Originally posted by Mardukk
Everyone seems to love P2P in this thread.  Do you still love the box price with the sub?  Or just a sub is enough P2P for you?  Just curious.  I don't feel that I'll ever do box price and sub together ever again, short of my dream game.

Chalk me up for purchasing the box and a subscription fee.  I would not even mind paying a bit more than normal if it would act as a filtering device for certain groups of people.

Ratero.

It seems as if a relatively simple concept has been made overly complex here.  F2P games don't exist to cater to players who don't want to pay... rather, they exist because some company did some market research and developed a business plan based on the researched belief that developing a game and marketing it as F2P would make them more money than marketing it as B2P or P2P.  It is highly unlikely that said company sat down at their business meeting and asked themselves which marketing model would net them the LEAST cash...

Personally I like F2P.  I usually spend more money of F2P games than I do on subscription games.  I'm ok with that because I spend money on games that I'm enjoying rather than feeling like I need to enjoy a game because I spent money.  Now, admittedly, that's a personal experience, and one you might not share with me.  But for me it's F2P all the way.

Originally posted by Phelcher
People who only play f2p, are usually chdren and people without a disposable income.

Why even play a free game, when u can pay to be part of a better one. Is it really the money... is it truely phun wasting time in a free game that has zero worth. Just because it is free....

Do people see themselves playing the same free game 3 years later..? No... f2p games are just transient, throw-away games that fill in bordom. They are not full fledged games in which you move your whole vuild too, or hunker-down and plan on staying for a few years.

F2p vames are tbrow-away mediorcre junk that little children like to play because they dont have any money.

p2p games are for people with low IQ. They tend to be ppl who are too stupid to know better. Most p2p players live at home and get their moms to pay their subs and only stay in games for years because they can't handle starting over from the bottom.

I made up as much of my post's facts as you did btw.

And as more and more MMO's and players go F2P, MMO's have got worse.

One word. Funding.

Originally posted by Scot

And as more and more MMO's and players go F2P, MMO's have got worse.

One word. Funding.

Actually, that makes very little sense. Companies don't go free to play to make less money, if they did make less money they wouldn't go free to play. 

I am not trying to be too offensive when I say this, but it feels like not to many people here actually think.

Originally posted by Phelcher
People who only play f2p, are usually chdren and people without a disposable income.

Why even play a free game, when u can pay to be part of a better one. Is it really the money... is it truely phun wasting time in a free game that has zero worth. Just because it is free....

Do people see themselves playing the same free game 3 years later..? No... f2p games are just transient, throw-away games that fill in bordom. They are not full fledged games in which you move your whole vuild too, or hunker-down and plan on staying for a few years.

F2p vames are tbrow-away mediorcre junk that little children like to play because they dont have any money.

Agreed. They might be also older players who have kids and work and they dont have so much time to play mmorpg anymore.. BUT that is not our or developers problem.. People gets old, that happens and it doesnt mean games have to change based on that :) People are also still born.

For me ... when I see that game is F2P I dont see myself playing that game for a long time or ever, just because its F2P ''cheap'' game that had to become F2P for some reasons, those reasons are usually because they failed or developers failed with their decisions so now they have to be F2P to lure as many players as possible possible so they make money.

One of the most profitable F2P games for instance .. League of Legends, why do you think they started with F2P. I think because they knew no one would buy the game or pay the subs for it. It might be the best esport and and most played game now but ...it has the worst community I have ever seen, every match you play, ranked or normal, is about how or whatever players are retarded, hate speeches, offensive language, trolls and everything on daily basis. This is because the game is F2p and its filled with every possible player, from 12 years old teenagers, trolls, retards and much more who just love to troll and rage on everyone and everything because they dont have to care, the game is for freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. So even if some  F2P game was the BEST game ever made I would not play it just because of  all those milions trolls and retards.

Conclusion:

For me, It doesnt matter if P2P makes less or money money. ALL what matters is how good community is and what are the goals of the developers with the game. Here P2P wins by a long shot.

Originally posted by Brabbit1987

Originally posted by Scot

And as more and more MMO's and players go F2P, MMO's have got worse.

One word. Funding.

Actually, that makes very little sense. Companies don't go free to play to make less money, if they did make less money they wouldn't go free to play. 

I am not trying to be too offensive when I say this, but it feels like not to many people here actually think.

are you talking short run or long run money here ?

Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by Brabbit1987

Originally posted by Scot

And as more and more MMO's and players go F2P, MMO's have got worse.

