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  Teala

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OP  2/26/13 1:09:33 PM#1

So I recently wrote a blog about the rampant cheating that takes place in Planetside 2.   Some said they have never seen a hacker, and some say that it is not as rampant as I propose.   Well, sad to say it, but those that think cheating is not rampant are just not telling it like it is.

For instance, just today, on Helios we had a number of hackers like this guy,...

https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428044677964992721/killboard who, btw, has been reported on for the last 5+ hours and is still in game.  But, hey, there are no hackers in PS2 - right?

  BethelsBoy

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2/26/13 1:12:37 PM#2

How are they hacking?

It looks like they can be killed and there are no consistent headshots.

maybe the kills are pretty close together in time but that wouldnt necessarily mean theyre hacking

they could have found a good area to camp that has a steady flow of targets to shoot

  User Deleted
2/26/13 1:13:41 PM#3
K/D 19.42 ... interesting
  Tatercake

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LET GO OF MY NUTS

2/26/13 1:14:57 PM#4

ya i know your pain mate battlfield 3 is the same  fille dwith cheeters glichers and hacks and ea has never done crap in any of there games about it

 

  Morninglord

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2/26/13 1:17:09 PM#5

Players denying that there is hackers in games is much like a person who denies taking a cookie from the cookie jar even though they have crumbs on both sides of their mouth.

 

 

 

* * * Morninglord * * *

  Teala

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OP  2/26/13 1:22:18 PM#6
Originally posted by BethelsBoy

How are they hacking?

It looks like they can be killed and there are no consistent headshots.

maybe the kills are pretty close together in time but that wouldnt necessarily mean theyre hacking

they could have found a good area to camp that has a steady flow of targets to shoot

How were they hacking?  They were moving faster than anyone.  Teleport to a location, kill someone, then disappear.  They could also get under the ground and shoot up at people.   Also, Aim-bots do not have to shoot people in the head all the time.  Do not tell me he was not using a cheat...I and hundreds of others saw him, even people of his own faction tried to kill him a few times.  

  Deto123

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2/26/13 1:40:45 PM#7

I can honestly say, not once, and tes I said ONCE have I seen a cheater in PS2. Maybe I m just not looking that hard, but this is flat out bs saying anything remotely close to it being rampant. My Outfit was just alking about this the other day, and we collectively have barely seen it at all. We re 150+ members.

I don t know what the point is, but if you hate SOE, you re sure trying hard.

  birdycephon

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2/26/13 1:40:54 PM#8
Chances are the ones hating on you are either cheaters themselves or just naive fanboys.

Oh, its run by SOE, no wonder nothing is getting done.

  Reklaw

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2/26/13 1:54:36 PM#9

Sorry didn't read your blog but in response to the topic.

I don't think there is a single multiplayer game out there where people for what ever reason feel the need to cheat, I don't understand why someone might cheat, perhaps they are such bad players but still like games that there is no other way for them then to cheat, falsly making themselfs feel good where in fact it just seems sad that people need too cheat in GAMES!!

  Varthander

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2/26/13 2:00:55 PM#10
He jumped from rank 7 to 10, thats actually the only unnatural thing ive seen, he died ingame so its not inmortal, he just could be really good. and no im not joking.

  wesjr

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Joined: 3/22/04
Posts: 344

2/26/13 2:09:55 PM#11

And there will never be a way to stop cheating 100% in any game.

 

I love APB but sometimes the cheaters in that game just ruin a good night.

  TsaboHavoc

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Posts: 340

2/26/13 2:14:32 PM#12

i wouldnt touch a multiplayer FPS shooter with 10 feet tungsteen pole, they are full of cheaters, all of them.

its so easy to cheat in these kinda of games that is childs play.

  Teala

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"Really officer, they're herbs."

 
OP  2/26/13 2:30:24 PM#13
Originally posted by MadAce

The reason why your blog is being frowned upon is because it's a series of unsubstantiated guesses and near-hysterical hyperbole.

At no point in your rant have you even tried to provide with any kind of context, definition of "rampant" or proof.

