Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by Iselin

Originally posted by timtrack

In the past: "This game does not appeal to me, i shall ignore it and move on to follow games that do appeal to me."

 

Now: "This game does not appeal to me, it should be changed to my liking or i will make posts on every forum on the internet about how this game is worse than Hitler."

 Roflmao...good one :)

Although zeni is making the game, Bethesda has always welcomed fan feedback.  I can't help it that the DAoC fans or ESO supporters get angry at us for voicing our concerns.  The whole thing escalates because anyone who says something against the current design is attacked and made to look like a fanatic.  Half of my frustration has nothing to do with the game but the sheep who blindly support it.

Much more than half of my frustration comes from the humorless zealotry evidenced by some of the critics in this forum. There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism but that's not what I see in this particular forum day after day.

timtrack nailed it.

Originally posted by timtrack

In the past: "This game does not appeal to me, i shall ignore it and move on to follow games that do appeal to me."

 

Now: "This game does not appeal to me, it should be changed to my liking or i will make posts on every forum on the internet about how this game is worse than Hitler."

LOL, right on. The White Knights will save us all.

Originally posted by Caliburn101

It seems to me, and a lot of other people too, that TESO is not a true successor to TES, it is an attempt to reskin DAoC.

This might be entirely unfair.

It might not.

The key here is how many of the beloved core elements of TES have been compromised by the beloved elements of DAoC.

What do you think?

Caliburn, after your repeated threads you just come off as bitter. 

I feel pity that you have nothing else in your life to do, but try and knockdown a game that has not yet been released.

Originally posted by timtrack

In the past: "This game does not appeal to me, i shall ignore it and move on to follow games that do appeal to me."

 

Now: "This game does not appeal to me, it should be changed to my liking or i will make posts on every forum on the internet about how this game is worse than Hitler."

What I find the most hopeful is that we finally have more than one game to discuss and assorted relics to pine for.

But TESO seems to be setting themselves up to take it from both ends... two sets of disenchanted fans, rather than the more normal one.

Originally posted by fs23otm

Caliburn, after your repeated threads you just come off as bitter. 

I feel pity that you have nothing else in your life to do, but try and knockdown a game that has not yet been released.

...and you're saying he comes off as bitter?

TES is a great series and not all of us can just sit around and watch them screw up an iconic franchise.

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by fs23otm

Caliburn, after your repeated threads you just come off as bitter. 

I feel pity that you have nothing else in your life to do, but try and knockdown a game that has not yet been released.

...and you're saying he comes off as bitter?

TES is a great series and not all of us can just sit around and watch them screw up an iconic franchise.

And guess what, all your whines and threats mean nothing.

The Devs know how to make a game better then you do... bottomline.

Don't like it then don't play...

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by fs23otm

Caliburn, after your repeated threads you just come off as bitter. 

I feel pity that you have nothing else in your life to do, but try and knockdown a game that has not yet been released.

...and you're saying he comes off as bitter?

TES is a great series and not all of us can just sit around and watch them screw up an iconic franchise.

Last I checked, Bethesda isn't going to quit making TES games just because another company has put out an MMO, so I'm not sure how this game could ruin a franchise.

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by fs23otm

Caliburn, after your repeated threads you just come off as bitter. 

I feel pity that you have nothing else in your life to do, but try and knockdown a game that has not yet been released.

...and you're saying he comes off as bitter?

TES is a great series and not all of us can just sit around and watch them screw up an iconic franchise.

But you see, no one is screwing up an iconic franchise.

It is only a few, loud, deluded individuals who believe only they know the correct way to pay homage to TES in an MMO... and they can't even agree amongst themselves on the true way to do it.

Originally posted by h0urg1ass

Originally posted by sapphen

TES is a great series and not all of us can just sit around and watch them screw up an iconic franchise.

Last I checked, Bethesda isn't going to quit making TES games just because another company has put out an MMO, so I'm not sure how this game could ruin a franchise.

That's fair, I didn't really mean to say they would ruin the entire franchise but I see how it reads like that.  Many Elder Scrolls fans have been waiting for a real TES MMO for a long time and instead we're getting a knock-off.

