stuff so far. 

its roleplaying in the anime universe - but i never played it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Eyes,_Small_Mouth

  Souldrainer

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2/28/13 3:02:23 PM#62
Originally posted by Jacxolope

 

-3rd edition probably had the most potential but failed miserably IMHO and tried to over monetize everything.

 

I kind of get what you're saying.  Too many splat books, but it is good in a way, because there is plenty of material out there to use for your campaign. Also because they NEEDED to monetize it, or the D&D franchise was going to die.  But on the other hand, it also has the Open Gaming License, which is the complete opposite of monetization.

 

2nd and 4th Editions were garbage IMO.  Both took some major steps backwards compared to their predecessors.

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  Greyface

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2/28/13 3:41:22 PM#63
Originally posted by Jacxolope

EDIT: @ Greyface- You are 100% right about mechanics and "house rules" in older games...But that was half the fun. A good DM wants to house rule, tweak and optimize the system to the group. "Balance" (as it were) is really not of the utmost importance in a P&P game-  With 3rd edition (and even Pathfinder, but to a lesser degree) tweaking one part of the system can often "break" the game. That isnt my only complaint about 3rd and 3.5 but it is a valid one.

True -- cooking up house rules was often a lot of fun.   Some games required it though, which is a lot to ask of someone brand new to the hobby.  I never actually played 3rd ed. DnD -- I went right from 2nd Ed. to Pathfinder -- but so far I've been able to stretch and bend PF without any problems.  The nice thing about that system is that it works as written -- nothing I've added was really necessary.   I agree about "balance" though -- one of the things I love about table-top RPGs is that the GM can tailor the difficulty on the fly to make up for weak or overpowered characters.  There's no reason for players to have to min-max the way they do in MMOs.

  asmkm22

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2/28/13 3:46:59 PM#64

I'm still a fan of AD&D 2nd edition.  The rules were pretty clunky since it was made before the concept of character balance really took root, but that only seemed to emphasize the fact that it was a role playing game, and not just a combat simulator.

3.5 was more polished, but I think it lost a lot of the flavor as a result.  4E is crap unless you literally want to run an MMO at your table.

The old Star Wars D6 system was pretty awesome, due to the simplicity.

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  Kaneth

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2/28/13 3:47:32 PM#65
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by PWN_FACE
Originally posted by birdycephon
Am I the only one here who has played BESM?

I don't know what BESM is. Please tell me about it and why you like it! I want to get as much info about pnp games as I can. I've found some really interesting stuff so far. 

its roleplaying in the anime universe - but i never played it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Eyes,_Small_Mouth

I used BESM to introduce people to pen and paper gaming. It was simplistic enough for people to understand, but had a great amount of depth hidden under.

The most recent iteration of a pen and paper I played was a little creation of mine. I used Hero Quest elements (gameboard and pieces) and made a modified ruleset for Final Fantasy Tactics, and ran little campaigns for friends. We basically wanted a pen and paper version of FFT, so I made one. It worked pretty well.

Because of that, I started to work on my own P&P game. I have a ton of iterations, but not a finished product, about 12 years after I started working on it. One of these days I'll get to a point where I can play test it.

  Nailzzz

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2/28/13 3:48:22 PM#66
I know a lot of people hate on it but if you can get past the rather borked mechanics and over emphasis on dice rolling and look at the actual story/background story of the game, RIFTS is actually my absolute favorite for most interesting story. I enjoy the story of it so much that I still purchase the books to read despite not having played the game in almost a decade.

I also really enjoyed Robotech, Nightbane, Palladium Fantasy, Cyberpunk 2020 (I'm old), and the Whitewolf games. Especially Vampire Masquerade and Dark Ages. (Not a LARPer).
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OP  2/28/13 7:35:19 PM#67
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by PWN_FACE
Originally posted by birdycephon
Am I the only one here who has played BESM?

I don't know what BESM is. Please tell me about it and why you like it! I want to get as much info about pnp games as I can. I've found some really interesting stuff so far. 

its roleplaying in the anime universe - but i never played it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Eyes,_Small_Mouth

Thank you, Nadia!

 

I have found a lot of great recommendations in this thread and bought quite a few books, but not nearly as many as I want to. 

 

QUESTION: Why don't they do more frequent re-prints? These books get so expensive. They can be 200-300 USD (or more) a pop.  If people are paying that much to buy the books used, I'm sure reprints could make money for the publishers. For example, the Shadowrun 20th anniversary core rulebook usually starts at $200. It looks like it has some really nice illustrations, etc. Fortunately, I could get the pdf online for $15. And fortunately, they will be coming out with a new 5th edition this year. I'm sure that's going to sell, so I will make sure to get my copy asap. 

  David_Lopan

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2/28/13 9:02:57 PM#68

QUESTION: Why don't they do more frequent re-prints? These books get so expensive. They can be 200-300 USD (or more) a pop.  If people are paying that much to buy the books used, I'm sure reprints could make money for the publishers. For example, the Shadowrun 20th anniversary core rulebook usually starts at $200. It looks like it has some really nice illustrations, etc. Fortunately, I could get the pdf online for $15. And fortunately, they will be coming out with a new 5th edition this year. I'm sure that's going to sell, so I will make sure to get my copy asap.

   Shadorwrun, I'm running a campaign right now. Great game. So many god damn sixer's!!!!

 

  

  Purutzil

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2/28/13 9:12:21 PM#69
Pathfinder for me, hands down. DnD 4th just went far down hill. Pathfinder isn't perfect but its as close to it as they come.
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