Trending Games | Landmark | Warhammer 40K: Eternal Crusade | Star Citizen | Guild Wars 2

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,920,277 Users Online:0
Games:760  Posts:6,311,210
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Ninja Anime Pirates Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings Era Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Redemption LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Grimrock 2 Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Oort Online Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Overwatch Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rail Nation Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Rebel Galaxy Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowgate Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Conflict Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Stormthrone Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Triad Wars Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Warflare Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warriors World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

News & Features Discussion  » [Dev Journal] Neverwinter: Get Everything You Want By Playing

8 Pages First « 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 » Search
142 posts found
  Burntvet

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2800

2/18/13 1:32:58 PM#121
Originally posted by Rohn
Originally posted by Lanessar
Originally posted by furbans

what I've seen is that you have to use Astral Diamonds in the game.

...but you also make a decent amount as a totally free player, at least, from my time in the beta. I earned at least 10K diamonds over the beta weekend, and I wasn't trying very hard.

What to ride the lvl 40 or lvl 60 mount?  Need to fork of Astral Diamonds.

The mounts for 40-60 cost gold (10g and 20g). If you want a 40-60 Nightmare mount, or a mount that looks like a tiger, then you pay AD. But a "level 3 mount" can be bought with in-game gold. I was at 20g by level 30 in the beta, waaay before I needed a L2 mount, so they aren't stingy.

Want to buy something off the AH?  Fork over some Astral Diamonds.

That's the currency for the AH. But you do realize you can stand in a field and hit CTRL-I and get 1500 AD, right?

Companion upgrades?  Astral Diamonds.

Upgrades get dropped in the world as well. And are also awarded as quest rewards. If you want a higher-ranked Rune, you can combine the ones you find as drops (no cost) into a higher-ranked Rune.

Want wome good quality gear?  Fork over some Astral Diamonds. (There are some seal/token vendors)

Or just earn it from questing. Or buy blues from a vendor for gold. Heck, a 20-minute instance run netted me gear better than what they were selling for AD for a level 20 cleric, that's for sure.

Want a new companion?  Give em some Astral Diamonds.

You get them for free from quests, don't have to pay anything for them. By level 30 I had gotten three, and you don't have to pay a single AD for them. 

 If you want a hawk, or an elemental, or a ghost companion, you pay AD. But a standard man-at-arms is just as good as an ele. So, again, pay AD for the skin.

 

Very well stated.  The "cost" of playing the game appears to be consistently exaggerated.  It appears that just about everything can be earned simply by playing the game.

 

Except that your ability to gain "refined" AD (the ones you actually spend) is gated by a daily limit. So, technically, yes... you don't "have to" buy anything from the store, but if you don't, you'll be waiting for an extremely long time getting that stuff. This is a typical F2P "scam" where if you don't pay, your gameplay will suffer immensely, due the inherent penalties of not paying. And make no mistake, the game was explicitly designed to be this way. And no, trying to buy that stuff in the AH for gold is not viable, either.
  grim1234

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/17/13
Posts: 5

2/18/13 3:09:48 PM#122
You all talk about Asrals - but what about Gold? What can you buy with Gold? I mean, does it even mean anything in the economy?
  User Deleted
2/18/13 3:10:53 PM#123
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Rohn
Originally posted by Lanessar
Originally posted by furbans

what I've seen is that you have to use Astral Diamonds in the game.

...but you also make a decent amount as a totally free player, at least, from my time in the beta. I earned at least 10K diamonds over the beta weekend, and I wasn't trying very hard.

What to ride the lvl 40 or lvl 60 mount?  Need to fork of Astral Diamonds.

The mounts for 40-60 cost gold (10g and 20g). If you want a 40-60 Nightmare mount, or a mount that looks like a tiger, then you pay AD. But a "level 3 mount" can be bought with in-game gold. I was at 20g by level 30 in the beta, waaay before I needed a L2 mount, so they aren't stingy.

Want to buy something off the AH?  Fork over some Astral Diamonds.

That's the currency for the AH. But you do realize you can stand in a field and hit CTRL-I and get 1500 AD, right?

Companion upgrades?  Astral Diamonds.

Upgrades get dropped in the world as well. And are also awarded as quest rewards. If you want a higher-ranked Rune, you can combine the ones you find as drops (no cost) into a higher-ranked Rune.

Want wome good quality gear?  Fork over some Astral Diamonds. (There are some seal/token vendors)

Or just earn it from questing. Or buy blues from a vendor for gold. Heck, a 20-minute instance run netted me gear better than what they were selling for AD for a level 20 cleric, that's for sure.

Want a new companion?  Give em some Astral Diamonds.

You get them for free from quests, don't have to pay anything for them. By level 30 I had gotten three, and you don't have to pay a single AD for them. 

 If you want a hawk, or an elemental, or a ghost companion, you pay AD. But a standard man-at-arms is just as good as an ele. So, again, pay AD for the skin.