You also blatantly contradict yourself. First you say that being "easily" (never backed up, just a baseless opinion) hacked is something PS2 has in common with PS1 and then you strongly hint that PS2 is a cheater's paradise because it's a F2P game. Now isn't that weird... PS1 wasn't F2P, and you said it had its cheating problem in common with PS2... Mmmh...

Apart from that:

" ther are no in-game admins" Prove it. SOE has about 150 people in its CS department. So now it's up to you to prove that these people collectively ignore PS2 for some arbitrary and insane reason.

"it happens quite often" What does that mean? "Quit often"? Compared to what?

Like, happens every day.

" but I guess this is beyond them" Prove it.

Really?  You want me to prove it?  I can prove that people are cheating rampantly in this game and not just aim-botting either.   Some of the top people didn't get to the top legitmately - they cheated to get there.   SOE needs to clean house and they need to start with these people that are blantantly cheating.

"Not a game session goes by that you will not encounter a cheater" Woah. Hyperbole, much? (You'll need this: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaggeration) There are cheaters, sure. What games doesn't have them? But not to the almost comedic extent you're trying to scream about.

Yes, not a day goes by in PS2 that you will not encounter one or more.  Watch the daily leader board.   People with new characters for that day that have a k/d of over 20 to 1(most of the time more) are more than likely cheating. 

People like you do as much damage to PS2 (if not more) as cheaters do.

No...SOE could do better and they are failing at this.   If anyone is hurting PS2 it is SOE by not taking a more pro-active stand on combating this problem.

Also, you shouldn't be writing blogs. They're pretty bad. You can't write, structure is beyond you, spell-checking is apparently against your religion or something and the concept of rational reasoning... Yea...

First I never claimed to be a writer, second, I went back and spell checked my blog and a couple of words show up that the spell check cannot ID - like Planetside, griefing, admins, SOE, PS2(apparently griefing is not a word, then again, neither is botting but it is used in the context of gaming since forever).  So yea...I am a terrible speller.  

People interested in more verifiable facts:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/comments/199qiu/specific_changes_we_are_making_as_a_result_of_the/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/comments/1986in/short_explanation_of_our_banningsuspension/

http://youtu.be/vx7pOvNDycM

 

  Yalexy

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2/26/13 2:32:37 PM#14

As PS2 is yet another FPS with client-side calculations it's actually pretty esay to develop speedhacks, wallhacks and aimbots for it.

To make a MMO "safer" against cheating the first thing you need to do is server-side calculations with package-sniffing enabled. This way 99% of the hacks are ruled out, but this is not applyable to a fast paced online FPS, as the latency in such a setup rises drastically.

As for PS2, even in beta there were hacks readily available, so I don't doubt that there is alot of them now aswell.

One lesson I learned during the last two decades... never play a FPS with people you're not sitting in the same room with.

  spizz

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Posts: 2527

2/26/13 2:54:10 PM#15

It is naive if people think there are only hackers when they actually see it. Those hackers which are obviously cheating are probably the minority, they dont care getting banned or whatever. The problem are the subtle hackers, those who use aimbots without hitting the head, those who are using radar only or whatever other function this hacking tool offers. 

At the moment they are only getting banned when there is actually proof that such players are hacking if you follow some of the forum posts of smedley SEO. Not just assumptions. 

You can read a lot about that on public hacker forums aswell how most try to acti ingame with such tools...at the end most will try to stay "under the radar".

As far I understand there is no really good or probably none at all anti-cheat protection in Planetside 2 and this is a big issue.

 

 

But there is more to this. In Planetside 2 there are issues with hit detection, frame loss and latency problems. So not every strange situation happens due to hacking. There was a discussion recently on the official forums about "awesome players" and actually many did agree that you meet little too often such ones. 

Examples:

* hit detection i.e. your bullets dont get recongized, you get hit behind walls after running away from the enemy into cover.

* frame loss i.e. you dont actually see certain situations on your screen....reality is different than what you see on your monitor. 

