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  User Deleted
2/25/13 4:54:33 PM#21
Originally posted by Dogblaster
Originally posted by Treabhair

No, it's inherently a good thing a game could do.  It's just not been done successfuly.

I think theres a much better chance of success if rather than trying to please everyone with one option, multiple options are made available for everyone.

Every smart and experienced company owner / manager / marketer know that segmentations and they SHOULDNT EVER try to satisfy every customer.

 

If you try to cater to every possible segment on the market, you are doomed to fail. Thats how it is and wont ever change.

 

Just think for a moment and you can clearly see that EVERY product is always aimed for certain people/segment.

Everyone eats at kfc at one point in their lives, even vegans... your arguments are as shoddy as your grammar and your passion for keeping out "undesirables" is almost... well to be honest bordering on damn nazism and while I can't stand most of the people you likely can't either what I can't stand the most is entitled people telling everyone else how it is... when it isn't even close to the truth. If ARR was worth its salt it would have revamped itself in such a way that it could allow F2P and allow you to "welcome" the people you like so much with all the jackbooty love your heart desires.

  Dogblaster

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2/25/13 4:57:36 PM#22
Originally posted by Treabhair

Well I guess there are certain limitations to it. If we were talking about making many features that each required heavy development teams to mantain, then there would definitely be the chance of spreading yourself too thin. However, the changes I outlined I don't believe would require hardly any shift in dev resources from a traditional p2p model.

But with F2P it all begins ..

 

If they took your advice and gave acess to F2P ..

How many of those F2P players would be non-experienced mmorpg players? How many of those F2P players would be playing FF just because its F2P? How many F2P casuals? MANY, believe me, there would be maybe more F2P playrs playing the game than P2P in some point ...

 

So now they have more F2P than P2P. But what if those F2P are casual gamers like you? THEY DEMAND easyer content and easyer endgame. They demand THIS AND THAT.

And now .. developers will do these changes because F2P users and they end up screwing the whole game for those trully dedicated Final Fantasy XIV P2P players. GG game over

 

P.S.: The free trial is good idea so people can try the game.

  Dogblaster

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2/25/13 4:58:43 PM#23
Originally posted by Dihoru

Everyone eats at kfc at one point in their lives, even vegans... your arguments are as shoddy as your grammar and your passion for keeping out "undesirables" is almost... well to be honest bordering on damn nazism and while I can't stand most of the people you likely can't either what I can't stand the most is entitled people telling everyone else how it is... when it isn't even close to the truth. If ARR was worth its salt it would have revamped itself in such a way that it could allow F2P and allow you to "welcome" the people you like so much with all the jackbooty love your heart desires.

you again ? Man I dont care about your posts at all :)

So thanks for your quote but keep it for someone else.

 

You should /block me as I did block you now. Problem solved.

  nbtscan

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2/25/13 5:00:17 PM#24
I don't like F2P, but if they want to put in a free trial like WoW does where you can level up to 15 and then be capped, then sure why not.  What they see in those first 15 levels might lure them in.
  User Deleted
2/25/13 5:01:38 PM#25
Originally posted by Dogblaster
Originally posted by Treabhair

Well I guess there are certain limitations to it. If we were talking about making many features that each required heavy development teams to mantain, then there would definitely be the chance of spreading yourself too thin. However, the changes I outlined I don't believe would require hardly any shift in dev resources from a traditional p2p model.

But with F2P it begins .. you cant see but look.

 

If they took your advice and gave acess to F2P ..

How many of those F2P players would be non-experienced mmorpg players? How many of those F2P players would be playing FF just because its F2P? MANY, believe me, there would be maybe more F2P playrs playing it than P2P after some time...

 

So now they have more F2P than P2P. But what if those F2P are casual gamers like you? THEY DEMAND easyer content and easyer endgame. They demand THIS AND THAT.

And now .. developers will do these changes and fucked up the game for those trully dedicated P2P players. GG game over

Lol... so when did World of Warcraft become Free 2 Play? Was Everquest 1 free to play when it went casual? Was Star Wars Galaxies ever free 2 play? Short answer no, your twisting a reality to suit your bias, entitled players in P2P games turn them casual, a majority of casuals turn F2Ps into casuals, neglecting one side to make your point stick better smells awfully of demagoguery.

