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  JimmyYO

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OP  2/25/13 2:03:42 PM#41
Originally posted by asmkm22

Sad but true.  I've rarely been a "hardcore" player, but I've pretty much played a year or so of each expansion plus vanilla, and it always seemed like it was getting better, more polished, and more refined each time.  Cataclysm was a disappoinment, but I think it had more to do with losing the nestalgia of the original Azeroth than the game changes.

MoP just feels like a different game entirely, and not in a good way.  The over-simplification of nearly everything in the game is the real problem.  Talents are gone and, since you never have to head back to your trainer to get new skills, you can easily go 4 or 5 levels without feeling any sense of accomplishment.  Pretty much every instance, old and new, is now incredibly streamlines, so that it's basically a matter of clearing one or two smallish rooms of trash, then a boss, rinse and repeat twice.  Raids are just weekly free-loot rides, especially since they're all now tuned to have simple enough mechanics that 40 random people can handle with no real communication.

The humor of the game has gone really overboard as well.  Blizzard used to have a witty sense of humor in it's games, with most things being wink-wink-nudge-nudge kinds of easter eggs or the occasional laugh out loud quest text.  Starting with Cataclysm, the humor just became a paradoy of itself (dedicating half a zone to being a Rambo parody?).  The torch was passed on to Myst, and boy does it run with it.  First instance I get into and I'm fighting a giant easter bunny that summons hordes of baby bunnies, complete with comically large carrots and everything...

Anyway, I don't know for sure if the game has truly changed as much as I think, or if I've just outgrown it (started playing at 21, now 31).  Probably a little bit of both. 

Yep, maybe some of the fanatic fanboys in this thread are to blame for how downhill the game has gone? It paints an unrealistic picture of how amazing the game is and the devs go on thinking they've done everything right despite MoP being the lowest reviewed expansion to date. Sometimes the screaming fans are even louder then the official reviews. This thread is living proof.

  RefMinor

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2/25/13 2:03:45 PM#42
Originally posted by koljane
I could point lot of things I don`t like in other games but that would be my personal experience and point of view.

 

Isn't that the whole point of posting things in a forum, to express your view.

  Sephiroso

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2/25/13 2:06:10 PM#43
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by koljane
I could point lot of things I don`t like in other games but that would be my personal experience and point of view.

 

Isn't that the whole point of posting things in a forum, to express your view.

the point of posting things in a forum is about conversation. having an actual conversation where you want to hear the other side and have a debate about shit. it's not about listing every negative thing you found(or heard) in a game and expect that to be the end of the story.


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  JimmyYO

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OP  2/25/13 2:06:32 PM#44
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by JimmyYO
Originally posted by Nadia

im not saying you are wrong in your descriptions and your disappointments

 

but I think its shortsighted to think that everyone will have the same disappointments

I'm not blindly expecting to be agreed with I presented a case for why I believe MoP is awful. If you want to fanboy the game at least be honest about it instead of trying to do it "incognito" like you are now.

I'm not being incognito

ive stated many times on this site my disappointments w Cata

 

I have not bought MOP yet because I expecting it to be more of the same, phasing and boring kill 10 quests

but until i personally try MOP -- I'm not going to harp on it

So just to be clear. You, who has never played MoP, are telling me, who actually gave MoP an honest try, not to judge the game?

  emperorwings

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2/25/13 2:08:22 PM#45
But we can play Farmville and Pokemon on the side. And... cheesy pandas. I actualy don't mind the theme or the race once I got used to it it's jus the combat super easy pve and either your 1 shotting everyone in pvp or getting one shot yourself. Rading is fine though.

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  Dogblaster

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2/25/13 2:08:46 PM#46
Originally posted by JimmyYO

So I've been throughly disappointed with how crappy every MMO in the past decade has been so my friends managed to talk me into playing WoW yet again. MoP is easily the worst WoW expansion to date and frankly I'm shocked this hasn't killed the game off. Some personal reasons include:

-Questing was always boring in WoW but they went full retard in this expansion, making you wonder if the guy that makes quests also makes minimum wage. Virtually every quest hub in every area is: kill 10 mobs, help 10 people, pick up 10 items. I kid you not.

-Lack of design effort, every new area looks exactly the same or old zones with different hills.