Originally posted by Iselin

But you see, no one is screwing up an iconic franchise.

It is only a few, loud, deluded individuals who believe only they know the correct way to pay homage to TES in an MMO... and they can't even agree amongst themselves on the true way to do it.

So you know the opinions of the silent majority?

Originally posted by Iselin

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by fs23otm

Caliburn, after your repeated threads you just come off as bitter. 

I feel pity that you have nothing else in your life to do, but try and knockdown a game that has not yet been released.

...and you're saying he comes off as bitter?

TES is a great series and not all of us can just sit around and watch them screw up an iconic franchise.

But you see, no one is screwing up an iconic franchise.

It is only a few, loud, deluded individuals who believe only they know the correct way to pay homage to TES in an MMO... and they can't even agree amongst themselves on the true way to do it.

 Yeah, its funny reading these threads.

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by Iselin

But you see, no one is screwing up an iconic franchise.

It is only a few, loud, deluded individuals who believe only they know the correct way to pay homage to TES in an MMO... and they can't even agree amongst themselves on the true way to do it.

So you know the opinions of the silent majority?

Lol...there's nothing silent about you guys with your self-righteous indignation. I'm in the minority apparently...at least as far as I can tell from the contents of this forum.

Originally posted by sapphen

So you know the opinions of the silent majority?

No, we just know how to be rational and understand that to have faith in developers. Will TESO be the best MMO ever? I don't know that. Will it be the worst? I don't know either, but from what I have seen it won't.

I understand that I control my actions, not the actions of the developer, publisher, etc. If I don't agree with their decisions, I don't buy the game. That hurts their bottom line.

No developer is gonna to make a major change in their game at the 11th hour. That is what most of the negative posts want them to do. They want Zenimax to change the game to meet their expectations. That is my problem with the OP. This is not his frist thread like this.

Originally posted by Iselin

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by Iselin

But you see, no one is screwing up an iconic franchise.

It is only a few, loud, deluded individuals who believe only they know the correct way to pay homage to TES in an MMO... and they can't even agree amongst themselves on the true way to do it.

So you know the opinions of the silent majority?

Lol...there's nothing silent about you guys with your self-righteous indignation. I'm in the minority apparently...at least as far as I can tell from the contents of this forum.

So you think you're any different than us?  You say that if we don't like the game, don't play it - if you don't like what we have to say then don't read it... it's as simple as that.

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by Iselin

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by Iselin

But you see, no one is screwing up an iconic franchise.

It is only a few, loud, deluded individuals who believe only they know the correct way to pay homage to TES in an MMO... and they can't even agree amongst themselves on the true way to do it.

So you know the opinions of the silent majority?

Lol...there's nothing silent about you guys with your self-righteous indignation. I'm in the minority apparently...at least as far as I can tell from the contents of this forum.

So you think you're any different than us?  You say that if we don't like the game, don't play it - if you don't like what we have to say then don't read it... it's as simple as that.

No it's not that simple. I feel a compulsion to counteract bullshit and self-righteousness wherever I see it. I know, it's a personal failing. I'm like Don Quijote that way I guess.

Originally posted by Iselin

No it's not that simple. I feel a compulsion to counteract bullshit and self-righteousness wherever I see it. I know, it's a personal failing. I'm like Don Quijote that way I guess.

Iselin, I will be your Sancho Panza!

There is no identity crisis.

People need to understand that a MMORPG is not able to match a singleplayer experiance, it needs to be something different set in a familiar universe. But to expect a similar game like the singleplayer series would only become a much larger let down.

It's actually a shame that people seem to want  a similar ingame experiance like the singleplayer games. I'd say just enjoy and love our singleplayer games and a MMORPG should be something different. My vote would be a sandbox virtual world TESO game, but atleast they are trying to give us gamers a different experiance.

Gamers should actually sallut them for bringing us something different.

Try really hard to think what it excactly is that makes you love The Elder Scroll series, sure allot of it's feature's, but doesn't it all boil down to how every thing you do in their games truly effects the world/npc's around you?