One word. Funding.

Actually, that makes very little sense. Companies don't go free to play to make less money, if they did make less money they wouldn't go free to play. 

I am not trying to be too offensive when I say this, but it feels like not to many people here actually think.

are you talking short run or long run money here ?

Zynga games have 300 million ... players and is broke. Free to play is to avoid shutting down former AAA games, while for B games it is a way to avoid taxes on other activities.

What you see is an MMORPG industry losing players because of all that garbage out there.

And unfortunately this site and others hyped way too much turds on the way.

Here is my last post on this matter and I will not reply to anyone else or respond. This is the end result, fact, and there is no argueing about it.

1. Free to play is a viable bussiness model and many companies have already proven this.

2. Free to play doesn't mean the game is bad.

3. Free to play makes just as much money as pay to play.

4. Pay to play is more likely to have a better communtiy.

5. Free to play doesn't mean it was a former game that failed. (Example: All nexon games are free to play from the start)

6. The Free to play market is still rising. (Crytek is looking to go free to play in a few years and create AAA free to play titles)

Keep in mind all these points are 100% facts and are well known by the game industry. 

By responding to this post with a disagreement you agree you are not smart. 

Thank you, and good day to those who are smart.

Originally posted by jtcgs

Originally posted by Precusor
Teens and folks who really cant afford subs will logically flock to any of the hundreds f2p mmos.

 People who really have no clue will logically flock to post comments like this, makes them feel special for paying money every month for reasons that no longer apply when it was created.

The f2p money making behemoths is Nexons maplestory and Zyngas Farmville and thier key demographics are teens who spends their pocket money on random shit becuase they cant aford 800 to 1000 euros gaming PCs plus subbed based mmos.

So who are all of these players? They're relatively young, though not as young as you might expect. "Our median age is really 17, 18, 19," says Kim. "That's the peak of our curve." And many of Nexon's players aren't gamers, or at least aren't online gamers. "A lot of our users, Maple Story is their first MMORPG. They've been playing games, but they haven't been playing online games, so this is their first online experience." Kim says that most ofMapleStory's players only got into it because they were asked to play by friends, and the reason they jump in rather than playing a game like World of Warcraft is that "there's no barrier to entry. If they have a computer and an internet connection, they can download the game and play for as long as they want."

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/02/07/nexon-americas-pre-paid-card-empire/

Originally posted by Scot

And as more and more MMO's and players go F2P, MMO's have got worse.

 

"worse" in your opinion.

So i guess you will quit MMO at some point because the trend is pretty clear.

Only tells us, that six out of seven players are too poor to pay a fair price for a good game.

Oh... and F2P-titles are all not good, and I've tested basically every freakin' MMO released in the last 10 years.

Originally posted by Yalexy

Only tells us, that six out of seven players are too poor to pay a fair price for a good game.

Oh... and F2P-titles are all not good, and I've tested basically every freakin' MMO released in the last 10 years.

If that was truly the case, the F2P business model would not be profitable, and arguable more than many P2Ps (otherwise why would they swap to the F2P model, right?). Those 6 out of 7 players are not "too poor to pay", they're playing the game they like and paying what they want to.

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Originally posted by MadnessRealm

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Originally posted by Yalexy Only tells us, that six out of seven players are too poor to pay a fair price for a good game. Oh... and F2P-titles are all not good, and I've tested basically every freakin' MMO released in the last 10 years.

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If that was truly the case, the F2P business model would not be profitable, and arguable more than many P2Ps (otherwise why would they swap to the F2P model, right?). Those 6 out of 7 players are not "too poor to pay", they're playing the game they like and paying what they want to.

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The F2P-business works, as underaged gamers pour tons of money into these games, most usually with the money from their unaware parents.

Additionally. Show me a game that went from P2P to F2P that was actually good to begin with.

The ignorance about how f2p actually works and the type of people who play the games, in this thread is....not as shocking as I wish it was.

The people who think they're better people because they play a p2p game really are a lower class of people.

Originally posted by Talgen
My parent's always told me, "you get what you pay for" ~ It has served me well..

Agreed 100%, Shame more people don't know how to use common sense!

Originally posted by Talgen
My parent's always told me, "you get what you pay for" ~ It has served me well..

Really, it's a shame I've paid for lots of AAA MMOs that turned out to be a bag of crap. I've found that most of the time you definitely don't get what you pay for. Mostly it's mutton dressed as lamb.