-The new panda race is vomit inducingly cheesy. Asian themed pandas, they have cooking skill, they're martial artists, they're chubby. In case you somehow didn't make the connection it is a direct rip off of kung fu panda the movie. They're just missing jack blacks voice. Tragic

-Every new dungeon is a complete joke to complete. You know it's bad when you freshly hit 90 and the dungeons are easier on heroic then they were on normal. And they are afk worthy on normal so you do the math.

-I've played WoW for years during every expansion and I've never seen pvp as inbalanced as it is right now. Every class has a hundred cc's, they release patches every 6 months which leaves 3-4 classes to dominate for those months, pvp in general is much less fun because of this. Now keep in mind I'm aware pvp has always been a gimmick in this game but now it's full retard.

-They added farmville just in case you wanted to retain some pride in the game you play, not a chance.

-For the first time ever the game forces you to do daily quests forever because you need these reroll coin rewards to get more loot. Even pvp'ers have to do this to reroll on the pvp boss.....

-Even though the game doesn't look better it has higher system requirements, you can no longer play this on a toaster smoothly. Now the trade off would easily be worth it if there was a significant visual boost but i have yet to see it.

 

These are just off the top of my head but you get the picture. Don't give blizzard another cent like I did. With Diablo 3 into MoP they are losing they're ability to make a decent game. Square-Enix style

Man I didnt play MoP.. well I quit wow year and half ago BUT I totally believe you about everything here. I always saw wow going this direction.

  JimmyYO

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OP  2/25/13 2:09:41 PM#47
Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by koljane
I could point lot of things I don`t like in other games but that would be my personal experience and point of view.

 

Isn't that the whole point of posting things in a forum, to express your view.

the point of posting things in a forum is about conversation. having an actual conversation where you want to hear the other side and have a debate about shit. it's not about listing every negative thing you found(or heard) in a game and expect that to be the end of the story.

I gave reasons for my opinions, which is more then i can say for your disagreement.

  rojoArcueid

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"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

2/25/13 2:11:51 PM#48
Originally posted by JimmyYO
agree

its best to experience a mmo firsthand and not judge it on someone else experiences

 

You people are seriously on the wrong website then haha.

Why have reviews at all guys? That's just one persons opinion. It's much better to throw money and ask questions later because that's very intelligent to do in real life. Most people told me 2005 Kia SUV's break down often but that's not first hand experience, take my money Kia, take it now!

one man´s garbage is another´s treasure. Sharing your opinion with others about why the game doesnt cut it for you is very different than demanding others to not play it because just you dont like it. WoW is still the most polished and finished mmo to date. Like it or not, it still has flaws (including the daily grinds), but its still the most populated sub based mmo for 8 years in a row. I dont like subs, and i dont go everywhere telling everyone not to pay subs because i dont like it.

  Fuggly

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2/25/13 2:13:10 PM#49
Sorry, you lost me at World of Warcraft...........................

  Volenibblets

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2/25/13 2:13:36 PM#50

Good Lordy. Surely a few MoP preview gameplay vids on you tube should have told you all this Mr OP?

It's a great many years since wow has been worh a pish to anyone but the loyal Asian market as they do appear to be a hellofalot easier to please than us nitpicky westerners. Give em some cute upright animal avatars and a pokamon based collector theme and they'll sub till the cows come home.  

  Dogblaster

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2/25/13 2:14:12 PM#51
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by JimmyYO

-Every new dungeon is a complete joke to complete. You know it's bad when you freshly hit 90 and the dungeons are easier on heroic then they were on normal. And they are afk worthy on normal so you do the math.

Only thing worth commenting on....if you recall, they tried implementing slam your head on the desk hard Heroic 5 man dungons in Cata....the community flipped out....thus, the heroics are toned down, yet they added harder "Challenge Mode" versions of each.... At least know what you are talking about before raging.

Another pure example on why they have been so succefull for so long, they listen to their community and add content for everybody (casuals and hardcores alike)

SADLY most of the NA/EU are ''gimme everything for free'' players (fuuuu*k them). All the arguments, I have 10 kids, 20. 30 wifes and 50 dogs excuses are retarded ...I cant do raids 20x times a day to have competetive gear, I hate grind, I dont want to learn the encounter, I want it easy, bla bla .. BUT I DESERVES EVERYTHING like those who does have time and dedication because I am paying customer. Nice community we became, really ...

 

Whats the difference in hardcore and casual content in WoW in the past few years? I kinda remeber everyone having same gear in some point. OH .. forgot, maybe different colour

And even if there is any really HARD content atm, wait few weeks or months .. they dump it down again. All what wow is about now is giving hard content, dumping it down after 2-3 months so everyone can do them :) Normal ..