 

Very well stated.  The "cost" of playing the game appears to be consistently exaggerated.  It appears that just about everything can be earned simply by playing the game.

 

Except that your ability to gain "refined" AD (the ones you actually spend) is gated by a daily limit. So, technically, yes... you don't "have to" buy anything from the store, but if you don't, you'll be waiting for an extremely long time getting that stuff. This is a typical F2P "scam" where if you don't pay, your gameplay will suffer immensely, due the inherent penalties of not paying. And make no mistake, the game was explicitly designed to be this way. And no, trying to buy that stuff in the AH for gold is not viable, either.

(sigh) Did you not read my post? Anything in the game can be gotten without AD. Anything. It might not be a black, on-fire something, or it may not be the exact something with a fancy glowy graphic that can be purchased with AD, but it's pretty darn similar.

I'm not going to bat for this game, I enjoy playing it but I'm not a fanboi. It has issues and things I don't like.

But implying "you can't buy things from the AH if you don't pay" or "you'll be waiting a long time to get something" isn't true. This depends upon what you want. And not upon what you need.

If you've just got to have some specific thing or specific look, that may be the case. But that's the "ooh, shiny!" scenario. You don't need that stuff to play the game or enjoy it. You're not missing something. It's just the difference of a rock-golem skin, or a guy with a sword and shield. They functionally work just as well as the ones you get from quests for free.

I have no issues with legitimate problems with their model, but saying you can't get a level 3 mount or good items or a companion without paying is false information.
  User Deleted
2/18/13 3:46:50 PM#124
Originally posted by grim1234
You all talk about Asrals - but what about Gold? What can you buy with Gold? I mean, does it even mean anything in the economy?
 

Gold gets you all the needed basics you want in the game. Mounts, blue items/gear, consumables (potions, skill items, healing).

 

Item mods are drop-only (mobs or chests, pretty frequent - I had at least 4-5 slots worth of mods by 30) or through the AH (AD only). Upgrading mods just required you to combine them (again, no AD cost).

Runestones (companion-specific mods) were quest-given and drops (and could be purchased on the AH for AD). I had 5 Runestones by Level 30 from questing.

 

That basically covers it. Most items you want to get at level 1-30 were from instances. These had some of the best stuff, honestly. I got a blue chest at level 17 that was good until level 28 compared to dropped gear, and it certainly outdid anything the AD vendor sold under level 34.

 
  Burntvet

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2800

2/18/13 3:47:16 PM#125
Originally posted by Lanessar
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Rohn
Originally posted by Lanessar
Originally posted by furbans

what I've seen is that you have to use Astral Diamonds in the game.

...but you also make a decent amount as a totally free player, at least, from my time in the beta. I earned at least 10K diamonds over the beta weekend, and I wasn't trying very hard.

What to ride the lvl 40 or lvl 60 mount?  Need to fork of Astral Diamonds.

The mounts for 40-60 cost gold (10g and 20g). If you want a 40-60 Nightmare mount, or a mount that looks like a tiger, then you pay AD. But a "level 3 mount" can be bought with in-game gold. I was at 20g by level 30 in the beta, waaay before I needed a L2 mount, so they aren't stingy.

Want to buy something off the AH?  Fork over some Astral Diamonds.

That's the currency for the AH. But you do realize you can stand in a field and hit CTRL-I and get 1500 AD, right?

Companion upgrades?  Astral Diamonds.

Upgrades get dropped in the world as well. And are also awarded as quest rewards. If you want a higher-ranked Rune, you can combine the ones you find as drops (no cost) into a higher-ranked Rune.

Want wome good quality gear?  Fork over some Astral Diamonds. (There are some seal/token vendors)

Or just earn it from questing. Or buy blues from a vendor for gold. Heck, a 20-minute instance run netted me gear better than what they were selling for AD for a level 20 cleric, that's for sure.

Want a new companion?  Give em some Astral Diamonds.

You get them for free from quests, don't have to pay anything for them. By level 30 I had gotten three, and you don't have to pay a single AD for them. 

 If you want a hawk, or an elemental, or a ghost companion, you pay AD. But a standard man-at-arms is just as good as an ele. So, again, pay AD for the skin.

 

Very well stated.  The "cost" of playing the game appears to be consistently exaggerated.  It appears that just about everything can be earned simply by playing the game.

 

Except that your ability to gain "refined" AD (the ones you actually spend) is gated by a daily limit. So, technically, yes... you don't "have to" buy anything from the store, but if you don't, you'll be waiting for an extremely long time getting that stuff. This is a typical F2P "scam" where if you don't pay, your gameplay will suffer immensely, due the inherent penalties of not paying. And make no mistake, the game was explicitly designed to be this way. And no, trying to buy that stuff in the AH for gold is not viable, either.

