Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by steelwind
And what sandbox are we talking about that uses Hero?

the Repopulation is the only one I know of

And so far it looks pretty good even in alpha stage... well have to see how well it plays out though...

Originally posted by archeageking

One huge plus for elder scroll online, IT stayed away form hero engine.

unlike the other upcoming sandbox mmorpg.

Oh look. Another throw away post by this guy. If all you can think to say can be summed up in a couple of sentences, then in my opinion it isn't worthy of its own thread. Last time I'll be feeding this poster.

Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by Golelorn
This is not a sandbox MMO...

Thank god.

 

We don't need a game based on one of the most popular and lore rich IP's bastardized by making it something only about 47 people world wide would play.  Some sandbox elements are ok, but for the most part sandbox play is total shit!

Im not sure what you mean... and then when reading your signature I wonder if you have any clue of what you are saying too...

"If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!"

Sure the only universal definition of a sandbox is "non linear / open world" but I don't see the problem w/ poeples who wants theyr sandbox to be FFA-full-loot-open-pvp... This is just a "rule" and doesn't negationnate nor oppose itself to the concept of sandbox...

To stay on topic I'll agree with all the wait'n'see-ers and just wait and see !

Originally posted by Vindicar

Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by Golelorn
This is not a sandbox MMO...

Thank god.

 

We don't need a game based on one of the most popular and lore rich IP's bastardized by making it something only about 47 people world wide would play.  Some sandbox elements are ok, but for the most part sandbox play is total shit!

Im not sure what you mean... and then when reading your signature I wonder if you have any clue of what you are saying too...

"If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!"

Sure the only universal definition of a sandbox is "non linear / open world" but I don't see the problem w/ poeples who wants theyr sandbox to be FFA-full-loot-open-pvp... This is just a "rule" and doesn't negationnate nor oppose itself to the concept of sandbox...

 

To stay on topic I'll agree with all the wait'n'see-ers and just wait and see !

The sig represents what I want out of a Sandbox game.  I do not want a FFA PvP system, nor do I want any type of crafting where the best gear and loot is created by players.  This is huge to me as it removes the incentives for combat and PvE environments and it also ruins the suprise of finding that 1 in a million loot piece. 

I also put it this way because every single Sandbox MM ofeatures these systems and to think a Sandbox game must include them then you are wrong.

I come from a D&D based system where exploration and finding loot is what is most important to me.  If someone would create an MMO with a Diablo, Asheron's Call, Elder Scrolls and D&D combined systems I would be in heaven.

Originally posted by azzamasin

 

The sig represents what I want out of a Sandbox game.  I do not want a FFA PvP system, nor do I want any type of crafting where the best gear and loot is created by players.  This is huge to me as it removes the incentives for combat and PvE environments and it also ruins the suprise of finding that 1 in a million loot piece. 

 

I also put it this way because every single Sandbox MM ofeatures these systems and to think a Sandbox game must include them then you are wrong.

 

I come from a D&D based system where exploration and finding loot is what is most important to me.  If someone would create an MMO with a Diablo, Asheron's Call, Elder Scrolls and D&D combined systems I would be in heaven.

Not saying a sandbox MUST include those kind of PvP rulesets, just saying that you can't state that this is a trash idea ! It just doesn't appeal to you ! And liking it or not is all about the player... I like having the option to be an ass or to compete for PvE. To me "first downs" à la WoW means nothing. Competitive PvE is what I miss the most nowadays.

And I hear what you say about loot, Oh yeah believe me, I do. I dream of uniques items (read REALLY unique on one server/world/whatever) in my games too...

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Maelwydd

Originally posted by Golelorn
This is not a sandbox MMO...

It's also pushing the definition of a TES game...

same way WoW pushed the definition of a warcraft game.. just taking the existing game format isn't always the best way to make a MMO.. granted TES games has a much better foundation for an MMO than say the warcraft series...

Nothing wrong with adding to a 'game envelope'.

Massive problem with ripping out a core element to accomodate an addition...

Originally posted by timtrack
Stop the immature and uninformed bashing on Hero Engine. It has done nothing to deserve all the bad press. There is actually nothing wrong with Hero Engine. it's a tool. If you can't use the tool the result becomes bad, not the tool. Hammering a nail with a saw doesn't make the saw a bad tool.

The crowd you are referring to cannot separate root cause and consequent effect.

If one MMO using the Hero engine is crap - then the Hero engine must be crap, the devs must be crap, the game director must be an idiot and anyone saying otherwise must need lobotomising.

This is the usual way of things here timtrack.

Likewise if a game has PvP, it must be 'pure' and unsullied by PvE - and everyone who doesn't agree is a 'Carebear' who should go and play 'Hello Kitty'.

Sandbox must also be 'pure' and unsullied by 'themepark' elements...

... etc, etc...

Only rare voices call for hybrid concepts or make non-polarised arguments.

In this case therefore, it IS the 'tools' who are bad...

Well if we look at gameplay footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlEipFtHw7o

there is signs of hero engine in the graphical layout and presentation. The game needs a graphical overall needs Bloom great AA and displacement mapping  with higher res textures and better lighting ,lens flare and great shadows Fog shadows high densinty effects ambient occlusion and prob some form of motion blur. but asking all this froms teso... is too much reasons are well they only care about getting masses and not visuals

honestly they may be much work to do visualy but i has my doubts this game could be good if visuals are there i know graphics are not everything but ... elder scrolls games specialy skyrim are very nice visualy nothing from stoping them getting better visuals then skyrim it self... got rember skryim is blury and not  very well polished could imagine if they pushed the boundrys visualy? they could... infact make it look better then skyrim like a moded version utlizitng DX11. its not hard just make it scable? don't cater to DX9 only start with DX10 and have DX11 Counterpart there both very similar and most cases dx11 is easy upgrade from 10, and why cater to dx9 ?? its bacome a more obselete now XP and most people have DX 10+ GPU even intregated stuff from AMD and Intel support Dx11 and 10 so... most people now are on vista+ and i been told vista supports DX11 now so...