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  niceguy3978

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2/27/13 6:19:34 PM#21
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by vmoped

What is funny in this thread is how many people posted without even reading the OP, and constantly restated what I put in the original post as if it wasn't there.... my my...

Cheers!

i read OP but source i got says something else so i dunno things may or may not change we shall see... i'd expect control wizard to be in by launch.. but again nothing is set in stone till launch

This is what the Faq linked to says.  I highlighted the important part in red, which is what the OP is talking about.

 

What Races are available in Neverwinter?

The current options are Human, Elf, Half-Elf, Tiefling, Drow, Dwarf, Halfling, and Half-Orc. For full descriptions and pictures, check out our Races page here. Please note that Menzo-Renegade Drow will be exclusive toHero of the North Pack purchasers, while regular drow will become available for everyone after 60 days post-launch.


Will it cost ZEN to unlock additional Races and Classes?

All the available races at launch will be free. We are planning to release the regular Drow for free post-launch (after at least 60 days to allow for Founder's Pack exclusivity). Note that only the regular Drow race will become available; the Menzoberranzen Renegade will always remain exclusive to Hero of the North Pack purchases.

Details regarding additional classes and races should be announced soon!

Yea i know I read the faq... but faqs and stuff changes.. so won't know for sure till launch

Well you said the OP source said something else, so I was pointing out that it says what he claims it said.

  Aerowyn

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2/27/13 6:21:57 PM#22
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Aerowyn
 

Well you said the OP source said something else, so I was pointing out that it says what he claims it said.

nope read again I said "my" source:)

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  Dreamo84

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2/27/13 6:30:30 PM#23

Don't see the big deal. It is a F2P game after all. An exlusive race for 60 days with a $200 founders pack is not exactly horrible.

Why do people always focus on what they are not getting for free, rather than what they are?

  User Deleted
2/27/13 6:33:50 PM#24
Originally posted by Fendel84M

Don't see the big deal. It is a F2P game after all. An exlusive race for 60 days with a $200 founders pack is not exactly horrible.

Why do people always focus on what they are not getting for free, rather than what they are?

Exactly.  

I just wish they would lead with the information rather than changing mid-stream.  Which is what they are kind of doing right now.

  Asm0deus

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2/28/13 12:44:44 AM#25
Originally posted by jdnyc
Originally posted by Fendel84M

Don't see the big deal. It is a F2P game after all. An exlusive race for 60 days with a $200 founders pack is not exactly horrible.

Why do people always focus on what they are not getting for free, rather than what they are?

Exactly.  

I just wish they would lead with the information rather than changing mid-stream.  Which is what they are kind of doing right now.

It's not such a big deal but then some people bought the 60$ pack with the knowledge that the drow race was free from the start like the other races. The mods even pointed out that hero purchaser got the menzo background exclusivity and that the drow race was free.  There never was mention of the drow race being exclusive to hero packs for 60 days.

Like I said previously this is either a very shady marketing technique or lawyer manouvering for shitty wording in the heros pack.

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  Dragonfish

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2/28/13 9:36:47 AM#26

Just to clarify, there is a new sticky on the official forums. They spelled it out in plain english finally so people stop arguing.

 

1. The Drow race will NOT be available to anyone but the $200 Hero package owners for  AT LEAST 60 days. This does not mean the backstory, but the ENTIRE RACE. Not even the $60 Guardian package owners can play Drow.

2. They made this decision internally some time ago, and decided not to make it public because they KNEW it would be an unpopular decision. This is their words, not mine.

 

Yes, this is a free to play game but as other posters already mentioned, Cryptic has stated numerous times in the past that the Drow race would be available free at launch to all players. Now they are at it again with typical cryptic crap (STO Klingon anyone?) and I know it's just going to get worse. I was actually going to give them $60 just to support the game but after this I'll have a really hard time coughing up the cash.

  tokini

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2/28/13 10:20:06 AM#27
Originally posted by Dragonfish

 

2. They made this decision internally some time ago, and decided not to make it public because they KNEW it would be an unpopular decision. This is their words, not mine.