(sigh) Did you not read my post? Anything in the game can be gotten without AD. Anything. It might not be a black, on-fire something, or it may not be the exact something with a fancy glowy graphic that can be purchased with AD, but it's pretty darn similar.

I'm not going to bat for this game, I enjoy playing it but I'm not a fanboi. It has issues and things I don't like.

But implying "you can't buy things from the AH if you don't pay" or "you'll be waiting a long time to get something" isn't true. This depends upon what you want. And not upon what you need.

If you've just got to have some specific thing or specific look, that may be the case. But that's the "ooh, shiny!" scenario. You don't need that stuff to play the game or enjoy it. You're not missing something. It's just the difference of a rock-golem skin, or a guy with a sword and shield. They functionally work just as well as the ones you get from quests for free.

I have no issues with legitimate problems with their model, but saying you can't get a level 3 mount or good items or a companion without paying is false information.

 

Well, that's not "anything" then, now is it? And when the AH prices go nuts because of the farmers/bots, it will be even worse. The fact is that a good number of items will be cash shop only, by way of refined AD, and in game acquisition of that is purposely limited. The title of the thread and the blurb from the developers say "Get everything you want by playing." Well, the point is, unless you are willing to spend untold time grinding everything, that is not going to happen in any reasonable amount of time, unless you pay real money, which is the point (and whether or not "similar" items are available is irrelevant to your claims and those of the devs).
  User Deleted
2/18/13 3:55:20 PM#126
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Lanessar
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Rohn
Originally posted by Lanessar
Originally posted by furbans

what I've seen is that you have to use Astral Diamonds in the game.

...but you also make a decent amount as a totally free player, at least, from my time in the beta. I earned at least 10K diamonds over the beta weekend, and I wasn't trying very hard.

What to ride the lvl 40 or lvl 60 mount?  Need to fork of Astral Diamonds.

The mounts for 40-60 cost gold (10g and 20g). If you want a 40-60 Nightmare mount, or a mount that looks like a tiger, then you pay AD. But a "level 3 mount" can be bought with in-game gold. I was at 20g by level 30 in the beta, waaay before I needed a L2 mount, so they aren't stingy.

Want to buy something off the AH?  Fork over some Astral Diamonds.

That's the currency for the AH. But you do realize you can stand in a field and hit CTRL-I and get 1500 AD, right?

Companion upgrades?  Astral Diamonds.

Upgrades get dropped in the world as well. And are also awarded as quest rewards. If you want a higher-ranked Rune, you can combine the ones you find as drops (no cost) into a higher-ranked Rune.

Want wome good quality gear?  Fork over some Astral Diamonds. (There are some seal/token vendors)

Or just earn it from questing. Or buy blues from a vendor for gold. Heck, a 20-minute instance run netted me gear better than what they were selling for AD for a level 20 cleric, that's for sure.

Want a new companion?  Give em some Astral Diamonds.

You get them for free from quests, don't have to pay anything for them. By level 30 I had gotten three, and you don't have to pay a single AD for them. 

 If you want a hawk, or an elemental, or a ghost companion, you pay AD. But a standard man-at-arms is just as good as an ele. So, again, pay AD for the skin.

 

Very well stated.  The "cost" of playing the game appears to be consistently exaggerated.  It appears that just about everything can be earned simply by playing the game.

 

Except that your ability to gain "refined" AD (the ones you actually spend) is gated by a daily limit. So, technically, yes... you don't "have to" buy anything from the store, but if you don't, you'll be waiting for an extremely long time getting that stuff. This is a typical F2P "scam" where if you don't pay, your gameplay will suffer immensely, due the inherent penalties of not paying. And make no mistake, the game was explicitly designed to be this way. And no, trying to buy that stuff in the AH for gold is not viable, either.

(sigh) Did you not read my post? Anything in the game can be gotten without AD. Anything. It might not be a black, on-fire something, or it may not be the exact something with a fancy glowy graphic that can be purchased with AD, but it's pretty darn similar.

I'm not going to bat for this game, I enjoy playing it but I'm not a fanboi. It has issues and things I don't like.

But implying "you can't buy things from the AH if you don't pay" or "you'll be waiting a long time to get something" isn't true. This depends upon what you want. And not upon what you need.

If you've just got to have some specific thing or specific look, that may be the case. But that's the "ooh, shiny!" scenario. You don't need that stuff to play the game or enjoy it. You're not missing something. It's just the difference of a rock-golem skin, or a guy with a sword and shield. They functionally work just as well as the ones you get from quests for free.

I have no issues with legitimate problems with their model, but saying you can't get a level 3 mount or good items or a companion without paying is false information.