Originally posted by Dogblaster
Originally posted by Dihoru

Everyone eats at kfc at one point in their lives, even vegans... your arguments are as shoddy as your grammar and your passion for keeping out "undesirables" is almost... well to be honest bordering on damn nazism and while I can't stand most of the people you likely can't either what I can't stand the most is entitled people telling everyone else how it is... when it isn't even close to the truth. If ARR was worth its salt it would have revamped itself in such a way that it could allow F2P and allow you to "welcome" the people you like so much with all the jackbooty love your heart desires.

you again ? Man I dont care about your posts at all :)

So thanks for your quote but keep it for someone else.

 

You should /block me as I did block you. Problem solved.

And this ladies and gentlemen is proof positive of what kind of player he is. Can't take criticism, can't take someone's contrary opinion to his, blocks him, entitlement 101 (and his arguments are so bad they'd demand a troll but I never did).

  youngkg

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2/25/13 5:06:20 PM#26
Originally posted by GamingGeek

It just strikes me as a shamelessly entitled and ego-centric mindset.  "My life has changed, so now the games should change to better suit my circumstances".

No. They shouldn't. You should change your expectations and adjust your priorities to suit your new circumstances.

 

Amen...If you wouldnt pay 15 dollars for admission to a game then chances are you dont really have alot of interest in it...and if you cant afford a 15 dollar sub fee then maybe gameing isnt something that should take any level of priority in your life?

  Etherignis

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2/25/13 5:19:32 PM#27
I like the p2p model for ffxiv
  Snowdon_Cloudripper

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2/25/13 6:05:15 PM#28
The only thing I can say is square enix has had a sub. Based game out on the market 10years now and its still going. I would think they know what there doing with xiv arr being subscription . This is not there first rodeo

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  cybertrucker

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2/25/13 6:35:35 PM#29

What I have taken for the OP and his responses. I want to be able to freeload and not have any real limitations compared to the people who choose to pay for it. Give them like costume perks.

 

My opinion, thanks but not thanks. Keep this game pay to play. If they want to add a LIMITED trial later down the road that's fine.

  Treabhair

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OP  2/25/13 6:51:54 PM#30
Originally posted by DarknessReign
The only thing I can say is square enix has had a sub. Based game out on the market 10years now and its still going. I would think they know what there doing with xiv arr being subscription . This is not there first rodeo

 

As I mentioned, FFXI was my first mmo and I'm well aware of FFXIs begginings and current state. If SE can find as much early success with a subscription model for FFXIV:ARR as they did with FFXI, then good for them, though it may not neccisarily be good for me or others who won't or can't pay a sub fee for various reasons.

 

My thoughts were merely an attempt to come up with a way to please a wider audience than to state that SE won't find success with the model they've chosen.

 

Unfortunately all I've managed to find was another reason not to play P2P mmo's and ironically, it's one of the main reasons many advocates of P2P have such disdain towards f2p/b2p games. Hopefully FFXIV's community won't suffer from the same scuff that marked the otherwise fantastic FFXI community.

  Treabhair

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OP  2/25/13 6:53:33 PM#31
Originally posted by cybertrucker

What I have taken for the OP and his responses. I want to be able to freeload and not have any real limitations compared to the people who choose to pay for it. Give them like costume perks.

 

My opinion, thanks but not thanks. Keep this game pay to play. If they want to add a LIMITED trial later down the road that's fine.

Reading helps.

TL:DR

I'm advocating a highly limited environment for f2p players, but not a p2w model, so that more people might be able to enjoy this game without hurting the p2p players experience.

 

You're welcome.

  Margrave

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2/25/13 6:55:30 PM#32
I would be thrilled with just a trial of some sort, maybe through the newbie area, or level limited in some way?
  Dogblaster

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2/25/13 7:15:28 PM#33
Originally posted by Treabhair

Reading helps.

TL:DR

I'm advocating a highly limited environment for f2p players, but not a p2w model, so that more people might be able to enjoy this game without hurting the p2p players experience.

 

You're welcome.

You have the benchmark tool dont you ? Thats kinda highly limited enviroment for F2P players.

 

Problem solved :)

 

Tell me, how this similar scenario to yours but in real life would work?

''I would love to go and spend every week on Bora Bora or Maldives island for free, so I am advocating higly limited acess so just put me into different beach/hotel, so I might be able to enjoy these vacations without hurting paying customers experience.''

