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  Calerxes

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2/24/13 4:37:31 PM#41
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Calerxes
 DDO, LOTRO and Tera have done good f2p conversions, SOE and EA haven't. 

 

I *greatly* prefer EQ2 model to LOTRO.  LOTRO is straight up nickel and diming, and it spills over to subbers.  LOTRO makes SUBSCRIBERS pay for standard MMORPG features like the ablity to lock your level.  And they shove the cash shop down subscribers throats, with the core game UI having little buttons to click to buy instant travel to your quest giver.

I would rather not be able to wear gear i don't need than deal with having to pay a few bucks for almost everything and the constatnt reminders of the shop.  I like LOTRO but they go way too far with what they expect people to pay for.  

SoE model is perfect for people who like content but dont care if they can't over gear it. And unlike LOTRO, you can just sub and get everything you would expect from an MMORPG.

TERA model is a different story because the game is nowhere near as good as LOTRO or EQ2.  The better your game, the more you can rely on a F2P system designed to encourage people to sub like EQ2 or nickel and dime like LOTRO.  Games like Aion and TERA cant do that.

 

This is where we differ SOE and EA think f2p is all about trying to force you to sub to games that nobody wanted to sub to in the first place by restricting you at every turn, money caps, limited race and class options, hotbars, gear etc etc.. whereas Tera has gone fully f2p, DDO and LotRO give you the option to sub, you can buy or earn ingame TP to buy content from the shop.

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  Calerxes

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2/24/13 4:39:59 PM#42
Originally posted by Wraithone
Originally posted by Vindicar

Quit the traditionnal SOE bashing.

PS2 is a true F2P ( some would try to argue it is "somehow" P2W, only thing to remember is that you can access every single weapon and perk without spending a single coin) and is probably the best F2P ever released (in term of quality, and enjoyement provided).

Most ranters are those who didn't forgive SOE for their passed mistakes and those who can't play the game 'cuz of hardware issues.

As soon as they get rid of dear Old Smed, some of us might consider "moving on".  Until that time... ^^  PS2 isn't a bad game, all things considered (though it certainly has its share of "issues"...). But its all too typical of SOE's mentality.

 

How is that guy still in a job, its one failed game after another? though I suppose milking your existing playerbase is where the money is?

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  umcorian

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2/25/13 1:13:01 AM#43

I wanted to like PS2, but ... well, I'll just own it. The game is just completely unfun if you aren't very good and just starting out. Like War Z, you just get thrown to the wolves the second you log in and get mowed down. 

When you don't know the areas, don't know the ropes, aren't sure of the objectives and have no decent way to damage tanks and planes, you're just another player's epeen booster. Add to the fact 75% of the time, you don't know how someone killed you, where they were... and you don't even feel like you learn anything from dying. You just fall over dead, never getting any info that helps you improve.  

No thanks. This game got a pass from me within 4 hours of playing. 

  Varthander

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2/25/13 1:19:53 AM#44
Originally posted by umcorian

I wanted to like PS2, but ... well, I'll just own it. The game is just completely unfun if you aren't very good and just starting out. Like War Z, you just get thrown to the wolves the second you log in and get mowed down. 

When you don't know the areas, don't know the ropes, aren't sure of the objectives and have no decent way to damage tanks and planes, you're just another player's epeen booster. Add to the fact 75% of the time, you don't know how someone killed you, where they were... and you don't even feel like you learn anything from dying. You just fall over dead, never getting any info that helps you improve.  

No thanks. This game got a pass from me within 4 hours of playing. 

Some people find it hard to adapt to, and some people just feel like in any other FPS game and go with the flow, your case its just you didnt feel comfortable with it but still if you try some more time im sure you will end up liking it.

  bcbully

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2/25/13 1:23:54 AM#45
Originally posted by umcorian

I wanted to like PS2, but ... well, I'll just own it. The game is just completely unfun if you aren't very good and just starting out. Like War Z, you just get thrown to the wolves the second you log in and get mowed down. 

When you don't know the areas, don't know the ropes, aren't sure of the objectives and KNOW no decent way to damage tanks and planes, you're just another player's epeen booster. Add to the fact 75% of the time, you don't know how someone killed you, where they were... and you don't even feel like you learn anything from dying. You just fall over dead, never getting any info that helps you improve.  

No thanks. This game got a pass from me within 4 hours of playing. 

You sound like my son. "I did horrible at wrestling.. They had to keep teaching how to do the moves." Well son... You've never wrestled before...

 

fixed a part too.

 

  Dreamo84

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2/25/13 1:42:01 AM#46
Originally posted by Calerxes
Originally posted by Wraithone
Originally posted by Vindicar

Quit the traditionnal SOE bashing.

PS2 is a true F2P ( some would try to argue it is "somehow" P2W, only thing to remember is that you can access every single weapon and perk without spending a single coin) and is probably the best F2P ever released (in term of quality, and enjoyement provided).

Most ranters are those who didn't forgive SOE for their passed mistakes and those who can't play the game 'cuz of hardware issues.

As soon as they get rid of dear Old Smed, some of us might consider "moving on".  Until that time... ^^  PS2 isn't a bad game, all things considered (though it certainly has its share of "issues"...). But its all too typical of SOE's mentality.

 

How is that guy still in a job, its one failed game after another? though I suppose milking your existing playerbase is where the money is?

I think it's obvious that SoE is doing better than you think it is. But people on these forums think every game they don't like is a failed game. People even try to argue WoW is not making money anymore. You really can't judge the success of a game or company based on this website. Even Vanguard is still making money.

