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  Snowdon_Cloudripper

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2/24/13 8:24:48 PM#21
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DarknessReign
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DarknessReign
I LOVE the B2P player there so smart that they can in one month spend anywhere from 20$ up to 200$ just for gear that in 2 weeks you wont use , or items , or buy gold . Where a Smarter player LOVES Sub fee . Its always the same fee and you can have ANYTHING in game at anytime you just have to go get it. Its the difference really in the entitled person who thinks ill just buy it and its mine . And the Hard working person who says i cant wait to go get this gear , hope the fight is epic and that person earns there gear. A B2P player will spend more in a year then a Sub Player.  That or there to cheep to buy anything and just want to play the game for free because there cheap . Now back to the OP statment i think FFXIV:ARR will have a run for its money Vs Elder Scrolls Online just sayin

odd as most sub games I have played still offered exclusive items you were required to spend money on if you wanted them.. usually always cosmetic but still... don't even want to think on how much a spent on wow and just server transfers

The difference is your talking WoW this is FF and Square Enix not Blizzard. I do not remember FFXI having to buy anything extra at all . Other then Exp. Packs .

doesn't FFXI have battle area add-ons and add-on scenarios that require money to play on TOP of the expansions and the sub fee?

yes but i concider them Exp. Packs you pay to buy the Pack thats it, you still have to do the missions in the pack nothing is givin to you.

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  Aerowyn

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2/24/13 8:28:56 PM#22
Originally posted by DarknessReign
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DarknessReign
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DarknessReign
I LOVE the B2P player there so smart that they can in one month spend anywhere from 20$ up to 200$ just for gear that in 2 weeks you wont use , or items , or buy gold . Where a Smarter player LOVES Sub fee . Its always the same fee and you can have ANYTHING in game at anytime you just have to go get it. Its the difference really in the entitled person who thinks ill just buy it and its mine . And the Hard working person who says i cant wait to go get this gear , hope the fight is epic and that person earns there gear. A B2P player will spend more in a year then a Sub Player.  That or there to cheep to buy anything and just want to play the game for free because there cheap . Now back to the OP statment i think FFXIV:ARR will have a run for its money Vs Elder Scrolls Online just sayin

odd as most sub games I have played still offered exclusive items you were required to spend money on if you wanted them.. usually always cosmetic but still... don't even want to think on how much a spent on wow and just server transfers

The difference is your talking WoW this is FF and Square Enix not Blizzard. I do not remember FFXI having to buy anything extra at all . Other then Exp. Packs .

doesn't FFXI have battle area add-ons and add-on scenarios that require money to play on TOP of the expansions and the sub fee?

yes but i concider them Exp. Packs you pay to buy the Pack thats it, you still have to do the missions in the pack nothing is givin to you.

yes but its still extra content they are putting out and requiring you to pay for.. i understand full expansions but mission packs? for a B2P game I understand but why on a monthly sub game? 

again i don't mind at all paying monthly for a MMO but i'm not going to pretend P2P games haven't been playing the nickel and dime game on its subscribers.

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  User Deleted
2/24/13 8:31:06 PM#23
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DarknessReign
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DarknessReign
I LOVE the B2P player there so smart that they can in one month spend anywhere from 20$ up to 200$ just for gear that in 2 weeks you wont use , or items , or buy gold . Where a Smarter player LOVES Sub fee . Its always the same fee and you can have ANYTHING in game at anytime you just have to go get it. Its the difference really in the entitled person who thinks ill just buy it and its mine . And the Hard working person who says i cant wait to go get this gear , hope the fight is epic and that person earns there gear. A B2P player will spend more in a year then a Sub Player.  That or there to cheep to buy anything and just want to play the game for free because there cheap . Now back to the OP statment i think FFXIV:ARR will have a run for its money Vs Elder Scrolls Online just sayin

odd as most sub games I have played still offered exclusive items you were required to spend money on if you wanted them.. usually always cosmetic but still... don't even want to think on how much a spent on wow and just server transfers

The difference is your talking WoW this is FF and Square Enix not Blizzard. I do not remember FFXI having to buy anything extra at all . Other then Exp. Packs .

doesn't FFXI have battle area add-ons and add-on scenarios that require money to play on TOP of the expansions and the sub fee?

i don't mind paying a monthly sub for games personally but I'm not going to pretend P2P games haven't been playing the  nickel and dime game on its players since... forever..