 

Well, that's not "anything" then, now is it? And when the AH prices go nuts because of the farmers/bots, it will be even worse. The fact is that a good number of items will be cash shop only, by way of refined AD, and in game acquisition of that is purposely limited. The title of the thread and the blurb from the developers say "Get everything you want by playing." Well, the point is, unless you are willing to spend untold time grinding everything, that is not going to happen in any reasonable amount of time, unless you pay real money, which is the point (and whether or not "similar" items are available is irrelevant to your claims and those of the devs claims).
 

Ok. Let's say it clearly then:

 

You want a flashy horse that goes 100% runspeed, and looks awesome, yes, you're paying. Be that time or money. It's all the same to me. If you want a non-flashy horse that goes 100% runspeed, you don't have to pay.

 

But calling it pay-to-win or a scam, being snarky on the model just because someone can't have something with a different skin... how do you expect them to make money? You want to save the grind, you can. As far as the economy, it's far too early to predict that at this point. CO and STO seem to do pretty well. We'll see.

 

Your comment seems to intimate that you literally cannot play the game without paying money; that's false. You will not be any wore off than someone who does pay - you will have companions, you will have a mount, all function just as well as a paying customer.

 

But if your gameplay "suffers immensely" because you don't have a fire elemental, but have to stick with the free mage (who function pretty much identically), then it seems further discourse with you is pretty useless.

 

It's certainly not P2W, it's not a scam. 

 
 
  User Deleted
2/18/13 3:58:15 PM#127
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Rohn
Originally posted by Lanessar
Originally posted by furbans

what I've seen is that you have to use Astral Diamonds in the game.

...but you also make a decent amount as a totally free player, at least, from my time in the beta. I earned at least 10K diamonds over the beta weekend, and I wasn't trying very hard.

What to ride the lvl 40 or lvl 60 mount?  Need to fork of Astral Diamonds.

The mounts for 40-60 cost gold (10g and 20g). If you want a 40-60 Nightmare mount, or a mount that looks like a tiger, then you pay AD. But a "level 3 mount" can be bought with in-game gold. I was at 20g by level 30 in the beta, waaay before I needed a L2 mount, so they aren't stingy.

Want to buy something off the AH?  Fork over some Astral Diamonds.

That's the currency for the AH. But you do realize you can stand in a field and hit CTRL-I and get 1500 AD, right?

Companion upgrades?  Astral Diamonds.

Upgrades get dropped in the world as well. And are also awarded as quest rewards. If you want a higher-ranked Rune, you can combine the ones you find as drops (no cost) into a higher-ranked Rune.

Want wome good quality gear?  Fork over some Astral Diamonds. (There are some seal/token vendors)

Or just earn it from questing. Or buy blues from a vendor for gold. Heck, a 20-minute instance run netted me gear better than what they were selling for AD for a level 20 cleric, that's for sure.

Want a new companion?  Give em some Astral Diamonds.

You get them for free from quests, don't have to pay anything for them. By level 30 I had gotten three, and you don't have to pay a single AD for them. 

 If you want a hawk, or an elemental, or a ghost companion, you pay AD. But a standard man-at-arms is just as good as an ele. So, again, pay AD for the skin.

 

Very well stated.  The "cost" of playing the game appears to be consistently exaggerated.  It appears that just about everything can be earned simply by playing the game.

 

Except that your ability to gain "refined" AD (the ones you actually spend) is gated by a daily limit. So, technically, yes... you don't "have to" buy anything from the store, but if you don't, you'll be waiting for an extremely long time getting that stuff. This is a typical F2P "scam" where if you don't pay, your gameplay will suffer immensely, due the inherent penalties of not paying. And make no mistake, the game was explicitly designed to be this way. And no, trying to buy that stuff in the AH for gold is not viable, either.

LOL @ extremely long. When comparing to games like GW2 where it literally will take you months to get up enough gold to actually buy something from the store, PW games are very much tame. This is a complete exaggeration of how their currency systems work in Cryptic games, take it from a lifetimer of STO. 

It generally takes me about a week to get 46k dilithium in STO to buy 500 Zen points in order to purchase things from the store (keep in mind this is with me skipping over things so I'm not playing ALL of the missions one would play to get the maximum amount of Dilithium per day). The in game stores are very different. The dilithium store is not the RMT store it's the in game second currency store, one can buy things one needs there as well (which it looks like the AD store will be like this). Very different then what you are suggesting.

Buying stuff for Gold is actually Viable because in STO it's the equivolent of Energy Credits which they use in their exchange. You can gear yourself very well in EC XII maxed gear from the drops others get from playing the max difficulty missions. It's not hard at all to get EC in STO all one has to do is explore missions (which are generally very easy and drop alot of useless resources).

I can understand having a problem with typical F2P models but this one is loads better then LOTRO and other games I've played that allowed for the conversion of in game earned currency to be used in their RMT store. You can actually get anything you want and it really doesn't take as long as people say. 