 

 

i dont care that they withold certain things or make others 'founder' exclusive, but this right here is a shady and incredibly stupid way to do business, if true.  

  User Deleted
2/28/13 11:54:55 AM#28
Originally posted by Dragonfish

Just to clarify, there is a new sticky on the official forums. They spelled it out in plain english finally so people stop arguing.

 

1. The Drow race will NOT be available to anyone but the $200 Hero package owners for  AT LEAST 60 days. This does not mean the backstory, but the ENTIRE RACE. Not even the $60 Guardian package owners can play Drow.

2. They made this decision internally some time ago, and decided not to make it public because they KNEW it would be an unpopular decision. This is their words, not mine.

 

Yes, this is a free to play game but as other posters already mentioned, Cryptic has stated numerous times in the past that the Drow race would be available free at launch to all players. Now they are at it again with typical cryptic crap (STO Klingon anyone?) and I know it's just going to get worse. I was actually going to give them $60 just to support the game but after this I'll have a really hard time coughing up the cash.

got a link?

  Squeak69

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2/28/13 12:01:22 PM#29
Originally posted by Dragonfish

Just to clarify, there is a new sticky on the official forums. They spelled it out in plain english finally so people stop arguing.

 

1. The Drow race will NOT be available to anyone but the $200 Hero package owners for  AT LEAST 60 days. This does not mean the backstory, but the ENTIRE RACE. Not even the $60 Guardian package owners can play Drow.

2. They made this decision internally some time ago, and decided not to make it public because they KNEW it would be an unpopular decision. This is their words, not mine.

 

Yes, this is a free to play game but as other posters already mentioned, Cryptic has stated numerous times in the past that the Drow race would be available free at launch to all players. Now they are at it again with typical cryptic crap (STO Klingon anyone?) and I know it's just going to get worse. I was actually going to give them $60 just to support the game but after this I'll have a really hard time coughing up the cash.

err sto klingons where level locked not cash shop locked, you could make one at level 20, this being because klingons started at level 20

 

and once agian i would like some proof as to your statement about drow, as i have friends it would be iportant to to know but i wont rely such a message without proof

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  Acidon

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2/28/13 12:01:46 PM#30
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG

I don't even know why people even wants to play drow...

 

It will be pretty annoying to see half the population running around with dual scimitars trying to be Dizzt to be honest, lol

 

I would never *shudder* try to be drizzt, but damn.. who wouldn't like to be a drow?

 

I guess I'm just a D&D nerd.

 

As to the point, I don't plan on playing this (strike that) game.

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  aerinndis

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2/28/13 12:12:05 PM#31

If they seriously launch without a wizard class, I will lose all enthusiasm about this game. I've no desire to play a melee or cleric class.

No regular Drow at launch (as they previously stated would be and have now backed out on) is a poor decision. I personally don't care about playing Drow, but know people who will only play Drow.

  winter

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2/28/13 12:14:38 PM#32
Originally posted by sea.shell

Can someone please think of the halflings!

  Halflings are crunchy and taste good  with ketchup.

  augustgrace

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2/28/13 12:19:52 PM#33

I think the bigger issue is how the information got out.  When the packs first went on sale people were told the vanilla drow would be available to everyone at launch.  On 2/20 one of the mods went in and edited the faq.  (Drow weren't the only change, more in a minute).

On 2/25 someone noticed the ninja edit to the faq and started a thread.  Eventually it would be confirmed that a change in policy on the vanialla drow had been made.  When asked why they quietly changed the faq and didn't make an announcement, it was insisted that a change to the faq constituted an official announcement, BUT they deliberately didn't draw attention to the change because they anticipated a negative reaction.

On the Drow-

Menzo Renegade will be available at launch, Vanilla Drow AT LEAST 60 days latter.  This has been confirmed now several times, by different people.

Other Changes-

Halfling dissapeared from the official launch race list, and was replaced with Half-orc.  The mods do appear to be a bit confused about this change, so it may very well simply be a mistake.