They're Adventure Packs, basically mini-expansions with a single, focused storyline. New battles, storylines, cut-scenes, boss fights, items, etc.

I think SE was experimenting with the idea of releasing things in smaller chunks for like $10 or $15 or whatever, rather than producing these massive expansions that then sell for $40 or whatever. Same with Abyssea, which brought with it quite a bit of new content, story arcs, areas, mobs, items, etc.  They've experimented with a lot of different things with XI. Some have taken hold, some haven't. I don't  think the adventure packs did, really.

They aren't the same as cash shop items, though, and nowhere are they regarded as such. They're listed right in with FFXI's various full expansion packs.

I see that in a subsequent post, you indicate that, to you, they should just be included as part of a sub-based game. Thing is, that's your personal perspective on it based on how you choose to perceive it. That doesn't automatically make it "cash shop items". They're considered in the same category as expansions, just on a smaller scale.

Cash shop sales revolve around buying individual items, or stacks of items (potions, etc). They don't revolve around buying entire stand-alone adventures.

Also, you note having to pay for server transfers with Blizzard. Those would be considered character or account services, same as a character name change. You just get your data changed from one server to another and/or have your name changed in their character database. There's no items or anything that you receive from that; nothing that your character can use, etc. 

 

 

  Zeblade

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2/24/13 8:33:29 PM#24
I know beta starts but when is it launching..again?
  Snowdon_Cloudripper

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2/24/13 8:36:25 PM#25
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DarknessReign
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DarknessReign
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DarknessReign
I LOVE the B2P player there so smart that they can in one month spend anywhere from 20$ up to 200$ just for gear that in 2 weeks you wont use , or items , or buy gold . Where a Smarter player LOVES Sub fee . Its always the same fee and you can have ANYTHING in game at anytime you just have to go get it. Its the difference really in the entitled person who thinks ill just buy it and its mine . And the Hard working person who says i cant wait to go get this gear , hope the fight is epic and that person earns there gear. A B2P player will spend more in a year then a Sub Player.  That or there to cheep to buy anything and just want to play the game for free because there cheap . Now back to the OP statment i think FFXIV:ARR will have a run for its money Vs Elder Scrolls Online just sayin

odd as most sub games I have played still offered exclusive items you were required to spend money on if you wanted them.. usually always cosmetic but still... don't even want to think on how much a spent on wow and just server transfers

The difference is your talking WoW this is FF and Square Enix not Blizzard. I do not remember FFXI having to buy anything extra at all . Other then Exp. Packs .

doesn't FFXI have battle area add-ons and add-on scenarios that require money to play on TOP of the expansions and the sub fee?

yes but i concider them Exp. Packs you pay to buy the Pack thats it, you still have to do the missions in the pack nothing is givin to you.

yes but its still extra content they are putting out and requiring you to pay for.. i understand full expansions but mission packs? for a B2P game I understand but why on a monthly sub game? 

again i don't mind at all paying monthly for a MMO but i'm not going to pretend P2P games haven't been playing the nickel and dime game on its subscribers.

example this is one of the Packs your talking about a crystalline prophecy this is the mission http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ELJdy39WM it cost you an extra 10$ there were 3 stories to the set so 30 $ about the price of a Exp. Pack then after you start doing missions you fight a boss http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0ymEPFe36w (not the music) so to me it was a exp. pack depends on how you think about it i guess

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  Aerowyn

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2/24/13 8:41:30 PM#26
Originally posted by DarknessReign
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DarknessReign
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DarknessReign
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by DarknessReign
I LOVE the B2P player there so smart that they can in one month spend anywhere from 20$ up to 200$ just for gear that in 2 weeks you wont use , or items , or buy gold . Where a Smarter player LOVES Sub fee . Its always the same fee and you can have ANYTHING in game at anytime you just have to go get it. Its the difference really in the entitled person who thinks ill just buy it and its mine . And the Hard working person who says i cant wait to go get this gear , hope the fight is epic and that person earns there gear. A B2P player will spend more in a year then a Sub Player.  That or there to cheep to buy anything and just want to play the game for free because there cheap . Now back to the OP statment i think FFXIV:ARR will have a run for its money Vs Elder Scrolls Online just sayin

odd as most sub games I have played still offered exclusive items you were required to spend money on if you wanted them.. usually always cosmetic but still... don't even want to think on how much a spent on wow and just server transfers