* latency issues i.e. players with high ping causing lag with a mix of the other two points

 

 

 

 

  strangiato2112

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2/26/13 3:07:29 PM#16
I dont always agree with the OP, but she tells it like it is.  One of the few people that will loudly criticize a game that she enjoys.  Her crticisms usually aren't to bash a game, but to improve the game (or the genre).  And she does her homework, doesnt make statements just based off what everyone else says (which a LOT of the people around here do)
  MadAce

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2/26/13 3:10:28 PM#17
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by MadAce

The reason why your blog is being frowned upon is because it's a series of unsubstantiated guesses and near-hysterical hyperbole.

At no point in your rant have you even tried to provide with any kind of context, definition of "rampant" or proof.

You also blatantly contradict yourself. First you say that being "easily" (never backed up, just a baseless opinion) hacked is something PS2 has in common with PS1 and then you strongly hint that PS2 is a cheater's paradise because it's a F2P game. Now isn't that weird... PS1 wasn't F2P, and you said it had its cheating problem in common with PS2... Mmmh...

Apart from that:

" ther are no in-game admins" Prove it. SOE has about 150 people in its CS department. So now it's up to you to prove that these people collectively ignore PS2 for some arbitrary and insane reason.

"it happens quite often" What does that mean? "Quit often"? Compared to what?

Like, happens every day.

" but I guess this is beyond them" Prove it.

Really?  You want me to prove it?  I can prove that people are cheating rampantly in this game and not just aim-botting either.   Some of the top people didn't get to the top legitmately - they cheated to get there.   SOE needs to clean house and they need to start with these people that are blantantly cheating.

"Not a game session goes by that you will not encounter a cheater" Woah. Hyperbole, much? (You'll need this: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaggeration) There are cheaters, sure. What games doesn't have them? But not to the almost comedic extent you're trying to scream about.

Yes, not a day goes by in PS2 that you will not encounter one or more.  Watch the daily leader board.   People with new characters for that day that have a k/d of over 20 to 1(most of the time more) are more than likely cheating. 

People like you do as much damage to PS2 (if not more) as cheaters do.

No...SOE could do better and they are failing at this.   If anyone is hurting PS2 it is SOE by not taking a more pro-active stand on combating this problem.

Also, you shouldn't be writing blogs. They're pretty bad. You can't write, structure is beyond you, spell-checking is apparently against your religion or something and the concept of rational reasoning... Yea...

First I never claimed to be a writer, second, I went back and spell checked my blog and a couple of words show up that the spell check cannot ID - like Planetside, griefing, admins, SOE, PS2(apparently griefing is not a word, then again, neither is botting but it is used in the context of gaming since forever).  So yea...I am a terrible speller.  

People interested in more verifiable facts:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/comments/199qiu/specific_changes_we_are_making_as_a_result_of_the/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/comments/1986in/short_explanation_of_our_banningsuspension/

http://youtu.be/vx7pOvNDycM

 

 

You say you can prove people are cheating "rampantly". Then please clarify what you mean with "rampantly". Compared to which games? In what context? In absolute numbers? In percentages? You've got some numbers to come up with.

What's your opinion on the fact that the leader-boards (and this is a widely broadcasted fact) are bugged? And how do we know that those people aren't under investigation (were they to be cheating) and/or already banned?

How about very good (and/or lucky) players? A 20:1 K/D ratio is rare, but it's possible given the right circumstances.

Anything real, objective and verifiable to back up your hyperbole would be a good start towards you no longer making yourself look attention-seeking and self-important.

Stop with the pathetic platitudes. It's frankly cringe-worthy.

All you're doing now is creating paranoia using nothing but... Nothing. A load of hot air.

  Teala

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OP  2/26/13 3:28:02 PM#18
Originally posted by MadAce
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by MadAce

The reason why your blog is being frowned upon is because it's a series of unsubstantiated guesses and near-hysterical hyperbole.

At no point in your rant have you even tried to provide with any kind of context, definition of "rampant" or proof.

You also blatantly contradict yourself. First you say that being "easily" (never backed up, just a baseless opinion) hacked is something PS2 has in common with PS1 and then you strongly hint that PS2 is a cheater's paradise because it's a F2P game. Now isn't that weird... PS1 wasn't F2P, and you said it had its cheating problem in common with PS2... Mmmh...

Apart from that:

" ther are no in-game admins" Prove it. SOE has about 150 people in its CS department. So now it's up to you to prove that these people collectively ignore PS2 for some arbitrary and insane reason.