Another example of how this is not a bad system for comparison could be the Laurel system in GW2, if for example they leave it the way it is now (no retro) it will literally take you 16 months time to gather enough laurels to fully gear your character in all ascended gear infusions jewelry the works. PW games aren't this bad because they give you three options to purchase what you need, and if you don't want to go out and earn it and two options to earn the currency to use it for purchases. It does not feel like a grind at all, trust me I've played some games with seriously poorly designed economies before and STO is not it.

If NW is using STO's model there's nothing to worry about at all.

Keep in mind also, that PW changed STO's system when they took over. They added Dilithium as a currency and the dilithium store (non RMT) which one can use to purchase the items one needs, ALSO they added the reputation system (the best reputation system I've ever seen in any game) and they've added the fleet (guild) system where one builds upon the fleet with resources gathered from the gameplay and once one reaches a certain level with it the entire fleet can purchase some of the best gear in the game. I hope they add this system to NW.

  Illyssia

Novice Member

Joined: 8/10/09
Posts: 1525

2/18/13 4:04:20 PM#128

Just what' the hell's an Astral Diamond?

A type of currency used in-game to purchase gear and to bid in the auction house, Astral Diamonds 'are what we've dubbed a "time currency" (similar to Dilithium in Star Trek Online or Questionite inChampions Online). Typically, a player can earn Astral Diamonds by doing certain types of quests and missions. And, usually, this content is time limited so a player can only repeat this type of gameplay so often. In our Starter Packs, we provide players a treasure chest full of Astral Diamonds so their own epic tales can begin at a sprint.

 

This is just so Cryptic. Yes, you can pull out your two-handed sword with your Guardian and hack your way over many hours to a bounty of Astral Diamonds, or, you simply pull out your two-sided credit card  and you can plunder the Astral Diamonds in seconds from their epic cash shop. 

  User Deleted
2/18/13 4:08:57 PM#129
Originally posted by Illyssia

Just what' the hell's an Astral Diamond?

A type of currency used in-game to purchase gear and to bid in the auction house, Astral Diamonds 'are what we've dubbed a "time currency" (similar to Dilithium in Star Trek Online or Questionite inChampions Online). Typically, a player can earn Astral Diamonds by doing certain types of quests and missions. And, usually, this content is time limited so a player can only repeat this type of gameplay so often. In our Starter Packs, we provide players a treasure chest full of Astral Diamonds so their own epic tales can begin at a sprint.

 

This is just so Cryptic. Yes, you can pull out your two-handed sword with your Guardian and hack your way over many hours to a bounty of Astral Diamonds, or, you simply pull out your two-sided credit card  and you can plunder the Astral Diamonds in seconds from their epic cash shop. 

Actually PW is in charge of the monetization. I love it I play a little each week and get loads of currency to use for whatever I want in STO. Do it across two toons and you'll have all of what you need for one in no time. It's a great system. If you want it all right this second sure spend the money, but you don't have to, the game isn't designed to force you to do the hardest stuff and have to have the best ever gear in order to do said questing, nor is it designed to cutoff people from seeing content if you aren't geared like the elephant in the room, AHEM WoW and others like WoW.

Really baffled about why people are having a problem with this unless they're really just haters on anything F2P vs Sub.

  Illyssia

Novice Member

Joined: 8/10/09
Posts: 1525

2/18/13 4:19:51 PM#130
Originally posted by itgrowls
Actually PW is in charge of the monetization. I love it I play a little each week and get loads of currency to use for whatever I want in STO. Do it across two toons and you'll have all of what you need for one in no time. It's a great system. If you want it all right this second sure spend the money, but you don't have to, the game isn't designed to force you to do the hardest stuff and have to have the best ever gear in order to do said questing, nor is it designed to cutoff people from seeing content if you aren't geared like the elephant in the room, AHEM WoW and others like WoW.

Really baffled about why people are having a problem with this unless they're really just haters on anything F2P vs Sub.

 

 

The Cryptic/PW concept is simply that you can use the credit card to obviate the grind or time sink present somewhere or other in the game. Heaven forbid we could have F2P games minus a cash shop, though unless a F2P game actively patches in content fast then they are effectively generating sub level revenue from their gamer base minus the new content. Usually F2P cash shop games simply try to make money two ways, box or download purchase and then they nickel and dime you over convenience, say by cash shop purchase of fast access to extra inventory slots or by instant access to in-game item currency, or xp pots...t'is a dirty way to fleece thy gamer and ye game maste's of old with their 20-sided dices surely didn't do the same in D&D games..or did they?