The difference is your talking WoW this is FF and Square Enix not Blizzard. I do not remember FFXI having to buy anything extra at all . Other then Exp. Packs .

doesn't FFXI have battle area add-ons and add-on scenarios that require money to play on TOP of the expansions and the sub fee?

yes but i concider them Exp. Packs you pay to buy the Pack thats it, you still have to do the missions in the pack nothing is givin to you.

yes but its still extra content they are putting out and requiring you to pay for.. i understand full expansions but mission packs? for a B2P game I understand but why on a monthly sub game? 

again i don't mind at all paying monthly for a MMO but i'm not going to pretend P2P games haven't been playing the nickel and dime game on its subscribers.

example this is one of the Packs your talking about a crystalline prophecy this is the mission http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ELJdy39WM it cost you an extra 10$ there were 3 stories to the set so 30 $ about the price of a Exp. Pack then after you start doing missions you fight a boss http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0ymEPFe36w (not the music) so to me it was a exp. pack depends on how you think about it i guess

here's another question.. why in a P2P game should a subscriber have to pay for an expansion pack at all? i played runes of magic for awhile and got all 3 expansions from them for free and never spent a dime for that game.. all I'm saying is P2P is fine I like it as it does tend to attract less asshats overall but Sub based games have been charging an arm and a leg for various services and add-ons I think should be included in the sub fee..

but no clue how FFXIV RR will work or what "extras" they will be selling.. guess well have to wait and see

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  User Deleted
2/24/13 8:49:24 PM#27
Originally posted by Aerowyn
 

here's another question.. why in a P2P game should a subscriber have to pay for an expansion pack at all? i played runes of magic for awhile and got all 3 expansions from them for free and never spent a dime for that game.. all I'm saying is P2P is fine I like it as it does tend to attract less asshats overall but Sub based games have been charging an arm and a leg for various services and add-ons I think should be included in the sub fee..

but no clue how FFXIV RR will work or what "extras" they will be selling.. guess well have to wait and see

Because Runes of Magic is a F2P MMO with a cash shop that makes potentially far more than a flat sub-based MMO does.  They don't charge a box fee or a subscription either.

They get their money through people spending inordinate amounts of $$$ in the cash shop. Completely different revenue model.

The flip-side to that being, of course, that you end up playing a game whose design is riddled with design choices specifically intended to try and coerce or entice people to use the cash shop as often as possible. Some can "resist" it. Many don't.

  Aethaeryn

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2/24/13 8:50:17 PM#28
Originally posted by kartana

No.

Reason: Subscription Model

IT would make more more likely to play.

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  User Deleted
2/24/13 8:52:34 PM#29
Originally posted by Aethaeryn
Originally posted by kartana

No.

Reason: Subscription Model

IT would make more more likely to play.

And indeed, it has already with 1.x0.

When they reinstated subs with 1.x, more people actually came back to the game to play it. It was busier in its last leg with subs active than it ever was during it's "free" period.

At the end of the day, no matter what anyone argues or how they try to spin it, people will pay for something if they find it worth the money. Subscription or otherwise.

  ozerinx

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2/24/13 8:53:52 PM#30

to be honest those people that are complaining about combat... look at 90% of the childhood games you played. Was it turned base or was it action combat? Yet, we stuck to those game and still remember becasue of their story. 

It was never the combat systems in games that drew the original gamers in. Action combat are meant for the players that felt /autoattack f1f2f3f4f5 is too easy but to be honest. When I played Tera and did Queens and etc. I felt like it was the exact same just now instead of "tab-targeting" I am facing the guy I am fighting which to be honest is not much harder once you get used to it. 

 

The reason I am hoping that ff14 arr succeeds is becasue of the content that it is saying it will have to offer. I don't want to play a game where the end game is all raids/dungeons. The only downfall to the game I would see is if the "things they said they are going to offer" is no where near the level it should be at. Not because of some combat system. 

  Ghavrigg

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2/24/13 8:54:02 PM#31

The decision for 2013 seems to come down to: FFXIV: ARR, Neverwinter, and TESO, and to be honest, FFXIV looks to be the best of the bunch. I am glad they're sticking to their guns in regards to a subscription model rather than F2P garbage, and I truly hope it works out for them.