The control wizard is no longer considered "officially announced," despite an official class video and the announcement that they will be in the next beta weekend.  When asked what was going one we got a lot of cagey lawyer talk, then a mod finally confessed that the CW has been rejected by the Alpha testers several times now.

 

While the change for vanilla Drow is shady, the bigger issue is the sneaky way they "announced" the change.  Quietly editing a faq that everyone has already read, is cowardly and dirty.  I couldn't care less about the vanilla Drow, but I do care very much about a company that wants my money, deliberately misleading its customers.

  McGamer

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2/28/13 1:03:52 PM#34
Originally posted by vmoped

FAQ: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?18401-Neverwinter-Extended-FAQ&p=297621&viewfull=1#post297621

Discussion thread on official forum: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?61791-Drow-elf-not-available-for-at-least-60-days-after-release-wizard-future-unsure

There has been a bit of an uproar over the updated FAQ to NWO in which the drow will be exclusive to Hero of the North Founder pack for at least 60 days post launch.  The control wizard is also not listed as one of the launch classes either, leading to forum speculation that it may not initially make launch now.

The good news is the half-orc is confirmed as a playable race for launch.

Cheers!

There is not an "uproar", but it keeps being brought up because a few people keep starting threads complaining about it. New races get added in expansions all the time and people always have to start over when trying the new race, big deal. 

If it is really bothering the ones who don't get the unlock, then support Cryptic with the Founder packs. Because the only income Cryptic will be making is from the cash shop after launch since the game will be free to download and free to play. Cryptic employees have to earn a living just like anyone else.

  McGamer

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2/28/13 1:05:20 PM#35
Originally posted by augustgrace

I think the bigger issue is how the information got out.  When the packs first went on sale people were told the vanilla drow would be available to everyone at launch.  On 2/20 one of the mods went in and edited the faq.  (Drow weren't the only change, more in a minute).

On 2/25 someone noticed the ninja edit to the faq and started a thread.  Eventually it would be confirmed that a change in policy on the vanialla drow had been made.  When asked why they quietly changed the faq and didn't make an announcement, it was insisted that a change to the faq constituted an official announcement, BUT they deliberately didn't draw attention to the change because they anticipated a negative reaction.

On the Drow-

Menzo Renegade will be available at launch, Vanilla Drow AT LEAST 60 days latter.  This has been confirmed now several times, by different people.

Other Changes-

Halfling dissapeared from the official launch race list, and was replaced with Half-orc.  The mods do appear to be a bit confused about this change, so it may very well simply be a mistake.

The control wizard is no longer considered "officially announced," despite an official class video and the announcement that they will be in the next beta weekend.  When asked what was going one we got a lot of cagey lawyer talk, then a mod finally confessed that the CW has been rejected by the Alpha testers several times now.

 

While the change for vanilla Drow is shady, the bigger issue is the sneaky way they "announced" the change.  Quietly editing a faq that everyone has already read, is cowardly and dirty.  I couldn't care less about the vanilla Drow, but I do care very much about a company that wants my money, deliberately misleading its customers.

It is not sneaky how they changed their advertisements about what will be in at launch. It's called beta for a reason. 

  aerinndis

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2/28/13 1:14:13 PM#36
Originally posted by Czanrei

If it is really bothering the ones who don't get the unlock, then support Cryptic with the Founder packs. Because the only income Cryptic will be making is from the cash shop after launch since the game will be free to download and free to play. Cryptic employees have to earn a living just like anyone else.

 

No way would I pay $200 just to access a race. That's ludicrous. Perhaps if they were selling the Drow race on its own for a reasonable price in the cash shop at launch. Besides, the Drow that comes with the Hero pack is the Menzoberranzan Renegade background. Just the plain vanilla Drow was always going to be free.

But like I said, I don't care about playing a Drow. I just think it's a mistake on their part to not include them, as Drow are really popular, and some people simply won't play if they can't make the race they wanted. They even know it's an unpopular decision. It just doesn't make much sense to me.