 

 

 

  Bahamut231

Novice Member

Joined: 12/09/09
Posts: 50

2/25/13 12:06:40 AM#131

When he goes to say "i dont have to worry about geting subscriptions and only making a great game" that is a lie straight from the horses mouth

 

If anything its harder to make a f2p game that doesnt immediatly kill itself from the negative stigma that most f2p games get for being a pay 2 win games, you have to work even harder to make a game that still gives you enough revenue to stay afloat and add new content whill also not being pay 2 win, so many f2p's are forgotten and left to rot because they are pay 2 wins (Allods anyone?) VERY few f2p's get it right, where as p2p games are simple, make a amazing game and charge a small fee for it, WoW/Rift/EvE/GW2 all do this and are highly successfull

 

Doing f2p right is not easy, but it is easy to do it wrong

 
 
  Mercy.Killing

Novice Member

Joined: 2/28/13
Posts: 2

2/28/13 6:26:54 PM#132

Yeah........Mr. Emmert.

STO is more "successful" not because of anything Cryptic did or does...but because the Star Trek franchise comes built in with millions of fans, and if Cryptic owned the IP like it does in Champions Online, you can bet your bottom dollar that STO would be languishing in the same neglected state that CO is right at this moment. Underdeveloped, neglected, shortstaffed, and generally forgotten about. Thank God Cryptic has to answer to someone else(that isn't PWI, either) or STO would be dead too.

Also...about never having to pay to get things from the shop....Astral Diamonds convert to zen.....only if someone that PAID FOR the zen in the first place puts it up for conversion. I sincerely doubt that Cryptic or PW will fund Astral to Zen out of the goodness of their hearts. So in reality, the "never pay" system relies on SOMEONE paying....just not you. If nobody that plays this game when it comes out EVER wants to trade cash zen purchases for Astral Diamonds...you can bet dollars to donuts that no amount of gameplay will ever be able to enable a player to buy things in the store without forking out cash money.

So, that's a little white lie from Mr. Emmert. Well, two. Well, more if you count his promises about development, communication and other things in Champions Online and STO.

  Squeak69

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/21/13
Posts: 972

cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

2/28/13 6:31:34 PM#133
how anyone can trust anything that man syas i dont know

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.

  Burntvet

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2800

2/28/13 7:59:37 PM#134
Originally posted by Bahamut231

When he goes to say "i dont have to worry about geting subscriptions and only making a great game" that is a lie straight from the horses mouth

 

If anything its harder to make a f2p game that doesnt immediatly kill itself from the negative stigma that most f2p games get for being a pay 2 win games, you have to work even harder to make a game that still gives you enough revenue to stay afloat and add new content whill also not being pay 2 win, so many f2p's are forgotten and left to rot because they are pay 2 wins (Allods anyone?) VERY few f2p's get it right, where as p2p games are simple, make a amazing game and charge a small fee for it, WoW/Rift/EvE/GW2 all do this and are highly successfull

 

Doing f2p right is not easy, but it is easy to do it wrong

 
 

 

I see it as just the opposite. I think part of the reason that we old time MMO gamers think that the original MMO crop were better, is that: they were. Why? Because back then EVERY MMO was sub based, so you didn't have to worry about monetization models and content churn for your cash shop and build game mechanics around making people need to use the cash shop. Instead, you made the best game you could, in order to get those subs. Somewhere along the line, the F2P gimmick game mechanics became more important than building in those things that were actually fun.
  Torvaldr

Elite Member

Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 6101

3/01/13 2:01:41 AM#135
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Bahamut231

When he goes to say "i dont have to worry about geting subscriptions and only making a great game" that is a lie straight from the horses mouth

If anything its harder to make a f2p game that doesnt immediatly kill itself from the negative stigma that most f2p games get for being a pay 2 win games, you have to work even harder to make a game that still gives you enough revenue to stay afloat and add new content whill also not being pay 2 win, so many f2p's are forgotten and left to rot because they are pay 2 wins (Allods anyone?) VERY few f2p's get it right, where as p2p games are simple, make a amazing game and charge a small fee for it, WoW/Rift/EvE/GW2 all do this and are highly successfull

Doing f2p right is not easy, but it is easy to do it wrong

 
I see it as just the opposite. I think part of the reason that we old time MMO gamers think that the original MMO crop were better, is that: they were. Why? Because back then EVERY MMO was sub based, so you didn't have to worry about monetization models and content churn for your cash shop and build game mechanics around making people need to use the cash shop. Instead, you made the best game you could, in order to get those subs. Somewhere along the line, the F2P gimmick game mechanics became more important than building in those things that were actually fun.

Some old games were great, but let's be honest about them.  They had huge time sinks in place for the sole purpose of keeping you subbing longer.  It wasn't some golden paradise where they focused on developing gaming utoopia.  Patches and updates were much more sparse, but then again the sub was actually that.  I mean the sub paid for it all.  Now all the sub games pad that with a cash shop or rmt of some sort (time tokens, game cash conversions, micro-transactions, xpac and box fee sales, etc).

Even if a game offered the entire package for the sub fee again I don't think I want to rent temporary access to my games anymore.  I like being able to hop into any one of them when I feel like wthout having to pony up cash.