Same for TESO if it uses a subscription model. I don't know much about it.

  Aerowyn

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2/24/13 8:55:23 PM#32
Originally posted by Ghavrigg

The decision for 2013 seems to come down to: FFXIV: ARR, Neverwinter, and TESO, and to be honest, FFXIV looks to be the best of the bunch. I am glad they're sticking to their guns in regards to a subscription model rather than F2P garbage, and I truly hope it works out for them.

Same for TESO if it uses a subscription model. I don't know much about it.

forgot Wildstar and Archage those both should be big contenders this year as well

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Lustmord

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2/24/13 8:57:23 PM#33
Originally posted by Murugan

Subscription models do just fine at producing quality content.  Look at HBO.  In fact they do well because they are subscription based.  This frees them from having to cast a broad, cheap net, to lure in suckers.  People subscribe (or don't) because they like the game and the direction it is headed in.  There is not one single F2P or B2P game that is decent and going in a "good direction" (my opinion).

Speaking of broad, cheap nets..

I'm betting you've never watched The Newsroom..

  Ghavrigg

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2/24/13 8:57:53 PM#34
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Ghavrigg

The decision for 2013 seems to come down to: FFXIV: ARR, Neverwinter, and TESO, and to be honest, FFXIV looks to be the best of the bunch. I am glad they're sticking to their guns in regards to a subscription model rather than F2P garbage, and I truly hope it works out for them.

Same for TESO if it uses a subscription model. I don't know much about it.

forgot Wildstar and Archage those both should be big contenders this year as well

Ah, good call. They're both completely off the radar for me, but you're right, the hype train for them is well under way. So many choices!

  User Deleted
2/24/13 8:57:57 PM#35

Nah.

My bet is that it will be a safe standard fare that will appeal to both long term FF lore fans and WoW players looking for an identical game with upgraded graphics.

It lacks any significant innovation to be considered game of the year up against the already announced competition.

  klaphood

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2/24/13 8:58:12 PM#36

Completely agree to you two above evilastro! :)

 

I'm extremely thrilled for Neverwinter and can't wait, but my heart beats for XIV 2.0! <3

  Aerowyn

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2/24/13 9:01:15 PM#37
Originally posted by Ghavrigg
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Ghavrigg

The decision for 2013 seems to come down to: FFXIV: ARR, Neverwinter, and TESO, and to be honest, FFXIV looks to be the best of the bunch. I am glad they're sticking to their guns in regards to a subscription model rather than F2P garbage, and I truly hope it works out for them.

Same for TESO if it uses a subscription model. I don't know much about it.

forgot Wildstar and Archage those both should be big contenders this year as well

Ah, good call. They're both completely off the radar for me, but you're right, the hype train for them is well under way. So many choices!

yea this is looking to be a fun year.. also possibly blade & soul as well and the repopulation is well underway and could see a late 2013 release.. sooo many choices oh not to forget black desert online and star citizen(although thinking 2014 for these)

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  User Deleted
2/24/13 9:06:03 PM#38
Originally posted by klaphood

Completely agree to you two above evilastro! :)

 

I'm extremely thrilled for Neverwinter and can't wait, but my heart beats for XIV 2.0! <3

Oh don't get me wrong, I will be playing FFIV, but this isn't anything you haven't seen before. Neverwinter has a good shot at GOTY with the foundry.  If Archage gets released this year that will be a strong contender too.  TESO looks a bit too safe, but I guess the success of that game lies in the Realm vs Realm delivery.

  dreamscaper

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2/24/13 9:09:53 PM#39

P2P is a positive, not a negative. Others posters have explained why well, so I won't bother reiterating those reasons here.

 

I personally hope that FFXIV makes a huge splash, but not amazing. I want see the game popular enough to make plenty of profit for SE to continue their fantastic update pace, but not so popular that is pullls in the dregs of the fotm crowd that saturates games like Tera, Rift, GW2, etc.

<3

  st4t1ck

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2/24/13 9:15:25 PM#40

I agree with both sides,   if the game is worth it ill pay.  played 11 for years.  but games like WOW with box fee subscription fee, expansion fee, and cash shop are a little much for me.

 I played Aion for over a year, and was only charged box, and subscription.  free expantions.   But again, if the game is good ill pay the sub + expansions

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