  Vorthanion

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2/28/13 1:15:11 PM#37
Originally posted by tokini
Originally posted by Dragonfish

 

2. They made this decision internally some time ago, and decided not to make it public because they KNEW it would be an unpopular decision. This is their words, not mine.

 

 

i dont care that they withold certain things or make others 'founder' exclusive, but this right here is a shady and incredibly stupid way to do business, if true.  

Cryptic never fails to pull some kind of shenanigan to make themselves look bad.  They've done this over and over with every game they've made, pre-release and after.  Hell, they really garnered a bad repuation after City of Heroes released and they went through with game changing nerfs that cost them huge numbers of subscribers and they never bothered to reverse them.  They pride themselves on being obstinate, combative and condescending toward their customers.  Kind of like Brad McQuaid and Mark Jacobs, Raph Koster and Matt Firor.

  augustgrace

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2/28/13 1:21:30 PM#38
Originally posted by Czanrei
 

It is not sneaky how they changed their advertisements about what will be in at launch. It's called beta for a reason. 

I'm not sure you understand what sneaky means.

sneaky - marked by quiet and caution and secrecy; taking pains to avoid being observed; "a furtive manner"; "a sneak attack"; "stealthy footsteps"; "a surreptitious glance at his watch"

 

Going in and editing an old faq and deliberately not drawing attention to the change, is the very definition of sneaky.  They even admit they did it all stealthy style, because they didn't want to deal with the reaction.

And yes the game is still in beta, but 1) changes should be announced, and 2) money has changed hands which creates a certain level of responsibility in relation to how testers (now customers) are treated.

  Squeak69

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2/28/13 1:33:33 PM#39

tracked it down the offical qoute on it, friends will be pissed,

called it like a month ago

wont say i told you so cause i dont wanna die

 

dousnt really bother me ill just add this to my ever increaseing list of reasons i dont think this game will be any better then the rest of cryptics/PW cash grab express games.

i should know i was burned twice by them neer agian

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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2/28/13 1:49:37 PM#40

Here's the thread where a moderator chips in.

And the quote:

 

[quote]-Halfling may be an oversight...and Half-Orc a bit of a leak because that hasn't been officially revealed...


-Again, may be an oversight. However I can tell you that the Alpha Testers have sent the poor wizard back to the drawing board at least four times as stated by Crypticmapolis in the NOCS. If he's not in at launch it's because he's not ready.

-In house it has been decided for a while. It was officially revealed, it just didn't get a huge banner stating 'read this to get angry' 
This was of course going to be an unpopular decision. As mean as it sounds it wouldn't make sense to point it out and have the forums blow up like they are currently...and likely will continue to through the 60 days past launch.[/quote]

 

My personal issue with it is that:

 

1. Drow and "Drizzt clone (Menzo renegade)" are two separate races (per the game files). Drow will just be disabled for everyone. This is contrary to official forum information posted prior to the edit to the FAQ. Thus, there is no "exclusivity" for $200 package peeps. They don't get the "drow" race either.

 

2. Repeated live streams, interviews, and dev statements (even in answer to the numerous questions on the forums asking "so I have to pay $200 to play drow?" has always stated it would be in for free, at launch. That race specifically was mentioned as free at launch. Then they suddenly change it. Makes you wonder what else might be suddenly changed (this is not "feature isn't ready, we'll have it ready after launch" stuff that I normally understand, but purely some weird marketing guy adding value to the $200 pack - but it doesn't...)

 

3. Have you ever, in your life, heard of a fantasy MMO launching without a wizard class of some sort? Much less a single DnD title. I mean, ever? If it's not ready, you just delay launch until it is. Just as if the fighter wasn't ready for launch, a rogue, or a cleric. I'd consider it a basic feature, myself.

 

Bottom line: Ninja edit of the FAQ is actually worse than the whole Klingon debacle, and hearing from the mod (not even a paid employee) that it was intentionally done that way because of the uproar that might happen really doesn't inspire me with confidence in the dev team.

 

I'd like to note these statements are from a player who does not want to play drow, at any point, before or after launch. There's honesty, and delivering what you promise. Then there's this, whatever that is.

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