 

xD

 

  Treabhair

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OP  2/25/13 7:34:18 PM#34
Originally posted by Dogblaster
Originally posted by Treabhair

Reading helps.

TL:DR

I'm advocating a highly limited environment for f2p players, but not a p2w model, so that more people might be able to enjoy this game without hurting the p2p players experience.

 

You're welcome.

You have the benchmark tool dont you ? Thats kinda highly limited enviroment for F2P players.

 

Problem solved :)

 

Tell me, how this similar scenario to yours but in real life would work?

''I would love to go and spend every week on Bora Bora or Maldives island for free, so I am advocating higly limited acess to them so just put me different beach/hotel, so I might be able to enjoy these vacations without hurnting paying customers experience.''

 

xD

 

 

I do appreciate the humorous attitude you take, even if you don't really agree with me at all.

Anyways, to answer your question,

En Masse, Cryptic, PWE, Midway, and Arena Net are all real world companies making real money. So how would it work in the real world? Well I guess it would work buy making a product free to play and charging for extras, except with the trend in most f2p, the people playing for free would be the ones being catered too. At least my idea gives priority to the subscribers.

EDIT: If you want an example closer to your quoted text story, It's called tourism.

The hotel, restaraunts, souvenirs are the extras. The location is the game. You don't charge people to enter the location, but rather to use the extras. You attract people to come to your location so that you can sell these things and services to your customers.

 

I guess we'll have to wait and see what sort of success or failure FFXIV:ARR is before any consideration to change is given a thought. Though if they don't do as well as they planned and are forced to try a different revenue model or scrap the title altogether, what concern is it of mine if they go the way of the casual f2p?

  BlueTiger33

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2/25/13 7:36:06 PM#35
I really lose a lot of respect for a game or franchise when it goes F2P. You get the fealing like you are walking in a sewer and those around you are from the sewer. Now, if the F2P model is built in from day one I can understand the continunance as said players are needed for the paying players to pay their dollars.


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  Dogblaster

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2/25/13 7:41:36 PM#36
Originally posted by Treabhair

I do appreciate the humorous attitude you take, even if you don't really agree with me at all.

Anyways, to answer your question,

En Masse, Cryptic, PWE, Midway, and Arena Net are all real world companies making real money. So how would it work in the real world? Well I guess it would work buy making a product free to play and charging for extras, except with the trend in most f2p, the people playing for free would be the ones being catered too. At least my idea gives priority to the subscribers.

 

I guess we'll have to wait and see what sort of success or failure FFXIV:ARR is before any consideration to change is given a thought. Though if they don't do as well as they planned and are forced to try a different revenue model or scrap the title altogether, what concern is it of mine if they go the way of the casual f2p?

I am pretty sure this game will be sucessfull, It doesnt matter if they reach 500k or 5M sub. All what matters is what goals company and director/producer Naoki Yoshida are aiming to. And If you are following them/him closely, you have nothing to be afraight in this .

I hope this game with this big potential, really dedicated developer team working on it with heart and soul (they are Japanese afterall) will never turn just into ''cash cow'' where pleasing ''everyone'', in other words no one matters.

 

What concern is it of mine if you or any other poor/casual/etc. dont have money or time to play the game? I DONT CARE :) More loot for me and less stress on the servers !

  Treabhair

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OP  2/25/13 7:51:30 PM#37
Originally posted by Dogblaster
Originally posted by Treabhair

I do appreciate the humorous attitude you take, even if you don't really agree with me at all.

Anyways, to answer your question,

En Masse, Cryptic, PWE, Midway, and Arena Net are all real world companies making real money. So how would it work in the real world? Well I guess it would work buy making a product free to play and charging for extras, except with the trend in most f2p, the people playing for free would be the ones being catered too. At least my idea gives priority to the subscribers.

 

I guess we'll have to wait and see what sort of success or failure FFXIV:ARR is before any consideration to change is given a thought. Though if they don't do as well as they planned and are forced to try a different revenue model or scrap the title altogether, what concern is it of mine if they go the way of the casual f2p?

I am pretty sure this game will be sucessfull, It doesnt matter if they reach 500k or 5M sub. All what matters is what goals company and director/producer Naoki Yoshida are aiming to.

 

I hope this game with this big potential, really dedicated developer team working on it with hearths and souls (they are Japanese afterall) will never turn just into ''cash cow'' where pleasing ''everyone'', in other words no one matters.