 

So ... yea, thats why I dont want to play anymore of these casual friendly mmorpgs.

  aSynchro

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2/25/13 2:17:49 PM#52

 

-Questing was always boring in WoW but they went full retard in this expansion, making you wonder if the guy that makes quests also makes minimum wage. Virtually every quest hub in every area is: kill 10 mobs, help 10 people, pick up 10 items. I kid you not.

Lie. Cataclism already bring to WoW lots of fresh ideas for quests but Pandaria is the expansion with the most various ones.  Of course you got lots of kills/help/pickup, but there are also tons of vehicule quests, quests where you have to hide&spy, or farm, or see a story through the eyes of someone else, or surf a shark, or race with a dragon, or bomb bugs à la Starship Trooper, or bring a elephant seal on a walk under the sea, or meditate with a monk in the forest etc etc.

Blizzard was intelligent enought to spread these unusual quests all over pandaria, plus lots of voice over and small cinematics to tell you more about the lore without boring you, so the questing flow is very smooth and interesting up to 90.

 

-Lack of design effort, every new area looks exactly the same or old zones with different hills.

What previous zones are similar to Valley of Eternal Blossom or Krasarang Wild or Valley of the Four Winds ?

 

-Every new dungeon is a complete joke to complete. You know it's bad when you freshly hit 90 and the dungeons are easier on heroic then they were on normal. And they are afk worthy on normal so you do the math.

And i bet you didn't even try the challenge modes ^^

Bronze is hard but doable with a good team. Silver requiere some more work. Gold... well good luck to get gold.

 

-For the first time ever the game forces you to do daily quests forever because you need these reroll coin rewards to get more loot. Even pvp'ers have to do this to reroll on the pvp boss.....

And ? Nothing force you to do that. It's an extra option for people with lots of time. 

 

-Even though the game doesn't look better it has higher system requirements, you can no longer play this on a toaster smoothly. Now the trade off would easily be worth it if there was a significant visual boost but i have yet to see it.

If you don't see the gfx difference between Jade Forest and Elwyn Forest, or between a pandaren and a human, you should see a doctor...

  JimmyYO

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OP  2/25/13 2:17:53 PM#53
Originally posted by Volenibblets

Good Lordy. Surely a few MoP preview gameplay vids on you tube should have told you all this Mr OP?

It's a great many years since wow has been worh a pish to anyone but the loyal Asian market as they do appear to be a hellofalot easier to please than us nitpicky westerners. Give em some cute upright animal avatars and a pokamon based collector theme and they'll sub till the cows come home.  

This is true, I knew better but i let friends talk me into it anyways. Part of the reason for this post, don't get fooled like I did.

  slickbizzle

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2/25/13 2:19:05 PM#54
Originally posted by JimmyYO

-Lack of design effort, every new area looks exactly the same or old zones with different hills.

 

I have to agree with that.  I played the 10 day trial and my brother flew me around to show me Pandaria.  I was amazed at how many times I was saying "That looks identical to storm peaks. That looks like an Icecrown area. That looks like...."   

 

 

 

 

 

  OgreRaper

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2/25/13 2:21:33 PM#55
They sent me a free 10 day trial for MoP. I have no interest in using it. Though admittedly I do check up on WoW every few months to see what the next patch will be. Which is usually just more of the same. Probably delusional of me, but I hope one day they shift their focus from crappy instanced PvP gear grinds to a more RvR open world type system. Maybe in a future X-pack.
  Jerek_

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2/25/13 2:30:46 PM#56

I had a lot of fun with MoP.  I think the new areas look great, I liked the theme of the expansion, and the quests were enjoyable.  If you like dailies or can at least tolerate them, the ones in this expansion range from simple and straightforward kill x mobs to unique quests, and they rotate often so you aren't doing the exact same content day after day.  So as far as daily quest experience its pretty good and I often found myself enjoying them, compared to dailies in swtor for example which I find so boring I can't stand them after 2 or 3 days.

I found the 5 man dungeons to be an improvement over cata's.  I usually don't play wow in a guild because I tend to come and go from the game a lot.  I get a lot of use from the lfg dungeons and raids and enjoyed both in MoP.  I didn't roll a panda character, didn't get into the farming or pet battles, and I never liked wow's version of pvp so I can't comment on any of that.  My opinion of MoP overall is that if you enjoyed wotlk and don't mindlessly hate pandas then you'd probably have a good time with MoP.

  rygard49

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2/25/13 2:35:01 PM#57
Originally posted by slickbizzle
Originally posted by JimmyYO

-Lack of design effort, every new area looks exactly the same or old zones with different hills.