"it happens quite often" What does that mean? "Quit often"? Compared to what?

Like, happens every day.

" but I guess this is beyond them" Prove it.

Really?  You want me to prove it?  I can prove that people are cheating rampantly in this game and not just aim-botting either.   Some of the top people didn't get to the top legitmately - they cheated to get there.   SOE needs to clean house and they need to start with these people that are blantantly cheating.

"Not a game session goes by that you will not encounter a cheater" Woah. Hyperbole, much? (You'll need this: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaggeration) There are cheaters, sure. What games doesn't have them? But not to the almost comedic extent you're trying to scream about.

Yes, not a day goes by in PS2 that you will not encounter one or more.  Watch the daily leader board.   People with new characters for that day that have a k/d of over 20 to 1(most of the time more) are more than likely cheating. 

People like you do as much damage to PS2 (if not more) as cheaters do.

No...SOE could do better and they are failing at this.   If anyone is hurting PS2 it is SOE by not taking a more pro-active stand on combating this problem.

Also, you shouldn't be writing blogs. They're pretty bad. You can't write, structure is beyond you, spell-checking is apparently against your religion or something and the concept of rational reasoning... Yea...

First I never claimed to be a writer, second, I went back and spell checked my blog and a couple of words show up that the spell check cannot ID - like Planetside, griefing, admins, SOE, PS2(apparently griefing is not a word, then again, neither is botting but it is used in the context of gaming since forever).  So yea...I am a terrible speller.  

People interested in more verifiable facts:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/comments/199qiu/specific_changes_we_are_making_as_a_result_of_the/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/comments/1986in/short_explanation_of_our_banningsuspension/

http://youtu.be/vx7pOvNDycM

 

 

You say you can prove people are cheating "rampantly". Then please clarify what you mean with "rampantly". Compared to which games? In what context? In absolute numbers? In percentages? You've got some numbers to come up with.

What's your opinion on the fact that the leader-boards (and this is a widely broadcasted fact) are bugged? And how do we know that those people aren't under investigation (were they to be cheating) and/or already banned?

How about very good (and/or lucky) players? A 20:1 K/D ratio is rare, but it's possible given the right circumstances.

Anything real, objective and verifiable to back up your hyperbole would be a good start towards you no longer making yourself look attention-seeking and self-important.

Stop with the pathetic platitudes. It's frankly cringe-worthy.

All you're doing now is creating paranoia using nothing but... Nothing. A load of hot air.

I found this guy in a matter of seconds...take a look at his numbers, look really close.

https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428011263296686161/killboard/?view=kills

See anything weird about them?   Oh, and yeah, don't give me this BS story that the LB's are all messed up.  SOE tried to tell us that some of the numbers being depicted on the leader board are false and are merely SOE people testing stuff.   They have a dedicated server for testing "stuff".  

This guy cheated his way to near the top of the leaderboard for Helios server.   Wanna wager how many more I can find in a few minutes of looking?

  MadAce

Novice Member

Joined: 6/04/05
Posts: 2457

"The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute talk with the average voter." Winston Churchill

2/26/13 3:55:37 PM#19
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by MadAce
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by MadAce

The reason why your blog is being frowned upon is because it's a series of unsubstantiated guesses and near-hysterical hyperbole.

At no point in your rant have you even tried to provide with any kind of context, definition of "rampant" or proof.

You also blatantly contradict yourself. First you say that being "easily" (never backed up, just a baseless opinion) hacked is something PS2 has in common with PS1 and then you strongly hint that PS2 is a cheater's paradise because it's a F2P game. Now isn't that weird... PS1 wasn't F2P, and you said it had its cheating problem in common with PS2... Mmmh...

Apart from that:

" ther are no in-game admins" Prove it. SOE has about 150 people in its CS department. So now it's up to you to prove that these people collectively ignore PS2 for some arbitrary and insane reason.

"it happens quite often" What does that mean? "Quit often"? Compared to what?

Like, happens every day.

" but I guess this is beyond them" Prove it.