 

What concern is it of mine that you dont have money to play the game or time? I DONT CARE :) more loot for me

All that matters is that they make money. Square Enix is in financial trouble and they can't afford to cater to a game and it's players if it's bleeding money instead of making it.

I don't doubt that the game will find success in Japan with this model, but if it doesn't find the same success here, SE could very well go the way of SEGA, and simply pull the plug on international support rather than lose more money trying to cater to outside players. That or casual f2p mode it.

 

Also, it may be a surprise to you, but not everyone who plays f2p games are poor and don't have money or time. As I said before, I simply don't like playing with the thought that I'm spending money to waste my time lingering in the back of my mind. Also, if FFXI and some of the posters here are anything to go by, p2p attracts elitists / I'm better than other people mentalities.

  Dogblaster

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2/25/13 7:58:20 PM#38
Originally posted by Treabhair

All that matters is that they make money. Square Enix is in financial trouble and they can't afford to cater to a game and it's players if it's bleeding money instead of making it.

I don't doubt that the game will find success in Japan with this model, but if it doesn't find the same success here, SE could very well go the way of SEGA, and simply pull the plug on international support rather than lose more money trying to cater to outside players. That or casual f2p mode it.

 

Also, it may be a surprise to you, but not everyone who plays f2p games are poor and don't have money or time. As I said before, I simply don't like playing with the thought that I'm spending money to waste my time lingering in the back of my mind. Also, if FFXI and some of the posters here are anything to go by, p2p attracts elitists / I'm better than other people mentalities.

Man just stop throwing this crap on us please xD ''Square Enix is in financial troubles so they should give us F2P acess or they are doomed'' Whats next? Will you post theirs annual balance sheet of previous years or what ? xD

All what you care about is not paying a cent and playing the game for free. Nothing else.

 

Here is big suprise for you xD Not going to happen and posting here on these forums wont ever help you. So either you pay the sub, dont play the game, or buy Square Enix so you can change it to F2P :) thats my advice

 

jezus .. you dont like playing with the thought that you are spending money to waste your time in your back of you mind but you are willing to post the whole day/evening begging and making suggestion how F2P would be better for the game. If you spent these hours working instead of posting here, you could have already paid few months of subscription.

Good night to you sir.

  BlueTiger33

Novice Member

Joined: 2/25/13
Posts: 169

2/25/13 8:02:32 PM#39
Originally posted by Dogblaster
Originally posted by Treabhair

All that matters is that they make money. Square Enix is in financial trouble and they can't afford to cater to a game and it's players if it's bleeding money instead of making it.

I don't doubt that the game will find success in Japan with this model, but if it doesn't find the same success here, SE could very well go the way of SEGA, and simply pull the plug on international support rather than lose more money trying to cater to outside players. That or casual f2p mode it.

 

Also, it may be a surprise to you, but not everyone who plays f2p games are poor and don't have money or time. As I said before, I simply don't like playing with the thought that I'm spending money to waste my time lingering in the back of my mind. Also, if FFXI and some of the posters here are anything to go by, p2p attracts elitists / I'm better than other people mentalities.

Man just stop throwing this crap on us please xD ''Square Enix is in financial troubles so they should give us F2P acess or they are doomed'' Whats next? Will you post theirs annual balance sheet of previous years or what ? xD

All what you care about is not paying a cent and playing the game for free. Nothing else.

 

Here is big suprise for you xD Not going to happen and posting here on these forums wont ever help you. So either you pay the sub, dont play the game, or buy Square Enix so you can make it F2P :)

jezus .. you dont like playing with spending money to waste my time but you are posting the whole evening on these forums begging and making suggestion how F2P would be better for the game. If you spent these hours working instead of posting here, you could have already paid few months of subscription.

Good night to you sir.

 

Epic. Valid points all around. "As I said before, I simply don't like playing with the thought that I'm spending money to waste my time lingering in the back of my mind. " That can be taken so many ways LOL...nothing which paints a good light on you.


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  Ghern

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/25/12
Posts: 135

2/25/13 8:03:56 PM#40

I thought I have read on this forum that there will be a free trial. I hope so. I have never played a FF game. I would like to try it out and am a big believer in sub based games promoting a better community.

I will not try it blindly though. I am not just throwing my money at SE hoping that I will like the product.

A free trial would be perfect.

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