Curse you AquaScum!

  winter

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/08/03
Posts: 2274

3/03/13 9:38:55 AM#136
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Lanessar
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Rohn
Originally posted by Lanessar
Originally posted by furbans

what I've seen is that you have to use Astral Diamonds in the game.

...but you also make a decent amount as a totally free player, at least, from my time in the beta. I earned at least 10K diamonds over the beta weekend, and I wasn't trying very hard.

What to ride the lvl 40 or lvl 60 mount?  Need to fork of Astral Diamonds.

The mounts for 40-60 cost gold (10g and 20g). If you want a 40-60 Nightmare mount, or a mount that looks like a tiger, then you pay AD. But a "level 3 mount" can be bought with in-game gold. I was at 20g by level 30 in the beta, waaay before I needed a L2 mount, so they aren't stingy.

Want to buy something off the AH?  Fork over some Astral Diamonds.

That's the currency for the AH. But you do realize you can stand in a field and hit CTRL-I and get 1500 AD, right?

Companion upgrades?  Astral Diamonds.

Upgrades get dropped in the world as well. And are also awarded as quest rewards. If you want a higher-ranked Rune, you can combine the ones you find as drops (no cost) into a higher-ranked Rune.

Want wome good quality gear?  Fork over some Astral Diamonds. (There are some seal/token vendors)

Or just earn it from questing. Or buy blues from a vendor for gold. Heck, a 20-minute instance run netted me gear better than what they were selling for AD for a level 20 cleric, that's for sure.

Want a new companion?  Give em some Astral Diamonds.

You get them for free from quests, don't have to pay anything for them. By level 30 I had gotten three, and you don't have to pay a single AD for them. 

 If you want a hawk, or an elemental, or a ghost companion, you pay AD. But a standard man-at-arms is just as good as an ele. So, again, pay AD for the skin.

 

Very well stated.  The "cost" of playing the game appears to be consistently exaggerated.  It appears that just about everything can be earned simply by playing the game.

 

Except that your ability to gain "refined" AD (the ones you actually spend) is gated by a daily limit. So, technically, yes... you don't "have to" buy anything from the store, but if you don't, you'll be waiting for an extremely long time getting that stuff. This is a typical F2P "scam" where if you don't pay, your gameplay will suffer immensely, due the inherent penalties of not paying. And make no mistake, the game was explicitly designed to be this way. And no, trying to buy that stuff in the AH for gold is not viable, either.

(sigh) Did you not read my post? Anything in the game can be gotten without AD. Anything. It might not be a black, on-fire something, or it may not be the exact something with a fancy glowy graphic that can be purchased with AD, but it's pretty darn similar.

I'm not going to bat for this game, I enjoy playing it but I'm not a fanboi. It has issues and things I don't like.

But implying "you can't buy things from the AH if you don't pay" or "you'll be waiting a long time to get something" isn't true. This depends upon what you want. And not upon what you need.

If you've just got to have some specific thing or specific look, that may be the case. But that's the "ooh, shiny!" scenario. You don't need that stuff to play the game or enjoy it. You're not missing something. It's just the difference of a rock-golem skin, or a guy with a sword and shield. They functionally work just as well as the ones you get from quests for free.

I have no issues with legitimate problems with their model, but saying you can't get a level 3 mount or good items or a companion without paying is false information.

 

Well, that's not "anything" then, now is it? And when the AH prices go nuts because of the farmers/bots, it will be even worse. The fact is that a good number of items will be cash shop only, by way of refined AD, and in game acquisition of that is purposely limited. The title of the thread and the blurb from the developers say "Get everything you want by playing." Well, the point is, unless you are willing to spend untold time grinding everything, that is not going to happen in any reasonable amount of time, unless you pay real money, which is the point (and whether or not "similar" items are available is irrelevant to your claims and those of the devs).

 Wait aren't you one of those that posted in another thread that instant gratification was bad for games? Aren't you one of the old school EQ players where if you wanted something decent you had to grind raids and dungeons for weeks to get it? So your point now is you won't be able to get items easy enough in a F2P game.that you will have to grind Astral diamonds much like you had to grind raids and dugeons to get items bavck in EQ?.

  

  Aerowyn

Novice Member

Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

3/03/13 9:46:17 AM#137
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Bahamut231

When he goes to say "i dont have to worry about geting subscriptions and only making a great game" that is a lie straight from the horses mouth

If anything its harder to make a f2p game that doesnt immediatly kill itself from the negative stigma that most f2p games get for being a pay 2 win games, you have to work even harder to make a game that still gives you enough revenue to stay afloat and add new content whill also not being pay 2 win, so many f2p's are forgotten and left to rot because they are pay 2 wins (Allods anyone?) VERY few f2p's get it right, where as p2p games are simple, make a amazing game and charge a small fee for it, WoW/Rift/EvE/GW2 all do this and are highly successfull

Doing f2p right is not easy, but it is easy to do it wrong

 
I see it as just the opposite. I think part of the reason that we old time MMO gamers think that the original MMO crop were better, is that: they were. Why? Because back then EVERY MMO was sub based, so you didn't have to worry about monetization models and content churn for your cash shop and build game mechanics around making people need to use the cash shop. Instead, you made the best game you could, in order to get those subs. Somewhere along the line, the F2P gimmick game mechanics became more important than building in those things that were actually fun.