 

I have to agree with that.  I played the 10 day trial and my brother flew me around to show me Pandaria.  I was amazed at how many times I was saying "That looks identical to storm peaks. That looks like an Icecrown area. That looks like...."   

Nope.

Unless you're actually blind, in which case everything must look the same to you, and I'm so sorry. It must be terribly difficult for someone with your condition. I've got my fingers crossed that Science comes up with a solution for you, though, so hang in there buddy!

  JimmyYO

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OP  2/25/13 2:35:25 PM#58
Originally posted by aSynchro

 

-Questing was always boring in WoW but they went full retard in this expansion, making you wonder if the guy that makes quests also makes minimum wage. Virtually every quest hub in every area is: kill 10 mobs, help 10 people, pick up 10 items. I kid you not.

Lie. Cataclism already bring to WoW lots of fresh ideas for quests but Pandaria is the expansion with the most various ones.  Of course you got lots of kills/help/pickup, but there are also tons of vehicule quests, quests where you have to hide&spy, or farm, or see a story through the eyes of someone else, or surf a shark, or race with a dragon, or bomb bugs à la Starship Trooper, or bring a elephant seal on a walk under the sea, or meditate with a monk in the forest etc etc.

Blizzard was intelligent enought to spread these unusual quests all over pandaria, plus lots of voice over and small cinematics to tell you more about the lore without boring you, so the questing flow is very smooth and interesting up to 90.

 

-Lack of design effort, every new area looks exactly the same or old zones with different hills.

What previous zones are similar to Valley of Eternal Blossom or Krasarang Wild or Valley of the Four Winds ?

 

-Every new dungeon is a complete joke to complete. You know it's bad when you freshly hit 90 and the dungeons are easier on heroic then they were on normal. And they are afk worthy on normal so you do the math.

And i bet you didn't even try the challenge modes ^^

Bronze is hard but doable with a good team. Silver requiere some more work. Gold... well good luck to get gold.

 

-For the first time ever the game forces you to do daily quests forever because you need these reroll coin rewards to get more loot. Even pvp'ers have to do this to reroll on the pvp boss.....

And ? Nothing force you to do that. It's an extra option for people with lots of time. 

 

-Even though the game doesn't look better it has higher system requirements, you can no longer play this on a toaster smoothly. Now the trade off would easily be worth it if there was a significant visual boost but i have yet to see it.

If you don't see the gfx difference between Jade Forest and Elwyn Forest, or between a pandaren and a human, you should see a doctor...

*So every 20 quests of kill x, loot x, help x they throw in one different quest... and thats variety? Every company would love to have a fan so easy to please as you. All my friends in vent said the same thing as we leveled, "this is the most repetitve and boring leveling this game has ever been" and I'd have to agree.

*I'm not sure about your area choices to prove the game is unique, as Krasarang/Eternal Blossom/Four winds are some of the blandest areas in the expansion. Four Winds just looked like old Arathi Highlands and Nagrand's lovechild. Krasarang? You serious? It's just a dark green beach, are you even trying?

*Nice comparing non rehashed vanilla WoW to expansion 8 years later. Unfortunatly for you most people are comparing it to WoTLK and Cata in which case the "new Mop graphics" don't have a single leg to stand on, especially considering it somehow increased the system req's.

 

  darkhalf357x

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I'm only playing the role chosen for me. Who you supposed to be?

2/25/13 2:36:50 PM#59
Originally posted by JimmyYO
Originally posted by Nadia

im not saying you are wrong in your descriptions and your disappointments

 

but I think its shortsighted to think that everyone will have the same disappointments

 

I'm not blindly expecting to be agreed with I presented a case for why I believe MoP is awful. If you want to fanboy the game at least be honest about it instead of trying to do it "incognito" like you are now.

Please stop using the word 'fanboy' -- you are just perpetrating stupidity.   Second, you didn't present a case you presented your (slim) view of what you didnt like.  Thats not a case.

The bottom line is some people thoroughly enjoy the game, others do not, and there are some in between.

We get it.  You don't like, but saying others shouldnt try it is ignorant.

Think about it.

  uidCaustic

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2/25/13 2:36:56 PM#60
I found WoW to be boring.  A few million people disagree with me.  Make up your own mind.
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