  Reklaw

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2/25/13 2:02:05 AM#47
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Deto123
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Vesavius

More proof that F2P isn't the magic solution to the industry's woes.

 

Seems a game that will struggle will struggle regardless. I would love to see some real and honest  figures as to just how 'F2P' games are doing across the board. It seems we are seeing just as much player loss with the model as we ever did with a sub.

I honestly don't think they are struggling, not really at all PS2 is cash machine. Hell I spent 40 on beta, and another 60 after launch. That's saying a lot. I'm just not a FPS person. I still pop in every now and then though.

I can t remeber where the article is, but apparently PS2 is making a killing.

 

I am sure that's the line and all, but mergers speak for themselves.

I don't actually doubt they are still making profit, but the shrinkage is plain to see.

Kinda logical that they merge servers.

For those who have been with MMORPG for a long time we already know for a fact that when a MMO is released it's smart to release with plenty of servers because most new released MMO's will want to have the most amount of players trying their game on release. Let's say after about 3 till 6 months about 50% of the release players might have left, still leaving a pretty large player base still playing, but spread among far to many servers, making some server feel as if the game is dying while other servers seem to be full.

Should game company's just sit and wait and holdon to all server till the complaints start coming in on forums about the game is dying, no one playes on my server anymore, or isn't it wise to gather all information from their servers and look at what and where merges are needed to make a few healthy servers, instead of having to many servers.

 

  Caldrin

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Joined: 10/02/04
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2/25/13 2:51:11 AM#48
started playing this again after a taking a few months off.. server seemed just as populated as before btu i guess im on one of the more popular servers.. Merging the servers that are not used as much cant be a bad thing..

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  uidCaustic

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2/25/13 9:52:16 AM#49
People still play this eh?
  Calerxes

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2/25/13 1:37:24 PM#50
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by Calerxes
Originally posted by Wraithone
Originally posted by Vindicar

Quit the traditionnal SOE bashing.

PS2 is a true F2P ( some would try to argue it is "somehow" P2W, only thing to remember is that you can access every single weapon and perk without spending a single coin) and is probably the best F2P ever released (in term of quality, and enjoyement provided).

Most ranters are those who didn't forgive SOE for their passed mistakes and those who can't play the game 'cuz of hardware issues.

As soon as they get rid of dear Old Smed, some of us might consider "moving on".  Until that time... ^^  PS2 isn't a bad game, all things considered (though it certainly has its share of "issues"...). But its all too typical of SOE's mentality.

 

How is that guy still in a job, its one failed game after another? though I suppose milking your existing playerbase is where the money is?

I think it's obvious that SoE is doing better than you think it is. But people on these forums think every game they don't like is a failed game. People even try to argue WoW is not making money anymore. You really can't judge the success of a game or company based on this website. Even Vanguard is still making money.

 

That point was covered in the rhetorical question. "though I suppose milking your existing playerbase is where the money is" I actually like EQ2 played for over 6 months many moons ago and go back from time to time same with Vanguard, I don't stay for various reasons but I have a fondness for both games I suppose thats why I question SOE's motives with their games.

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  umcorian

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2/25/13 10:52:25 PM#51
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by umcorian

I wanted to like PS2, but ... well, I'll just own it. The game is just completely unfun if you aren't very good and just starting out. Like War Z, you just get thrown to the wolves the second you log in and get mowed down. 

When you don't know the areas, don't know the ropes, aren't sure of the objectives and KNOW no decent way to damage tanks and planes, you're just another player's epeen booster. Add to the fact 75% of the time, you don't know how someone killed you, where they were... and you don't even feel like you learn anything from dying. You just fall over dead, never getting any info that helps you improve.  

No thanks. This game got a pass from me within 4 hours of playing. 

You sound like my son. "I did horrible at wrestling.. They had to keep teaching how to do the moves." Well son... You've never wrestled before...

 

fixed a part too.

 

Your analogy doesn't work, because they actually made an effort to teach your son how to wrestle. PS2 does no such thing - they just throw you into the ring with no instruction and if you happened to get thrown next to an enemy tank, well, trololo.

If my son came to me and said: "Dad, they told me to jump in front of a moving car to get on the wrestling team, so I decided I'm not going to try out"... I'd tell him: "Well, son, I don't blame you. What a stupid ****ing game that is." 

And no, there is no decent way to take out tanks/planes as a newcomer. Until you spend certs, your only options are Heavy Assault Missiles that travel so slowly, they can be dodged by Helen Keler. 

  Vindicar

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Dun Mock meh engliesh !

2/26/13 2:25:31 AM#52

stop using analogys and metaphores as argumentations please. You can have them mean and say whatever you want and there is nothing as easy to twist... this isn't how big persons argue, this is how kids and teens do.

 

No offense, just sayin'

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  Wraithone

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2/26/13 9:00:24 AM#53
Originally posted by Vindicar

stop using analogys and metaphores as argumentations please. You can have them mean and say whatever you want and there is nothing as easy to twist... this isn't how big persons argue, this is how kids and teens do.

 

No offense, just sayin'

You forgot politicians and activists in your above list... ^^  PS2 does need a better early system, but its pretty much par for the course, in terms of FPS games.  Couple that with SOE being involved and the only wonder is that things aren't worse.

  Theocritus

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2/26/13 12:28:10 PM#54
PS2 feels like all the other shooters...More of an arena than a world and that just gets old really fast.....
  Loktofeit

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2/26/13 12:50:26 PM#55
Originally posted by Scarfe

Name a game that hasn't had or doesn't need server mergers.  Except those that started with too few.  

EVE Online

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