Really?  You want me to prove it?  I can prove that people are cheating rampantly in this game and not just aim-botting either.   Some of the top people didn't get to the top legitmately - they cheated to get there.   SOE needs to clean house and they need to start with these people that are blantantly cheating.

"Not a game session goes by that you will not encounter a cheater" Woah. Hyperbole, much? (You'll need this: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaggeration) There are cheaters, sure. What games doesn't have them? But not to the almost comedic extent you're trying to scream about.

Yes, not a day goes by in PS2 that you will not encounter one or more.  Watch the daily leader board.   People with new characters for that day that have a k/d of over 20 to 1(most of the time more) are more than likely cheating. 

People like you do as much damage to PS2 (if not more) as cheaters do.

No...SOE could do better and they are failing at this.   If anyone is hurting PS2 it is SOE by not taking a more pro-active stand on combating this problem.

Also, you shouldn't be writing blogs. They're pretty bad. You can't write, structure is beyond you, spell-checking is apparently against your religion or something and the concept of rational reasoning... Yea...

First I never claimed to be a writer, second, I went back and spell checked my blog and a couple of words show up that the spell check cannot ID - like Planetside, griefing, admins, SOE, PS2(apparently griefing is not a word, then again, neither is botting but it is used in the context of gaming since forever).  So yea...I am a terrible speller.  

People interested in more verifiable facts:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/comments/199qiu/specific_changes_we_are_making_as_a_result_of_the/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/comments/1986in/short_explanation_of_our_banningsuspension/

http://youtu.be/vx7pOvNDycM

 

 

You say you can prove people are cheating "rampantly". Then please clarify what you mean with "rampantly". Compared to which games? In what context? In absolute numbers? In percentages? You've got some numbers to come up with.

What's your opinion on the fact that the leader-boards (and this is a widely broadcasted fact) are bugged? And how do we know that those people aren't under investigation (were they to be cheating) and/or already banned?

How about very good (and/or lucky) players? A 20:1 K/D ratio is rare, but it's possible given the right circumstances.

Anything real, objective and verifiable to back up your hyperbole would be a good start towards you no longer making yourself look attention-seeking and self-important.

Stop with the pathetic platitudes. It's frankly cringe-worthy.

All you're doing now is creating paranoia using nothing but... Nothing. A load of hot air.

I found this guy in a matter of seconds...take a look at his numbers, look really close.

https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428011263296686161/killboard/?view=kills

See anything weird about them?   Oh, and yeah, don't give me this BS story that the LB's are all messed up.  SOE tried to tell us that some of the numbers being depicted on the leader board are false and are merely SOE people testing stuff.   They have a dedicated server for testing "stuff".  

This guy cheated his way to near the top of the leaderboard for Helios server.   Wanna wager how many more I can find in a few minutes of looking?

Now you've provided a link to the possibly broken profile on an application in beta of someone who may or may not be cheating and may or may not banned and/or under investigation and may or may not be an employee.

So, yea, worthless. No proof whatsoever. Rather pathetic, really.

Do you even understand the concept of proof? Does the concept of anecdotal evidence even ring a bell? Because that's what you're providing. And even in the questionable range of anecdotal evidence, it's woefully inadequate.

I want numbers. Statistics. Data in a sufficiently large dataset and therefore indicative of a trend. 

Good luck with you barebone start into the wonderful realm of rational reasoning...

  moosecatlol

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/25/10
Posts: 1149

2/26/13 4:03:17 PM#20

Personally I would need to see more than just a statistics page, because at 48% accuracy it's rather iffy.

There are some good players that play infrantry in Planet Side 2.

Players such as this guy.

 

I'm not saying that this guy doesn't hack, or that there are no hackers in PS2, for example here is one with 100% accuracy.

The problem is to only show a stats page that seems totally feasible really doesn't prove that the player is a hacker. At what price do we pay if we're over zealous with our hunt? The only thing I ask for is better proof, though if it were possible I'd say that it at least warrants an investigation, but we all know that SOE doesn't investigate, but rather they tend to shoot first and ask questions later.

 

The real problem at hand is that there's nothing preventing you from hacking, they should at least force you to use a CC number. Anything tangible would really help in this situation and all "F2P" games that suffer from similar situations.

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