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  CalmOceans

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OP  2/28/13 5:18:07 AM#1

I just returned my G600 MMO mouse for a G500 again, the thing is just too big and you end up with cramps in your pinky after using it, apparently I'm not the only one because many people complain about cramps in their fingers after using both the Naga MMO or the G600 MMO mice.

Using a mouse to game is comfortable if you click a few buttons, but MMO have added too many abilities and became a wack-a-mole game, and now we have these ridiculous contraptions:

 

They are uncomfortable, they cause pain in the hands of some people, and I find them very annoying to use as a daily mouse when I'm not playing MMO.

Why can't MMO make controls that are not button mashing fests.

  timtrack

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2/28/13 6:06:16 AM#2

I use both the G600 and Naga back and forth. I think both of them are great and i never get any cramp from them. They fit very comfortably in my hand. I have had a slight pain in my thumb a few times after extreme gaming sessions (like a week or more of spending the majority of my awake hours mashing the thumb buttons), but that's pretty natural.

I tried the Corsair M90 as well, which looks good on paper, but the buttons were just to hard for me and it was really hard to feel exactly where i was with the thumb.

I tend to only use the first 1-6 buttons on the Naga/G600 since the other ones are really out of reach for comfortable and accurate use. I sometimes use the other ones for trivial tasks that doesn't benefit much from super-reflex-timing (like taking out a mount).

In general i think these mice are a great development. I wish there were more options with well-placed comfortable buttons. I also wish there were more keyboard options like Steelseries Merc. Almost nobody seems to pick up on specialized gaming layouts. I really dislike the layout of the traditional WSAD and i'm pretty sure it's not the optimal gaming layout, especially since it wasn't design for it in the first place.

I have yet to try Mad Catz MMO7 and i'm curious about it. But i'm a bit sceptical. It's a bit overpriced as well.

  CalmOceans

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OP  2/28/13 6:13:19 AM#3
Originally posted by timtrack

I have yet to try Mad Catz MMO7 and i'm curious about it. But i'm a bit sceptical. It's a bit overpriced as well.

I was looking at it since it's supposed to be customizable, but it has the same problem the G600 has for me.

From PCWorld: http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/reviews/cyborg-mmo-7

"Despite all the customisation, I couldn’t find a way to reduce the overall width of the mouse, and I couldn’t make it comfortable for long stretches of play. It’s not like I have tiny-girl-hands, either, but I could manage no more than two hours at a time. For an MMO mouse, that’s a killer blow. The last thing you want while raiding is a hand cramp."

  Aerowyn

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2/28/13 6:15:56 AM#4
MMO mice are horrible IMHO...I use g700 with g13..g700 has 10 easy to access buttons, then you can set the g13 thumbstick to shift or alt or Ctrl or whatever 4 functions you want.. This gives me fast and easy access to 50 abilities on my mouse.. Would never need that many but option is there and easy

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  CalmOceans

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OP  2/28/13 6:21:26 AM#5
Originally posted by Aerowyn
MMO mice are horrible IMHO...I use g700 with g13..g700 has 10 easy to access buttons, then you can set the g13 thumbstick to shift or alt or Ctrl or whatever 4 functions you want.. This gives me fast and easy access to 50 abilities on my mouse.. Would never need that many but option is there and easy

I always considered a G13 because I could use it with my tablet when drawing, the wacom buttons are clumsy to press.

  Squeak69

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2/28/13 6:25:29 AM#6

i absolutly luv my G600 and wont even look at any other mouse.

the prob is MMOmouses have a learning curve and are not for everybody, but for alot of people they are great.

dousnt mean your wrong just that i dont agree with you mouses are like cars everyone has diffrent taste and you should use what your comfterble with.

 

one question though , how did you pinky get ccramped, you dont use a pinky with MMO mouses?

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  Caldrin

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2/28/13 6:27:21 AM#7
errm just use your keyboard like we have for years.. lets not dump mmos down even more.

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  CalmOceans

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OP  2/28/13 6:28:23 AM#8
one question though , how did you pinky get ccramped, you dont use a pinky with MMO mouses?

the width and size

you can see on this picture that unlike normal mice your ring finger and pinky will not be next to the mouse, only your pinky will  be and it will be far to the side of the mouse, each time you move your mouse (with your pinky by pushing it) you stress your pinky

a normal mouse keeps your hands nicely in a normal position, this mouse seperates your pinky from the rest of your fingers completely because of the extra side button, the size, the bulge on top to fit the extra buttons

after a few weeks that started resulting in cramps in my pinky, once I stopped using the mouse the cramps went away

  Squeak69

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cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

2/28/13 6:29:25 AM#9
Originally posted by Caldrin
errm just use your keyboard like we have for years.. lets not dump mmos down even more.

:p actually i use a MMO mouse and a gameing pad so i hae even more button at my disposal, and i use them for more then just MMOs FPS are great when tehy got alot of weapons and powers tos swap betweeen dont have to take my fingers off movement keys to hit a num button

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  Squeak69

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cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

2/28/13 6:34:33 AM#10
Originally posted by CalmOceans
one question though , how did you pinky get ccramped, you dont use a pinky with MMO mouses?

the width and size

you can see on this picture that unlike normal mice your ring finger and pinky will not be next to the mouse, only your pinky will  be and it will be far to the side of the mouse, each time you move your mouse (with your pinky by pushing it) you stress your pinky

after a few weeks that started resulting in cramps in my pinky, once I stopped using the mouse the cramps went away

hmm now that you mention it i do vaguely rember something like that but i just figured it was due to a diffrence in position my hand wasnt used to, never rally gots cramps just a little sore every now and then the first week i used it.

of course since im a prof cook,miniture painter, and trained masseuse i have pretty strong finger muscles. so i might have taken less time to adjust

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  Caldrin

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2/28/13 6:35:24 AM#11
Originally posted by Squeak69
Originally posted by Caldrin
errm just use your keyboard like we have for years.. lets not dump mmos down even more.