Now how do some of you imagine this to work when every single player in your MMO game world wants to effect the whole ingameworld? Well seems like a easy answer.....PVP, especially the way they seem to go about it. They try to make the world have cause/effect.

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by h0urg1ass

Originally posted by sapphen

TES is a great series and not all of us can just sit around and watch them screw up an iconic franchise.

Last I checked, Bethesda isn't going to quit making TES games just because another company has put out an MMO, so I'm not sure how this game could ruin a franchise.

That's fair, I didn't really mean to say they would ruin the entire franchise but I see how it reads like that.  Many Elder Scrolls fans have been waiting for a real TES MMO for a long time and instead we're getting a knock-off.

If you really believe it's a knock-off then you won't buy it. At this point, since you can do nothing to change what's already in motion, literally the loudest protest the developers will hear is the silence of their cash registers. So that once again begs the question what one hopes to accomplish starting a new thread every single day regarding the same or similar topics that have been voiced already.

Originally posted by Reklaw

There is no identity crisis.

People need to understand that a MMORPG is not able to match a singleplayer experiance, it needs to be something different set in a familiar universe. But to expect a similar game like the singleplayer series would only become a much larger let down.

It's actually a shame that people seem to want  a similar ingame experiance like the singleplayer games. I'd say just enjoy and love our singleplayer games and a MMORPG should be something different. My vote would be a sandbox virtual world TESO game, but atleast they are trying to give us gamers a different experiance.

Gamers should actually sallut them for bringing us something different.

Try really hard to think what it excactly is that makes you love The Elder Scroll series, sure allot of it's feature's, but doesn't it all boil down to how every thing you do in their games truly effects the world/npc's around you?

Now how do some of you imagine this to work when every single player in your MMO game world wants to effect the whole ingameworld? Well seems like a easy answer.....PVP, especially the way they seem to go about it. They try to make the world have cause/effect.

 

Good post.

Ironically, my favorite sandboxy feature of TES dissappeared from the single player games after the first couple of instalments--the spellmaker... where you could custom make any spell you dreamt of with primary and secondary effects. I hated seeing that go but I understood that it was really tough to balance and it wasn't a deal breaker for me in the end.

The parts of the Elder Scrolls that I consider essential are the world, its races and the history. This is intact (although some here rage even about that..elves are too pretty now, don't ya know.) The gameplay mechanics, interface and technology used in this MMO are all secondary featues. I also don't know if it will work or not and if it wil result in a good game experience or not. But I'm more than willing to wait, see and play before I get really opinionated about the game.

Originally posted by Reklaw

People need to understand that a MMORPG is not able to match a singleplayer experiance, it needs to be something different set in a familiar universe. But to expect a similar game like the singleplayer series would only become a much larger let down.

It's actually a shame that people seem to want  a similar ingame experiance like the singleplayer games. I'd say just enjoy and love our singleplayer games and a MMORPG should be something different. My vote would be a sandbox virtual world TESO game, but atleast they are trying to give us gamers a different experiance.

There are many of the SP mechanics that would translate into a MMO.  Locking races into factions, limiting exploration and many other systems would've worked in a MMO but they changed them to mimic DAoC.

Originally posted by Reklaw

Gamers should actually sallut them for bringing us something different.

Something different?  It's the SAME THING as DAoC and very similar to GW2, Tera and even SWTOR.

Originally posted by Reklaw

Try really hard to think what it excactly is that makes you love The Elder Scroll series, sure allot of it's feature's, but doesn't it all boil down to how every thing you do in their games truly effects the world/npc's around you?

Now how do some of you imagine this to work when every single player in your MMO game world wants to effect the whole ingameworld? Well seems like a easy answer.....PVP, especially the way they seem to go about it. They try to make the world have cause/effect.

I love the open-adventures from TES games.  ESO is a RvR game (I would say PvP but they don't even have other forms of PvP).  Why would they make a MMO version that focuses on something that was never in the original games?  Don't get me wrong, I would've loved some type of PvP system.  I would've accpeted a RvR 3 faction system but instead of fitting it in a TES setting, they shoved TES in a DAoC setting.