Some old games were great, but let's be honest about them.  They had huge time sinks in place for the sole purpose of keeping you subbing longer.  It wasn't some golden paradise where they focused on developing gaming utoopia.  Patches and updates were much more sparse, but then again the sub was actually that.  I mean the sub paid for it all.  Now all the sub games pad that with a cash shop or rmt of some sort (time tokens, game cash conversions, micro-transactions, xpac and box fee sales, etc).

Even if a game offered the entire package for the sub fee again I don't think I want to rent temporary access to my games anymore.  I like being able to hop into any one of them when I feel like wthout having to pony up cash.

yea i payed for numerous games over the years and it would be months upon months with not a single content patch.. just back then you didn't have the option as most all MMOs were sub based and you had a very small selection overall anyway.. i had fun in many older MMOs but i try not to get caught up in nastalgia and pretend some were something more than they were.. i thought FFV(or FF2 in US) on snes was the best game ever when it came out.. i have it now on my android phone and get bored after playing it for 10 minutes. People expect more these days as games evolve and progress, its mostly why I can't play many of the older games now. They feel clunky, outdated, and just not that much fun.. if this wasn't the case why not just play the old MMOs they are mostly all still going.

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  snapfusion

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/17/11
Posts: 976

3/03/13 9:51:16 AM#138

But as we all know, inflation and farmers are going to make this time sync unachievable for most people, only the full time 8 hour a day players are going to have the option to acquire everything without paying........allot more than 15 a month.

This is a just marketing spew.  Its no different then saying, hey everyone can become a millionaire all you have to do is get a million people to give you a dollar, now go get started!!!!!

  User Deleted
3/03/13 9:54:11 AM#139
Originally posted by snapfusion

But as we all know, inflation and farmers are going to make this time sync unachievable for most people, only the full time 8 hour a day players are going to have the option to acquire everything without paying........allot more than 15 a month.

This is a just marketing spew.  Its no different then saying, hey everyone can become a millionaire all you have to do is get a million people to give you a dollar, now go get started!!!!!

Go on to Star Trek Online, check the dilithium exchange, check the daily limit on refining dilithium (which you can max pretty easily if you know what you're doing) and then check back, I'll have your ass on a platter waiting (sorry but such ignorance deserves nothing more).

  Torvaldr

Elite Member

Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 6101

3/03/13 11:03:09 AM#140
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Torvaldr

Some old games were great, but let's be honest about them.  They had huge time sinks in place for the sole purpose of keeping you subbing longer.  It wasn't some golden paradise where they focused on developing gaming utoopia.  Patches and updates were much more sparse, but then again the sub was actually that.  I mean the sub paid for it all.  Now all the sub games pad that with a cash shop or rmt of some sort (time tokens, game cash conversions, micro-transactions, xpac and box fee sales, etc).

Even if a game offered the entire package for the sub fee again I don't think I want to rent temporary access to my games anymore.  I like being able to hop into any one of them when I feel like wthout having to pony up cash.

yea i payed for numerous games over the years and it would be months upon months with not a single content patch.. just back then you didn't have the option as most all MMOs were sub based and you had a very small selection overall anyway.. i had fun in many older MMOs but i try not to get caught up in nastalgia and pretend some were something more than they were.. i thought FFV(or FF2 in US) on snes was the best game ever when it came out.. i have it now on my android phone and get bored after playing it for 10 minutes. People expect more these days as games evolve and progress, its mostly why I can't play many of the older games now. They feel clunky, outdated, and just not that much fun.. if this wasn't the case why not just play the old MMOs they are mostly all still going.

Yep, me too (except the Android thing).  The part I highlighted in orange stands out to me most.  Those who so often wax nostalgic always seem to come up with an excuse as to why they won't play the old games now.  What I hear most often is that the game patched in some way that "ruined" it fo them.  There is ToA, Trammel, NGE, or some other infamous patch or update that "dumbed down the game to make it a WoW clone".

Do those people really think that if their vanilla version of a game launched today it would fly?  Worse yet are those who think their hand-picked set of changes would have revitalized the game.

I think that all games eventually do "just end".  At some point you've done about all you're going to do and it will be time to move on.  They're a lot like tv shows in that regard.  Even the longest running shows like Dr. Who have to reinvent themselves periodically or they stale.

Curse you AquaScum!

8 Pages First « 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 » Search