:p actually i use a MMO mouse and a gameing pad so i hae even more button at my disposal, and i use them for more then just MMOs FPS are great when tehy got alot of weapons and powers tos swap betweeen dont have to take my fingers off movement keys to hit a num button

well dont get me wrong my mouse has 8 buttons but thats all  i need on my mouse... ive been gaming for years so im pertty fast at hitting keys no the keyboard and i tend to re-map keys that i need close to my fingers..

 

I dont see the need to have half a keyboard on a mouse tho haha :)

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  CalmOceans

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OP  2/28/13 6:35:29 AM#12
Originally posted by Caldrin
errm just use your keyboard like we have for years.. lets not dump mmos down even more.

you really can't raid by using keyboard controls, even on my G500 I need all the buttons I can get to launch abilities, keyboard is way too slow

  Squeak69

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cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

2/28/13 6:36:52 AM#13
Originally posted by CalmOceans
Originally posted by Caldrin
errm just use your keyboard like we have for years.. lets not dump mmos down even more.

you really can't raid by using keyboard controls, even on my G500 I need all the buttons I can get to launch abilities, keyboard is way too slow

agreed even though its only a few sec takeing your fingers off the mouse or movement keys is long enough ta fgall behiond or get ya killed

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  FARGIN_WAR

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2/28/13 6:50:04 AM#14
Originally posted by CalmOceans

I just returned my G600 MMO mouse for a G500 again, the thing is just too big and you end up with cramps in your pinky after using it, apparently I'm not the only one because many people complain about cramps in their fingers after using both the Naga MMO or the G600 MMO mice.

Using a mouse to game is comfortable if you click a few buttons, but MMO have added too many abilities and became a wack-a-mole game, and now we have these ridiculous contraptions:

They are uncomfortable, they cause pain in the hands of some people, and I find them very annoying to use as a daily mouse when I'm not playing MMO.

Why can't MMO make controls that are not button mashing fests.

Goddamed right! The last thing we need in MMOs are more choices. Lets sieve the control and power sets down to three buttons so these poor people don't get all tuckered out by having to "work" too hard in a video game.

Since millions of people apperently play these kinds of game daily without screaming for mercy I'm thinking the real problem is less the games controls sucking and more these new mice are poorly designed ergonomically.

So sorry but I find your bashing and demanding a change for the entire gaming control structure just so you don't have to worry about cramps in your pinky to be more than a bit unreasonable. Doubly so when I remember you are the person who was touting how wonderful it was your guild banned parents with younger children due to it messing with your raid schedual. Nice to see when its someone else with an issue they need to suck it up and get with the program, but when you find yourself in a situation where something doesn't go your way the whole world needs to stop what its doing and dance for your pleasure.

 

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  CalmOceans

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OP  2/28/13 7:01:16 AM#15
Originally posted by FARGIN_WAR

Goddamed right! The last thing we need in MMOs are more choices. Lets sieve the control and power sets down to three buttons so these poor people don't get all tuckered out by having to "work" too hard in a video game.

Since millions of people apperently play these kinds of game daily without screaming for mercy I'm thinking the real problem is less the games controls sucking and more these new mice are poorly designed ergonomically.

So sorry but I find your bashing and demanding a change for the entire gaming control structure just so you don't have to worry about cramps in your pinky to be more than a bit unreasonable. Doubly so when I remember you are the person who was touting how wonderful it was your guild banned parents with younger children due to it messing with your raid schedual. Nice to see when its someone else with an issue they need to suck it up and get with the program, but when you find yourself in a situation where something doesn't go your way the whole world needs to stop what its doing and dance for your pleasure.

wow

  FARGIN_WAR

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2/28/13 8:18:18 AM#16
Originally posted by CalmOceans
Originally posted by FARGIN_WAR

Goddamed right! The last thing we need in MMOs are more choices. Lets sieve the control and power sets down to three buttons so these poor people don't get all tuckered out by having to "work" too hard in a video game.

Since millions of people apperently play these kinds of game daily without screaming for mercy I'm thinking the real problem is less the games controls sucking and more these new mice are poorly designed ergonomically.

So sorry but I find your bashing and demanding a change for the entire gaming control structure just so you don't have to worry about cramps in your pinky to be more than a bit unreasonable. Doubly so when I remember you are the person who was touting how wonderful it was your guild banned parents with younger children due to it messing with your raid schedual. Nice to see when its someone else with an issue they need to suck it up and get with the program, but when you find yourself in a situation where something doesn't go your way the whole world needs to stop what its doing and dance for your pleasure.

wow

Well sorry, but when you post in such absoloutes, rather immature and inciting thread title, seeming to think that because something doesn't work for you then it can't work for anyone else, that's about the best your going to get from me.

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  Icewhite

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2/28/13 8:26:07 AM#17

Dig out the ol' G9 again. Can't go wrong with a classic.

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  dave6660

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2/28/13 8:29:53 AM#18

To hell with mice.

Let's start working on holodecks!

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  DMKano

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2/28/13 8:31:25 AM#19

Those mice are terrible - I use a nostromo and mechanical keyboard, and a comfy mouse.

The side buttons on a mouse are just not for me.

  FARGIN_WAR

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2/28/13 8:37:41 AM#20
Originally posted by DMKano

Those mice are terrible - I use a nostromo and mechanical keyboard, and a comfy mouse.

The side buttons on a mouse are just not for me.

Yeah I've got an old Wolf King Warrior game pad and I love it, but its about worn out. I'm looking at upgrading to either a Nostromo or a Razer Orbweaver.

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